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Ngalaka
#1041 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:07:36 AM
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sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?


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masukuma
#1042 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:20:30 AM
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sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, germans, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?

That was the data from Louisiana. it reflected on the DEATHS. Of course death in these cases has many factors some of which are environmental. Poor Diets, lack of exercise, immuno compomised systems or even poor health care systems. So it's not looking for "black" people but is hitting them worse than others because of systemic issues.
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sqft
#1043 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:27:06 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?




So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases?
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
wukan
#1044 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:32:54 AM
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masukuma wrote:

That was the data from Louisiana. it reflected on the DEATHS. Of course death in these cases has many factors some of which are environmental. Poor Diets, lack of exercise, immuno compomised systems or even poor health care systems. So it's not looking for "black" people but is hitting them worse than others because of systemic issues.


Applying the same matrix in Kenya we should be looking for the areas where people would be hit worse because of existing issues like HIV, bad environment and poor diets. That's where we should be distributing masks, sanitary facilities and dietary supplements.

Covid is plainly holding a mirror back at society going for weak links. Italy & Spain it was the burga burga parties and football matches.

Thanks @ngalaka very useful video
sqft
#1045 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:35:56 AM
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masukuma wrote:
sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, germans, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?

That was the data from Louisiana. it reflected on the DEATHS. Of course death in these cases has many factors some of which are environmental. Poor Diets, lack of exercise, immuno compomised systems or even poor health care systems. So it's not looking for "black" people but is hitting them worse than others because of systemic issues.


It started as a chinese disease, then became an iranian disease, then an old european mans disease, and now there is every attempt to make it a black mans burden to make the white man feel good.
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
Ngalaka
#1046 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:37:18 AM
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sqft wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?




So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases?

Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't too helpful.
Stats reveal various angles, and the above is just one of them.

The black community in the US, the the elite there, with a rich history of championing black welfare appreciate the fact and are calling for preaching remedial measures to the community as a matter of priority.

Not everything is a white vs black tussle - for crying out loud!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
sqft
#1047 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:55:37 AM
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wukan wrote:
masukuma wrote:

That was the data from Louisiana. it reflected on the DEATHS. Of course death in these cases has many factors some of which are environmental. Poor Diets, lack of exercise, immuno compomised systems or even poor health care systems. So it's not looking for "black" people but is hitting them worse than others because of systemic issues.


Applying the same matrix in Kenya we should be looking for the areas where people would be hit worse because of existing issues like HIV, bad environment and poor diets. That's where we should be distributing masks, sanitary facilities and dietary supplements.

Covid is plainly holding a mirror back at society going for weak links. Italy & Spain it was the burga burga parties and football matches.

Thanks @ngalaka very useful video


So how many blacks are in japan?

Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
sqft
#1048 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 12:48:55 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?


[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll3HCx7Yc7c/YOUTUBE]


So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases?

Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't too helpful.
Stats reveal various angles, and the above is just one of them.

The black community in the US, the the elite there, with a rich history of championing black welfare appreciate the fact and are calling for preaching remedial measures to the community as a matter of priority.

Not everything is a white vs black tussle - for crying out loud!


What they should be telling us is that communicable diseases such as corona, flu etc, are more likely to spread at higher rates where people live in higher density areas such as inner cities, than in the outer suburbs and rural areas. This is true whether you live in japan, china, italy, UK, Kenya etc. The higher rates for blacks and ethnic minorities in the US is only because they are more likely to be living in the inner city than in low density suburbs or rural areas. It has nothing to do with being blackamerican by race. Anyone living in a high rise apartment or ghetto anywhere in the world from madrid, NY, london, mumbai, Tokyo, wuhan to nairobi is more likely to be infected than someone living isolated in an outer suburb or rural area. #Epidemiology 101.

May be what those blacks on TV should be advocating for is land/housing reform since for many years blacks could not own land (or homes) in rural areas or suburbs due to discrimination and that is how they ended up in the crowded inner cities.
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
Ngalaka
#1049 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 2:06:03 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
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sqft wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?


[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll3HCx7Yc7c/YOUTUBE]


So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases?

Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't too helpful.
Stats reveal various angles, and the above is just one of them.

The black community in the US, the the elite there, with a rich history of championing black welfare appreciate the fact and are calling for preaching remedial measures to the community as a matter of priority.

Not everything is a white vs black tussle - for crying out loud!


What they should be telling us is that communicable diseases such as corona, flu etc, are more likely to spread at higher rates where people live in higher density areas such as inner cities, than in the outer suburbs and rural areas. This is true whether you live in japan, china, italy, UK, Kenya etc. The higher rates for blacks and ethnic minorities in the US is only because they are more likely to be living in the inner city than in low density suburbs or rural areas. It has nothing to do with being blackamerican by race. Anyone living in a high rise apartment or ghetto anywhere in the world from madrid, NY, london, mumbai, Tokyo, wuhan to nairobi is more likely to be infected than someone living isolated in an outer suburb or rural area. #Epidemiology 101.

May be what those blacks on TV should be advocating for is land/housing reform since for many years blacks could not own land (or homes) in rural areas or suburbs due to discrimination and that is how they ended up in the crowded inner cities.


Now you are talking brother.

It’s about data, facts, then doing what needs to be done to forestall the situation as a matter of urgency.

Why things are the way they are is a different matter which I agree is deserving of attention and has indeed been in their conversations.
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mpobiz
#1050 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 2:26:37 PM
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sqft wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?


[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll3HCx7Yc7c/YOUTUBE]


So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases?

Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't too helpful.
Stats reveal various angles, and the above is just one of them.

The black community in the US, the the elite there, with a rich history of championing black welfare appreciate the fact and are calling for preaching remedial measures to the community as a matter of priority.

Not everything is a white vs black tussle - for crying out loud!


What they should be telling us is that communicable diseases such as corona, flu etc, are more likely to spread at higher rates where people live in higher density areas such as inner cities, than in the outer suburbs and rural areas. This is true whether you live in japan, china, italy, UK, Kenya etc. The higher rates for blacks and ethnic minorities in the US is only because they are more likely to be living in the inner city than in low density suburbs or rural areas. It has nothing to do with being blackamerican by race. Anyone living in a high rise apartment or ghetto anywhere in the world from madrid, NY, london, mumbai, Tokyo, wuhan to nairobi is more likely to be infected than someone living isolated in an outer suburb or rural area. #Epidemiology 101.

May be what those blacks on TV should be advocating for is land/housing reform since for many years blacks could not own land (or homes) in rural areas or suburbs due to discrimination and that is how they ended up in the crowded inner cities.


This is exactly what's causing the spread. Another factor is adults in the same estates might adherence to the stay at home policies. but who is going to police the children who play together and are known to be carriers of the virus?
Someone has to educate the young including teens that the lives of their loved ones are in their hands.
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masukuma
#1051 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 3:53:00 PM
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sqft wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
sqft wrote:
wukan wrote:

Have you seen the disproportionate death toll among the black americans? In some areas they are suffering 70% of the reported deaths yet they make 30% of population. The cheap fast food/poor diet is a huge contributor to the lifestyle diseases making them vulnerable to covid.



Is Boris Johnson black? Is prince charles black? Are all the dead italians, spaniads, frenchmen, britons, chinese black?

When the white man is faced with tough and hopeless situations he has to find excuses and distractions to hide his helplessness and console himself. In the US itself the number of dead is 70% white, 15% black, and asians plus ethnic minorities is 15%. Why concentrate on and highlight the 15% dead blacks and not the 70% dead whites?




So a global pandemic sweeping throughout the world has now been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities? Should kenya also release its data and say whites are more likely to be infected coz they make up only 0.1% of the population but account for 50% of the cases?



Really? has it
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been reduced to what is happening in black ghettos in US cities


You of all people must understand there is such a thing called FACTORS that make people susceptible to this and other diseases. Are there systemic factors? YES. Do they need to do better - HELL YES! Anyone pointing to just one of these is being simplistic and disingenuous.

It's the same as for Crime and Jailing - there are factors that contribute to occurrences.
Secondly, Kindly check your stats - black people don't make "0.1% of the population". I suggest you refresh your statistics.
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sqft
#1052 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:24:37 PM
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US suffers highest death rate in 24 hrs - 1,890 dead
France - 1417 dead in 24hrs
Germany suffers highest death rate in 24hrs - 274 dead
UK - 786 dead in 24hrs
Spain - 757 dead in 24 hrs
Japan - 85 dead

Kaeni hapo discussing black americans.


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masukuma
#1053 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 4:46:50 PM
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sqft wrote:
US suffers highest death rate in 24 hrs - 1,890 dead
France - 1417 dead in 24hrs
Germany suffers highest death rate in 24hrs - 274 dead
UK - 786 dead in 24hrs
Spain - 757 dead in 24 hrs
Japan - 85 dead

Kaeni hapo discussing black americans.




I don't know about you - but I can chew gum and skate stairs at the same time! I can discuss MULTIPLE FACTOR that SEEM to determine the morbidity and mortality of Corvid-19. These are things such as universal BCG, Excercise, Immuno Compromised systems, poor diets, Masks in a society, Authoritarian states doing better (or presenting better data) than democratic states, old age, Some of them are society based (Europeans have older people making percentages), bravado of societies.

I know it insults your programming but systemic racism is A FACTOR!
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kaka2za
#1054 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 5:07:54 PM
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Back home people who had visited their rural homes have to learn how to pick tea and coffee because they might be stuck there for a while. Delmonte workers who live in Kabati can no longer go to work.
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murchr
#1055 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 5:30:54 PM
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masukuma wrote:
sqft wrote:
US suffers highest death rate in 24 hrs - 1,890 dead
France - 1417 dead in 24hrs
Germany suffers highest death rate in 24hrs - 274 dead
UK - 786 dead in 24hrs
Spain - 757 dead in 24 hrs
Japan - 85 dead

Kaeni hapo discussing black americans.




I don't know about you - but I can chew gum and skate stairs at the same time! I can discuss MULTIPLE FACTOR that SEEM to determine the morbidity and mortality of Corvid-19. These are things such as universal BCG, Excercise, Immuno Compromised systems, poor diets, Masks in a society, Authoritarian states doing better (or presenting better data) than democratic states, old age, Some of them are society based (Europeans have older people making percentages), bravado of societies.

I know it insults your programming but systemic racism is A FACTOR!



A few weeks ago when people were speculating that the blackman was not catching this disease @sqft didn't have a problem. Now that the data is out discussing that data is a problem? What is the issue if people choose to discuss the fact that black people are dying disproportionately? Don't you think may be it would be wise to highlight that systemic issues are a contributor?

By the way, you can choose to not comment on opinions raised just don't gag anyone
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kaka2za
#1056 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 5:47:06 PM
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This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.

Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia.
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#1057 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 6:00:43 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.

Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia.


Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula.

That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us.

Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks.

#Weshallovercome.

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#1058 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 6:58:02 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.

Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia.


Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula.

That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us.

Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks.

#Weshallovercome.



Since this infection is new to mankind, it is improbable that any group of people could have developed immunity as yet...so this line may not be the answer. But....given that the mode of spread has been largely through air transport, is it possible this is where the answer lies... Africa's share of world air traffic data is about 1%. Can it be a coincidence that the total number of infections in Africa is also just about 1% compared to world data?
masukuma
#1059 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 7:21:42 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.

Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia.

Covid-19 has no experts!! the most experienced people in it have what?.. 5 months of experience? it's difficult to run experiments in a pandemic. anything evidence-driven requires testing in a huge number of environments and scenarios.
I think it's fine for people to recant what they said after better evidence comes around. This is not a religion that sticks to what it claimed regardless of what future evidence presents itself.
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#1060 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 7:57:23 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This thing has baffled even experts. Even WHO is saying don't use masks, no use masks.

Still a question about the relatively slower spread in Africa and South East Asia.


Me thinks after this weekend if numbers remain the way they are(more so in terms of deaths),we can start thinking on a cautious back to work formula.

That baffling thing whatever it is will continue protecting us.

Remember some Doomsday guys had predicted 5000 by mid April,well..........we continue washing hands,social distancing and staying at home and now let's wear masks.

#Weshallovercome.


Those doomsday guys are the experts at ministry of health

With rapid testing being introduced, 5k could be breached end month
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