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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tom_boy wrote:You have unnecessary bile for Trump. Trump is a great leader. Does what he says. No time for pussy footing and useless political correctness. I wish we had him as a leader. No he is not! he has been busy running the country "like a business"... governments are not businesses!! How 1) The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. WTF!! 2) He refused test kits from WHO and insisted on his country's that didn't work. 3) He has been busy firing people who knew what to do Quote:The Obama administration walked incoming Trump administration officials through a hypothetical scenario in which a pandemic worse than the 1918 Spanish flu shut down cities like Seoul and London in early 2017.
During the briefing, Trump administration officials were told such a pandemic would likely lead to circumstances such as shortages of ventilators and that a coordinated national response would be “paramount,” according to documents obtained by the publication.
Of the Trump administration officials present during the meeting, about 66 percent no longer serve in the White House,.
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We were warned in 2017, a week before inauguration day, when Lisa Monaco, Barack Obama’s outgoing homeland-security adviser, gathered with Donald Trump’s incoming national-security officials and conducted an exercise modeled on the administration’s experiences with outbreaks of swine flu, Ebola, and Zika. The simulation explored how the U.S. government should respond to a flu pandemic that halts international travel, upends global supply chains, tanks the stock market, and burdens health-care systems—all with a vaccine many months from materializing. “The nightmare scenario for us, and frankly to any public-health expert that you would talk to, has always been a new strain of flu or a respiratory illness because of how much easier it is to spread” relative to other pandemic diseases that aren’t airborne,
The US is 3rd on the list of affected countries and it will not be surprising if in 2-3 weeks time it tops this list. Why? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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aemathenge wrote:tycho wrote:For headache, I may take the holy herb - to clear my head and placate my lungs. Ati What? I knew it. 😂The only explanation...😂
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Dahatre wrote:aemathenge wrote:tycho wrote:For headache, I may take the holy herb - to clear my head and placate my lungs. Ati What? I knew it. 😂The only explanation...😂 Laughs in time of Corona 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ugandans very serious about this
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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alma1 wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:So what I have learned so far 1) coronaviruses are a family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases like MERS, SARS and COVID-19. 2) there are coronaviruses that have not 'jumped' species and are mainly still in bats. bats being bats are everywhere! they are the animals with the second largest number of species and live everywhere...including kenya where a study shows talks about the existence of Novel SARS-like and Other Coronaviruses in Bats living in Kenya. 4) While it takes a bit of bad luck to get an outbreak started - the next coronavirus outbreak can be from anywhere - Kenya's bats have 41 distinct coronaviruses so it's important to have this problem looked at in the long term. 5) a 1991 study in the journal of virology outlined how Chloroquine (amongst others) slowed down the growth of coronaviruses by raising the PH of the cells. apparently coronaviruses need acidic environments to bind to cell receptors. 6) ibuprofen has been in the news lately as one of the drugs to avoid if you are exhibiting C-19 symptoms. why? it helps them multiply. it also has a low PH. Conclusion - anything that raises the PH of the body may be effective in stopping the reproduction of coronaviruses in human cells. this is not to mean that eating alkaline foods will translate to raising the PH of your tissues (as digestion may just neutralize it). Perhaps pharmacists and biochemists can tell us what other drugs lower the PH of blood and cell tissues. If there's a 1991 study why is Faucci not enthusiastic about Chloroquin? Why did MERS "disappear"? Well Faucci is a scientist - he has to test it, collect data and the check if there is no adverse effects in patients with coronavirus. He is a man of the scientific process... not feelings or reading it on the internet. He is doing it in a way he can account for. As soon as there are no adverse effects - it's likely that he will proceed. Please guys, you know drumpf is a snake oil salesman. He'll say anything to make himself chief medical doctor in a loony bin. Quote:Chloroquine was among the first group of therapies Chinese scientists identified as being effective in curbing the new coronavirus. Clinical trials on about 130 patients demonstrated the drug’s ability to reduce the severity of the illness and speed up virus clearance, according to China’s Ministry of Sciences and Technology.
Chroloquine phosphate was officially recommended on Feb. 19 in the Covid-19 treatment guidelines published by China’s National Health Commission Part 2 Quote:China’s recommendation to use chloroquine in treatment was quickly followed by a warning.
Two days after the treatment guideline update, health authorities in Hubei province -- China’s worst-hit region where the outbreak started and which accounted for majority of its over 80,000 patients -- asked hospitals to closely watch for, and immediately report, any adverse side effects of chloroquine phosphate Quote:A woman in Wuhan proved how lethal chloroquine can be when it’s taken beyond the recommended dose. On Feb. 25, Shanghai-based The Paper reported that she took 1.8 grams of the drug she ordered online after suspecting she had the coronavirus. She did not, but the drug caused her to develop malignant cardiac arrhythmic, which can cause sudden death, and she was admitted to the intensive care unit. As his guy for coronavirus said in his face. That he may be wrong or right. Let the science prove it. Reports from Nigeria tell of people having severe reactions after they ran to buy chloroquin because Trump said so. In Kenya, we should be wiser. There's a reason why we have reduced it's use even for malaria. This idea of witch doctors running countries should be highly discouraged. With all due respect @Alma, I think the message here is not that Chloroquine does not work (Trump notwithstanding), but rather that you should not take it without the supervision of a health care provider. Chloroquine was downgraded as a malaria med because it can mess up the rhythm of the heart and result in sudden death. Docs know how to monitor patients for this, hence the recommendation to take it only under the supervision of a medic. As Masukuma points out, Fauci is acting like a scientists should. On the other hand, compassionate use of meds before all the science is in is as old as medicine. It takes 10+ years to scientifically investigate a drug. When people are dying, you will do anything to save lives..
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Lolest! wrote:
Ugandans very serious about this
Heh! hawachezi! Ugandans got this thing down...Lessons from heir struggle with HIV in years past.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Dahatre wrote:
With all due respect @Alma, I think the message here is not that Chloroquine does not work (Trump notwithstanding), but rather that you should not take it without the supervision of a health care provider. Chloroquine was downgraded as a malaria med because it can mess up the rhythm of the heart and result in sudden death. Docs know how to monitor patients for this, hence the recommendation to take it only under the supervision of a medic.
As Masukuma points out, Fauci is acting like a scientists should. On the other hand, compassionate use of meds before all the science is in is as old as medicine. It takes 10+ years to scientifically investigate a drug. When people are dying, you will do anything to save lives..
I did not say that it doesn't work. I said beware of witch doctors with miracle cures. You as a medic would know the danger of giving the populace the false sense of belief that there's a cure out there. What Dummy tramp is doing is basically killing people. 1. He says it's an American cure 2. He hails it as a major breakthrough 3. He calls it a game changer 4. He says its available, "immeadiately" Some dummys in Nigeria then get chlroquin poisoning. What are the side effects of taking chloroquin with this disease? Is there a danger that this virus will mutate into a more dangerous version? Who knows if its a cure. But I will wait until real clinical trials are done by real doctors not by witch doctor in chief drumpf. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Https://www.nst.com.my/w...ar-mabele-dies-covid-19
This is the first african I have heard dead of corona...it could be true or might be other causes. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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harrydre wrote:Https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/03/576675/congo-music-star-mabele-dies-covid-19
This is the first african I have heard dead of corona...it could be true or might be other causes. But he had esophageal carcinoma that he had been battling over the last 5 years. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Dahatre wrote:alma1 wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:So what I have learned so far 1) coronaviruses are a family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases like MERS, SARS and COVID-19. 2) there are coronaviruses that have not 'jumped' species and are mainly still in bats. bats being bats are everywhere! they are the animals with the second largest number of species and live everywhere...including kenya where a study shows talks about the existence of Novel SARS-like and Other Coronaviruses in Bats living in Kenya. 4) While it takes a bit of bad luck to get an outbreak started - the next coronavirus outbreak can be from anywhere - Kenya's bats have 41 distinct coronaviruses so it's important to have this problem looked at in the long term. 5) a 1991 study in the journal of virology outlined how Chloroquine (amongst others) slowed down the growth of coronaviruses by raising the PH of the cells. apparently coronaviruses need acidic environments to bind to cell receptors. 6) ibuprofen has been in the news lately as one of the drugs to avoid if you are exhibiting C-19 symptoms. why? it helps them multiply. it also has a low PH. Conclusion - anything that raises the PH of the body may be effective in stopping the reproduction of coronaviruses in human cells. this is not to mean that eating alkaline foods will translate to raising the PH of your tissues (as digestion may just neutralize it). Perhaps pharmacists and biochemists can tell us what other drugs lower the PH of blood and cell tissues. If there's a 1991 study why is Faucci not enthusiastic about Chloroquin? Why did MERS "disappear"? Well Faucci is a scientist - he has to test it, collect data and the check if there is no adverse effects in patients with coronavirus. He is a man of the scientific process... not feelings or reading it on the internet. He is doing it in a way he can account for. As soon as there are no adverse effects - it's likely that he will proceed. Please guys, you know drumpf is a snake oil salesman. He'll say anything to make himself chief medical doctor in a loony bin. Quote:Chloroquine was among the first group of therapies Chinese scientists identified as being effective in curbing the new coronavirus. Clinical trials on about 130 patients demonstrated the drug’s ability to reduce the severity of the illness and speed up virus clearance, according to China’s Ministry of Sciences and Technology.
Chroloquine phosphate was officially recommended on Feb. 19 in the Covid-19 treatment guidelines published by China’s National Health Commission Part 2 Quote:China’s recommendation to use chloroquine in treatment was quickly followed by a warning.
Two days after the treatment guideline update, health authorities in Hubei province -- China’s worst-hit region where the outbreak started and which accounted for majority of its over 80,000 patients -- asked hospitals to closely watch for, and immediately report, any adverse side effects of chloroquine phosphate Quote:A woman in Wuhan proved how lethal chloroquine can be when it’s taken beyond the recommended dose. On Feb. 25, Shanghai-based The Paper reported that she took 1.8 grams of the drug she ordered online after suspecting she had the coronavirus. She did not, but the drug caused her to develop malignant cardiac arrhythmic, which can cause sudden death, and she was admitted to the intensive care unit. As his guy for coronavirus said in his face. That he may be wrong or right. Let the science prove it. Reports from Nigeria tell of people having severe reactions after they ran to buy chloroquin because Trump said so. In Kenya, we should be wiser. There's a reason why we have reduced it's use even for malaria. This idea of witch doctors running countries should be highly discouraged. With all due respect @Alma, I think the message here is not that Chloroquine does not work (Trump notwithstanding), but rather that you should not take it without the supervision of a health care provider. Chloroquine was downgraded as a malaria med because it can mess up the rhythm of the heart and result in sudden death. Docs know how to monitor patients for this, hence the recommendation to take it only under the supervision of a medic. As Masukuma points out, Fauci is acting like a scientists should. On the other hand, compassionate use of meds before all the science is in is as old as medicine. It takes 10+ years to scientifically investigate a drug. When people are dying, you will do anything to save lives.. . Agreed. A sober approach with caution is needed. But people are dying so if a drug is said to be working, it should be put to test. Spain has joined Italy's league. Terrible "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Lolest! wrote:8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
Tracing 363 persons!!🙆🏾♂ In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
Tracing 363 persons!!🙆🏾♂ That ban on international flights has been long overdue
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Lolest! wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
Tracing 363 persons!!🙆🏾♂ That ban on international flights has been long overdue A ban would not be intelligent, being prepared is key. Chinese planes were banned then? Those 363 people went to church, malls weddings etc and they may be spreading, Its time those containers start moving "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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How many respiratory equipment is available in Kenya. It is eyebrow raising that they have to fly that person in Msambweni to Nairobi...why not Mombasa? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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SUMMARY OF THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE COMMITTEE PRESS BRIEFING ☑️ There is an additional 8 Corona virus cases in Kenya, bringing the total number to 15 ☑️ 363 persons who had come into contact with the 8 are being traced ☑️ Government continues to insist on high levels of hygiene and maintaining social distancing as an effective measure ☑️ Kenyans must adjust and change their lifestyles. Behaving normal under the circumstances is akin to having a death wish MEASURES/DIRECTIVES ☑️ All international flights suspended effective Wednesday today at midnight apart from cargo flights. All coming between now and Wednesday to undergo quarantine at a government facility at their own exorbitant ☑️ All persons who violate quarantine measures to be quarantined forcefully at their own expense and later charged. This will apply to a senior government official who failed to self- quarantine upon return from abroad ☑️ Effective midnight, all bars will remain closed until further notice. Restaurant to remain open but only have take away services ☑️ All PSVs must adhere to the directive issues on Friday (March 20th) failure time which respective Sacco license will be revoked ☑️ Government has suspended all churches, mosques gatherings; funerals are restricted to family members only (Restricted to 15). Weddings not allowed. Any form of gathering even within the streets also not allowed ☑️ The National Government Administration Officers (NGAO)under the Ministry of Interior to enforce measures and directives issued. Moving forward displinary action will be taken towards those who will fail to comply ☑️ The National Police Service to enforce the National Health Act, the outlined matatu regulations and quarantine. The police will support NGAO in the enforcement of various outlined measures. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
Tracing 363 persons!!🙆🏾♂ That ban on international flights has been long overdue A ban would not be intelligent, being prepared is key. Chinese planes were banned then? Those 363 people went to church, malls weddings etc and they may be spreading, Its time those containers start moving Air travel has been the biggest catalyst of new infections worldwide and even here. Our 8 new cases are all imported via our main airport Allowing flights in while urging Kenya residents to wash their hands, keep minimum distance etc is akin to spraying an insecticide while keeping the doors and windows of your house open! We are late in banning these flights, though not too late
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
Tracing 363 persons!!🙆🏾♂ That ban on international flights has been long overdue A ban would not be intelligent, being prepared is key. Chinese planes were banned then? Those 363 people went to church, malls weddings etc and they may be spreading, Its time those containers start moving Air travel has been the biggest catalyst of new infections worldwide and even here. Our 8 new cases are all imported via our main airport Allowing flights in while urging Kenya residents to wash their hands, keep minimum distance etc is akin to spraying an insecticide while keeping the doors and windows of your house open! We are late in banning these flights, though not too late It's already here dude, the majority of those people are Kenyan returnees not even 1 Chinese. This and other diseases are bound to spread anyhow people are social beings and that is one thing you can't stop. It should have been wise for the government to be ready as soon as China announced that it's spreading from human to human. Look at the bright side, the health issues in the country will now be highlighted, it's time we started looking at home grown solutions now every country is grappling with its issues. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
Tracing 363 persons!!🙆🏾♂ That ban on international flights has been long overdue A ban would not be intelligent, being prepared is key. Chinese planes were banned then? Those 363 people went to church, malls weddings etc and they may be spreading, Its time those containers start moving Air travel has been the biggest catalyst of new infections worldwide and even here. Our 8 new cases are all imported via our main airport Allowing flights in while urging Kenya residents to wash their hands, keep minimum distance etc is akin to spraying an insecticide while keeping the doors and windows of your house open! We are late in banning these flights, though not too late There is only one effective method that has worked. Test and quarantine. As you can see we are still scared and praying. We shall remain in this state until, we test and quarantine. Data never lies. We could have got away with stopping international flights. But statistically at 15 and they have been around for 2 weeks is wishful thinking. Test and quarantine. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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alma1 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Lolest! wrote:8 additional people test positive-all imported cases who came through JKIA from 4th to 17th
Tracing 363 persons!!🙆🏾♂ That ban on international flights has been long overdue A ban would not be intelligent, being prepared is key. Chinese planes were banned then? Those 363 people went to church, malls weddings etc and they may be spreading, Its time those containers start moving Air travel has been the biggest catalyst of new infections worldwide and even here. Our 8 new cases are all imported via our main airport Allowing flights in while urging Kenya residents to wash their hands, keep minimum distance etc is akin to spraying an insecticide while keeping the doors and windows of your house open! We are late in banning these flights, though not too late There is only one effective method that has worked. Test and quarantine. As you can see we are still scared and praying. We shall remain in this state until, we test and quarantine. Data never lies. We could have got away with stopping international flights. But statistically at 15 and they have been around for 2 weeks is wishful thinking. Test and quarantine. Have you been tested and quarantined, @ alma?
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