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jgithige
#1001 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 12:35:08 AM
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Some think lockdown is not enough
https://t.co/2ecMzTad1Y?amp=1
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tycho
#1002 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 2:19:16 AM
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What the government has done is a bare minimum measure before lock down. First, it is preventing infected persons from Nairobi from infecting others outside. The government has also reduced the rate of inter-estate movement to some degree.

Otherwise, even with Jack Ma's contribution of testing kits there is little possibility of having any serious tests for non-suspects given contact tracing.

Isolation and social distancing still remain elusive in these areas under partial lockdown.

Given the rates of testing and isolation, and the rates and periods of virulence by infected persons, how probable is it that all shall be well after 21 days? The answer is: it will be difficult to unlock the down after 21 days.

What will happen is what's happening in China. Only those with a special pass will be able to move. Or what's being proposed in Italy: only those who have been infected and recovered will move.

You can imagine the rest of the scenario for yourselves.

We haven't began answering the real question. Uhuru's hand has been forced. But the problem is he may soon find himself in a culdesac.
madollar
#1003 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 2:31:14 AM
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sqft wrote:


This happened in italy prior to a lockdown watu walijua what happened next tuachie historians
tycho
#1004 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 2:49:23 AM
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So, my friends, I believe that I have done a comprehensive literature review regarding the possibility of a treatment that can see us through the challenge of finding how to live and work effectively and efficiently, with this virus.

My main line of inquiry has been on how we can fill some of the knowledge gaps identified and to figure out how information related to these gaps can help us understand the nature of thus virus, and how to counter it.

The knowledge gaps existing led me to the less spoken of issue of bio-aerosol action. This is about emissions of viruses and bacteria in the form of very small particles that can form clouds or network structures in the atmosphere. These clouds are inert but can often be activated.

For those who have noticed, I have tried to formulate basic rules or 'laws' that can be deduced from my study. To which I say that:

4. 4th law is that the rate of recovery is directly proportional to rate of immunity rise and that

5. Rate of infection, being a function of overall being - hence energy level - is related to the energy levels and activation thresholds of inactive virions in the atmosphere.

For me, it is not that one can't ever get Covid after initial infection. One may get Covid and deal with it better. I have read the research paper on the tests done on Macaque monkeys, and I believe that the tests conducted on the monkeys overlooked the above factors.

As such, I can boldly predict the following: cases of reinfection will increase in the countries lifting lockdowns, and that the macaque monkeys may need to be followed to find out if they will get Covid again.

And that's the whole point behind vaccination. One is meant to overcome infection whenever there's an encounter between the individual and the pathogen.
Bigchick
#1005 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 10:41:28 AM
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From COVID-19 Tracker Worldometer,yesturday we had 3500 new confirmed cases and 142 new deaths.

Is it safe/ok to conclude the worst is over and that we are now getting to a new phase that will have less casualties.

#Extremistinoptimism.
#Weshallovercome.
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tycho
#1006 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 11:16:32 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
From COVID-19 Tracker Worldometer,yesturday we had 3500 new confirmed cases and 142 new deaths.

Is it safe/ok to conclude the worst is over and that we are now getting to a new phase that will have less casualties.

#Extremistinoptimism.
#Weshallovercome.


I see it as a mixed bag. Some countries are peaking while others are rising, for example, we might soon be talking of Russia a lot. At that time we may have higher figures than you've mentioned.

Here's the thing: that we have a new virus with us is a forgone conclusion. It is no longer a matter of never getting this virus because even a vaccine is a version of it.

We have no vaccine at the moment, and some countries may develop it in a year or two. The question is, what do we do?

I believe that if we start answering this question in a positive, and intelligent manner we have reason to be optimistic. I know the numbers are shocking, I know we fear death, and I also know that it is necessary for us to be calm and to think critically about what's happening.

I believe we now have a scientific understanding of Covid that may be different from the understanding that was in Feb. 2020. Have we adjusted? For example: Leung et all, 2020, have shown that there is viral shedding during exhalation. If we consider this kind of action and implication on how for example, a patient progresses in a room, then we find that it is very likely that he/she will inhale more and more virions, till pneumonia.

Consider the situation: if this is the case, then what should we do to prevent deterioration of the patient?

I believe that genuine optimism is one that meets life with such an approach. Our hope is not in numbers, but in our ability to reason intelligently and change realities.
sqft
#1007 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 11:21:55 AM
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Local solutions.


Quote:
Kisumu residents defy curfew to ‘expel’ nyawawa (covid) evil spirits


https://www.nation.co.ke...5416-450w7vz/index.html
Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
tycho
#1008 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 11:43:29 AM
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sqft wrote:
Local solutions.


Quote:
Kisumu residents defy curfew to ‘expel’ nyawawa (covid) evil spirits


https://www.nation.co.ke...5416-450w7vz/index.html


Nyawawa is an old ritual. It's like going to church.

The local solution we have is what GOK is doing, and how we are responding. And I would like to let you know that the scientific establishment in Kenya is deep asleep, at a time of crisis. Why? Because it is bent on routine and those your 'international solutions'. Solutions that we can show to be politically and morally biased against us. This is a scandal unfolding.
T-Bag
#1009 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 12:03:10 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6lnPVc4tg. Life can change really fast. This is it, china may well be headed to Numero UNO superpower status. Smart move Wuhan assumming they trully have 1,242 active cases
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tycho
#1010 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 12:43:19 PM
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T-Bag wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6lnPVc4tg. Life can change really fast. This is it, china may well be headed to Numero UNO superpower status. Smart move Wuhan assumming they trully have 1,242 active cases


What good is this statistic if you have to be color coded 'Green' in order to move for 2 hrs, with the limit of only one person to move, per household?
T-Bag
#1011 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 1:13:05 PM
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tycho wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6lnPVc4tg. Life can change really fast. This is it, china may well be headed to Numero UNO superpower status. Smart move Wuhan assumming they trully have 1,242 active cases


What good is this statistic if you have to be color coded 'Green' in order to move for 2 hrs, with the limit of only one person to move, per household?


All forms of life by design are wired for fighting to survive and procreate including this corona, staying alive gives people a chance to complain of "colors" or suing the state for civil liberties denial; the state is like your dictator parents who in hindsight....we have gratitude
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tycho
#1012 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 1:40:34 PM
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T-Bag wrote:
tycho wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6lnPVc4tg. Life can change really fast. This is it, china may well be headed to Numero UNO superpower status. Smart move Wuhan assumming they trully have 1,242 active cases


What good is this statistic if you have to be color coded 'Green' in order to move for 2 hrs, with the limit of only one person to move, per household?


All forms of life by design are wired for fighting to survive and procreate including this corona, staying alive gives people a chance to complain of "colors" or suing the state for civil liberties denial; the state is like your dictator parents who in hindsight....we have gratitude


Being alive is good. And it's the responsibility of the state to work for the good of the people. We also know that the state makes choices, what informs them? What values are pursued is an important factor.

Our wish is to have social relations and spaces back under our control. We want to enjoy the benefit of a shared sense of time. We need to perform our rituals just as in the past.

Proxemics are important in determining humanity, @T-bag. And when we find the state is promoting an asocial polity where each is a safe distance from the other, then we will find ourselves among the living dead.
tycho
#1013 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 1:50:52 PM
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I think the best thing for me to do, is write my paper and submit for peer review. If successful, then we can start thinking about clinical trials. A paper may be what we need now.

What we all need is a solution that is optimal for all of us. And it may be counterproductive for me to make noise here and fail to do the necessary tasks.
FRM2011
#1014 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 2:00:00 PM
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Haven't been keeping track of the numbers regarding covid-19.

Hoping someone can clear the air.

1. The siaya & kitui priest, did they turn positive or negative ?

2. Were there other cases in siaya / kitui ?

3. Do we have actual community transmission numbers ?
sqft
#1015 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 2:10:57 PM
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Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
sqft
#1016 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 2:52:09 PM
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Shak wrote:
Boris Johnson admitted in hospital.



Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
Bigchick
#1017 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 3:28:28 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:

Haven't been keeping track of the numbers regarding covid-19.

Hoping someone can clear the air.

1. The siaya & kitui priest, did they turn positive or negative ?

Both were positive,waiting for the good news of their recovery

2. Were there other cases in siaya / kitui ?

Siaya Father is counted under Nairobi.

Contacts are in quarantine but not sure how many.However for Kitui they were reported to be around 40 pax.....comprising of family,Maguna Andu supermarket staff and some from the church.

3. Do we have actual community transmission numbers ?

Not heard any.





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MatataMingi
#1018 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 4:21:53 PM
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tycho wrote:
I think the best thing for me to do, is write my paper and submit for peer review. If successful, then we can start thinking about clinical trials. A paper may be what we need now.

What we all need is a solution that is optimal for all of us. And it may be counterproductive for me to make noise here and fail to do the necessary tasks.


@tycho,

I have been reading your numerous posts on this thread, and not understanding what exactly you are trying to tell us.

So, I wholeheartedly support your above suggestion.
Stop wasting time here, and instead work on your paper.

As you say, a paper may be what we need now.

Thank you and good luck.
alma1
#1019 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 4:25:08 PM
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I have to admit. When Uhuru wants to work he really can.

They are doing exactly what they need to do given the circumstances.

Test and isolate. Ramp up the testing and contact tracing. Then slowly stop movement from one region to another.

Then add more kits where needed at a time. Kenya testing all our health care workers will be an achievement that even the US will not dare dream about.

We must support this gov't in what it is doing.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

mkenyan
#1020 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 4:49:56 PM
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MatataMingi wrote:
tycho wrote:
I think the best thing for me to do, is write my paper and submit for peer review. If successful, then we can start thinking about clinical trials. A paper may be what we need now.

What we all need is a solution that is optimal for all of us. And it may be counterproductive for me to make noise here and fail to do the necessary tasks.


@tycho,

I have been reading your numerous posts on this thread, and not understanding what exactly you are trying to tell us.

So, I wholeheartedly support your above suggestion.
Stop wasting time here, and instead work on your paper.

As you say, a paper may be what we need now.

Thank you and good luck.

you beat me to it. he is here whining about papers and the government stealing his work. and how he has a solution. and how everyone else is getting it wrong. irritating territory. write that paper already and let it be peer reviewed. and please stop whining.
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