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Balaa wrote:Their (nic securities) online share trading platform has been screwed up since the merger. For example, it has not worked optimally since the two institutions merged. Management issues apologies continually and they are never short of excuses! So useless... note that there was a new URL that was sent out (https://onlinetrading.ncbagroup.com/Tradeweb/login.aspx) and it works fine, no new issues on my side
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NewMoney wrote:Balaa wrote:Their (nic securities) online share trading platform has been screwed up since the merger. For example, it has not worked optimally since the two institutions merged. Management issues apologies continually and they are never short of excuses! So useless... note that there was a new URL that was sent out (https://onlinetrading.ncbagroup.com/Tradeweb/login.aspx) and it works fine, no new issues on my side They've made a weird tweak for mobile. It lacks depth and has lost some of the features seen via the desktop version. Terrible move.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2018 Posts: 175 Location: Kinshasa
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NewMoney wrote:Balaa wrote:Their (nic securities) online share trading platform has been screwed up since the merger. For example, it has not worked optimally since the two institutions merged. Management issues apologies continually and they are never short of excuses! So useless... note that there was a new URL that was sent out (https://onlinetrading.ncbagroup.com/Tradeweb/login.aspx) and it works fine, no new issues on my side Thanks @NewMoney for the titbit. Will follow through with my so-called Wealth Manager (whom I hope to fire soonest). If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense
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what does this portend for small shareholders like us? NCBA board to meet over dividend terms Monday, January 6, 2020 23:26 President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta Top: President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Bottom: Billionaire businessman Naushad Merali (left), NIC Chairman James Ndegwa (centre) and his brother Andrew Ndegwa. FILE PHOTOS | NMG Facebook Twitter LinkedIn The board of NCBA Group will meet before March to decide the new dividends to pay shareholders, including the Kenyatta and Philip Ndegwa families who command the highest stakes. NCBA is the product of the merger between the listed NIC Group and CBA Group. The two lenders had different dividend policies. CBA, where the Kenyatta’s were significant shareholders, used to pay higher dividends relative to profits compared to NIC. Now, the board of the merged banks is set to decide on a fresh dividend policy. NCBA group Managing Director John Gachora told the Business Daily that the board will make the decision before March when the bank will issue its first consolidated results for the 2019 financial year. “The board has not yet decided on a policy yet. We are having discussions as to what that should look like. It is true NIC policy was conservative,” said Mr Gachora. Standard Investment Bank (SIB) analysts said they expect NCBA to increase its dividend payout hinged on higher efficiencies and reduced cost of funding. SIB said the merger transaction had resulted in between 10 and 15 percent growth in earnings to NIC Group shareholders who swapped their stock during the deal. “We see a slight increase in dividend payout — blended payout improves from 20 percent to about 25 percent in our estimate, with CBA being the catalyst for a higher payout,” said SIB. However, Mr Gachora said the new payout policy will have to leave room for expansion plans within Kenya and beyond without having to raise capital in the short-term. “Our new dividend policy will be one that allows us to make new investments to build capital. That is a decision that has to be made before we release end year results in March,” said Mr Gachora. The Kenyattas have a 13.2 percent stake in NCBA while the family of the late Phillip Ndegwa owns 11.75 percent. NIC paid a dividend of Sh1.25 per share totalling Sh880 million from the 2018 results when the lender’s profits grew to Sh4.22 billion from Sh4.14 billion in 2017. This means it paid 20.8 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. CBA paid a dividend of Sh1.42 from 2017 despite the lender’s profits dropping to Sh5.54 billion from Sh6.7 billion in 2016. This means it paid 25.6 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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xtina wrote: what does this portend for small shareholders like us? NCBA board to meet over dividend terms Monday, January 6, 2020 23:26 President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta Top: President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Bottom: Billionaire businessman Naushad Merali (left), NIC Chairman James Ndegwa (centre) and his brother Andrew Ndegwa. FILE PHOTOS | NMG Facebook Twitter LinkedIn The board of NCBA Group will meet before March to decide the new dividends to pay shareholders, including the Kenyatta and Philip Ndegwa families who command the highest stakes. NCBA is the product of the merger between the listed NIC Group and CBA Group. The two lenders had different dividend policies. CBA, where the Kenyatta’s were significant shareholders, used to pay higher dividends relative to profits compared to NIC. Now, the board of the merged banks is set to decide on a fresh dividend policy. NCBA group Managing Director John Gachora told the Business Daily that the board will make the decision before March when the bank will issue its first consolidated results for the 2019 financial year. “The board has not yet decided on a policy yet. We are having discussions as to what that should look like. It is true NIC policy was conservative,” said Mr Gachora. Standard Investment Bank (SIB) analysts said they expect NCBA to increase its dividend payout hinged on higher efficiencies and reduced cost of funding. SIB said the merger transaction had resulted in between 10 and 15 percent growth in earnings to NIC Group shareholders who swapped their stock during the deal. “We see a slight increase in dividend payout — blended payout improves from 20 percent to about 25 percent in our estimate, with CBA being the catalyst for a higher payout,” said SIB. However, Mr Gachora said the new payout policy will have to leave room for expansion plans within Kenya and beyond without having to raise capital in the short-term. “Our new dividend policy will be one that allows us to make new investments to build capital. That is a decision that has to be made before we release end year results in March,” said Mr Gachora. The Kenyattas have a 13.2 percent stake in NCBA while the family of the late Phillip Ndegwa owns 11.75 percent. NIC paid a dividend of Sh1.25 per share totalling Sh880 million from the 2018 results when the lender’s profits grew to Sh4.22 billion from Sh4.14 billion in 2017. This means it paid 20.8 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. CBA paid a dividend of Sh1.42 from 2017 despite the lender’s profits dropping to Sh5.54 billion from Sh6.7 billion in 2016. This means it paid 25.6 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. Not much in way of dividends. Even the combined entity is on growth mode. Small shareholders are better off trading for capital gains. Life is short. Live passionately.
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sparkly wrote:xtina wrote: what does this portend for small shareholders like us? NCBA board to meet over dividend terms Monday, January 6, 2020 23:26 President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta Top: President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Bottom: Billionaire businessman Naushad Merali (left), NIC Chairman James Ndegwa (centre) and his brother Andrew Ndegwa. FILE PHOTOS | NMG Facebook Twitter LinkedIn The board of NCBA Group will meet before March to decide the new dividends to pay shareholders, including the Kenyatta and Philip Ndegwa families who command the highest stakes. NCBA is the product of the merger between the listed NIC Group and CBA Group. The two lenders had different dividend policies. CBA, where the Kenyatta’s were significant shareholders, used to pay higher dividends relative to profits compared to NIC. Now, the board of the merged banks is set to decide on a fresh dividend policy. NCBA group Managing Director John Gachora told the Business Daily that the board will make the decision before March when the bank will issue its first consolidated results for the 2019 financial year. “The board has not yet decided on a policy yet. We are having discussions as to what that should look like. It is true NIC policy was conservative,” said Mr Gachora. Standard Investment Bank (SIB) analysts said they expect NCBA to increase its dividend payout hinged on higher efficiencies and reduced cost of funding. SIB said the merger transaction had resulted in between 10 and 15 percent growth in earnings to NIC Group shareholders who swapped their stock during the deal. “We see a slight increase in dividend payout — blended payout improves from 20 percent to about 25 percent in our estimate, with CBA being the catalyst for a higher payout,” said SIB. However, Mr Gachora said the new payout policy will have to leave room for expansion plans within Kenya and beyond without having to raise capital in the short-term. “Our new dividend policy will be one that allows us to make new investments to build capital. That is a decision that has to be made before we release end year results in March,” said Mr Gachora. The Kenyattas have a 13.2 percent stake in NCBA while the family of the late Phillip Ndegwa owns 11.75 percent. NIC paid a dividend of Sh1.25 per share totalling Sh880 million from the 2018 results when the lender’s profits grew to Sh4.22 billion from Sh4.14 billion in 2017. This means it paid 20.8 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. CBA paid a dividend of Sh1.42 from 2017 despite the lender’s profits dropping to Sh5.54 billion from Sh6.7 billion in 2016. This means it paid 25.6 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. Not much in way of dividends. Even the combined entity is on growth mode. Small shareholders are better off trading for capital gains. Indeed this is not a dividend stock but it will compensate with capital gains. Interestingly KCB is delivering on both fronts
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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mwekez@ji wrote:sparkly wrote:xtina wrote: what does this portend for small shareholders like us? NCBA board to meet over dividend terms Monday, January 6, 2020 23:26 President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta Top: President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Bottom: Billionaire businessman Naushad Merali (left), NIC Chairman James Ndegwa (centre) and his brother Andrew Ndegwa. FILE PHOTOS | NMG Facebook Twitter LinkedIn The board of NCBA Group will meet before March to decide the new dividends to pay shareholders, including the Kenyatta and Philip Ndegwa families who command the highest stakes. NCBA is the product of the merger between the listed NIC Group and CBA Group. The two lenders had different dividend policies. CBA, where the Kenyatta’s were significant shareholders, used to pay higher dividends relative to profits compared to NIC. Now, the board of the merged banks is set to decide on a fresh dividend policy. NCBA group Managing Director John Gachora told the Business Daily that the board will make the decision before March when the bank will issue its first consolidated results for the 2019 financial year. “The board has not yet decided on a policy yet. We are having discussions as to what that should look like. It is true NIC policy was conservative,” said Mr Gachora. Standard Investment Bank (SIB) analysts said they expect NCBA to increase its dividend payout hinged on higher efficiencies and reduced cost of funding. SIB said the merger transaction had resulted in between 10 and 15 percent growth in earnings to NIC Group shareholders who swapped their stock during the deal. “We see a slight increase in dividend payout — blended payout improves from 20 percent to about 25 percent in our estimate, with CBA being the catalyst for a higher payout,” said SIB. However, Mr Gachora said the new payout policy will have to leave room for expansion plans within Kenya and beyond without having to raise capital in the short-term. “Our new dividend policy will be one that allows us to make new investments to build capital. That is a decision that has to be made before we release end year results in March,” said Mr Gachora. The Kenyattas have a 13.2 percent stake in NCBA while the family of the late Phillip Ndegwa owns 11.75 percent. NIC paid a dividend of Sh1.25 per share totalling Sh880 million from the 2018 results when the lender’s profits grew to Sh4.22 billion from Sh4.14 billion in 2017. This means it paid 20.8 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. CBA paid a dividend of Sh1.42 from 2017 despite the lender’s profits dropping to Sh5.54 billion from Sh6.7 billion in 2016. This means it paid 25.6 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. Not much in way of dividends. Even the combined entity is on growth mode. Small shareholders are better off trading for capital gains. Indeed this is not a dividend stock but it will compensate with capital gains. Interestingly KCB is delivering on both fronts The Group MD has started complaining that the market is not favorable. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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sparkly wrote:xtina wrote: what does this portend for small shareholders like us? NCBA board to meet over dividend terms Monday, January 6, 2020 23:26 President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta Top: President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Bottom: Billionaire businessman Naushad Merali (left), NIC Chairman James Ndegwa (centre) and his brother Andrew Ndegwa. FILE PHOTOS | NMG Facebook Twitter LinkedIn The board of NCBA Group will meet before March to decide the new dividends to pay shareholders, including the Kenyatta and Philip Ndegwa families who command the highest stakes. NCBA is the product of the merger between the listed NIC Group and CBA Group. The two lenders had different dividend policies. CBA, where the Kenyatta’s were significant shareholders, used to pay higher dividends relative to profits compared to NIC. Now, the board of the merged banks is set to decide on a fresh dividend policy. NCBA group Managing Director John Gachora told the Business Daily that the board will make the decision before March when the bank will issue its first consolidated results for the 2019 financial year. “The board has not yet decided on a policy yet. We are having discussions as to what that should look like. It is true NIC policy was conservative,” said Mr Gachora. Standard Investment Bank (SIB) analysts said they expect NCBA to increase its dividend payout hinged on higher efficiencies and reduced cost of funding. SIB said the merger transaction had resulted in between 10 and 15 percent growth in earnings to NIC Group shareholders who swapped their stock during the deal. “We see a slight increase in dividend payout — blended payout improves from 20 percent to about 25 percent in our estimate, with CBA being the catalyst for a higher payout,” said SIB. However, Mr Gachora said the new payout policy will have to leave room for expansion plans within Kenya and beyond without having to raise capital in the short-term. “Our new dividend policy will be one that allows us to make new investments to build capital. That is a decision that has to be made before we release end year results in March,” said Mr Gachora. The Kenyattas have a 13.2 percent stake in NCBA while the family of the late Phillip Ndegwa owns 11.75 percent. NIC paid a dividend of Sh1.25 per share totalling Sh880 million from the 2018 results when the lender’s profits grew to Sh4.22 billion from Sh4.14 billion in 2017. This means it paid 20.8 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. CBA paid a dividend of Sh1.42 from 2017 despite the lender’s profits dropping to Sh5.54 billion from Sh6.7 billion in 2016. This means it paid 25.6 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. Not much in way of dividends. Even the combined entity is on growth mode. Small shareholders are better off trading for capital gains. I hope it stays below 30% or rather be at 20%. It will be delivering the same dividend yield as Equity Bank at current price plus be retaining more money for growth
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Ericsson wrote:mwekez@ji wrote:sparkly wrote:xtina wrote: what does this portend for small shareholders like us? NCBA board to meet over dividend terms Monday, January 6, 2020 23:26 President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta Top: President Uhuru Kenyatta (left), his brother Muhoho and former First Lady Mama Ngina Kenyatta. Bottom: Billionaire businessman Naushad Merali (left), NIC Chairman James Ndegwa (centre) and his brother Andrew Ndegwa. FILE PHOTOS | NMG Facebook Twitter LinkedIn The board of NCBA Group will meet before March to decide the new dividends to pay shareholders, including the Kenyatta and Philip Ndegwa families who command the highest stakes. NCBA is the product of the merger between the listed NIC Group and CBA Group. The two lenders had different dividend policies. CBA, where the Kenyatta’s were significant shareholders, used to pay higher dividends relative to profits compared to NIC. Now, the board of the merged banks is set to decide on a fresh dividend policy. NCBA group Managing Director John Gachora told the Business Daily that the board will make the decision before March when the bank will issue its first consolidated results for the 2019 financial year. “The board has not yet decided on a policy yet. We are having discussions as to what that should look like. It is true NIC policy was conservative,” said Mr Gachora. Standard Investment Bank (SIB) analysts said they expect NCBA to increase its dividend payout hinged on higher efficiencies and reduced cost of funding. SIB said the merger transaction had resulted in between 10 and 15 percent growth in earnings to NIC Group shareholders who swapped their stock during the deal. “We see a slight increase in dividend payout — blended payout improves from 20 percent to about 25 percent in our estimate, with CBA being the catalyst for a higher payout,” said SIB. However, Mr Gachora said the new payout policy will have to leave room for expansion plans within Kenya and beyond without having to raise capital in the short-term. “Our new dividend policy will be one that allows us to make new investments to build capital. That is a decision that has to be made before we release end year results in March,” said Mr Gachora. The Kenyattas have a 13.2 percent stake in NCBA while the family of the late Phillip Ndegwa owns 11.75 percent. NIC paid a dividend of Sh1.25 per share totalling Sh880 million from the 2018 results when the lender’s profits grew to Sh4.22 billion from Sh4.14 billion in 2017. This means it paid 20.8 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. CBA paid a dividend of Sh1.42 from 2017 despite the lender’s profits dropping to Sh5.54 billion from Sh6.7 billion in 2016. This means it paid 25.6 percent of its earnings to shareholders as dividends. Not much in way of dividends. Even the combined entity is on growth mode. Small shareholders are better off trading for capital gains. Indeed this is not a dividend stock but it will compensate with capital gains. Interestingly KCB is delivering on both fronts The Group MD has started complaining that the market is not favorable. Whiner that one.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Another defaulter https://www.businessdail...684-10j6im0z/index.html but the good news is there's progress in making a recovery. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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wow! matrimonial interest overriding the banks interest.
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wukan wrote:wow! matrimonial interest overriding the banks interest. Yes, to stop men from using matrimonial homes as collateral without the wife's consent. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:wukan wrote:wow! matrimonial interest overriding the banks interest. Yes, to stop men from using matrimonial homes as collateral without the wife's consent. The person on the Title, at the time the loan was taken, should have the right to mortgage the property or offer it as collateral. Wacha they sell the house. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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NIC was reckless in the way it was dishing out loans Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:NIC was reckless in the way it was dishing out loans Did you work for NIC? Under Gachora, NIC did rather poorly compared to peers like I&M and DTB. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:NIC was reckless in the way it was dishing out loans Did you work for NIC? I don't need to work to see NIC every week in loans gone sour such as Kaluworks aka non-performing loans.Under Gachora, NIC did rather poorly compared to peers like I&M and DTB. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:NIC was reckless in the way it was dishing out loans Did you work for NIC? I don't need to work to see NIC every week in loans gone sour such as Kaluworks aka non-performing loans.Under Gachora, NIC did rather poorly compared to peers like I&M and DTB. Then how did you know they made a large bad loan every week? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:NIC was reckless in the way it was dishing out loans Did you work for NIC? I don't need to work to see NIC every week in loans gone sour such as Kaluworks aka non-performing loans.Under Gachora, NIC did rather poorly compared to peers like I&M and DTB. Then how did you know they made a large bad loan every week? Every week we read in the press and social media about a loan deal gone sour and NIC bank was involved. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:NIC was reckless in the way it was dishing out loans Did you work for NIC? I don't need to work to see NIC every week in loans gone sour such as Kaluworks aka non-performing loans.Under Gachora, NIC did rather poorly compared to peers like I&M and DTB. Then how did you know they made a large bad loan every week? Every week we read in the press and social media about a loan deal gone sour and NIC bank was involved. That should mean 52 for the past year. I googled but couldn't find 52. Help me out. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:NIC was reckless in the way it was dishing out loans Did you work for NIC? I don't need to work to see NIC every week in loans gone sour such as Kaluworks aka non-performing loans.Under Gachora, NIC did rather poorly compared to peers like I&M and DTB. Then how did you know they made a large bad loan every week? Every week we read in the press and social media about a loan deal gone sour and NIC bank was involved. That should mean 52 for the past year. I googled but couldn't find 52. Help me out. Every Monday Graham Auctioneers & Leakey Stores....... NIC lazima & location is countrywide. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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