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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote: AlphDoti wrote:@lonest tried this and he failed. He was ignorant that Joseph the carpenter was a 50 year old widower when he was betrothed to a 13 year old virgin Mary! Anyway, wacha nirelax. Will need to go see this Kaaba where pagan Arab gods were worshipped and Muslims copied the traditions from them including going round the stone 7 times You keep repeating yourself. Do you think when you repeat something several times, it makes it true? You visit propaganda site and copy stuff from there! You repeated same claim in post #41 Monday, June 23, 2014 10:37:24 PM I am still reading on the kaaba, that shrine Muhammad left for you to pray facing Psalm 138:2 "I will bow down toward your holy temple...". Genesis 28:16-18 "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God...". 1 Chronicles 6:47-49 "...the house of God." "Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House (i.e., the Kaaba)..." Quran 22:26-27
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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The below is for @lonest only who is till confused about House of God mentioned even in the Bible:
First of all, before Muhammad p.b.u.h was given prophethood, there were many "religions": there was Judaism (Jews), there was Christianity (some Arabs), and there was idol worship (some Jews & some Arabs). This is a fact. And even with all the above religions, the Kaabah was a sacred place. The place was sacred even from the time of Abraham where he built the first House Of God, in Makkah, evidence is in the Bible. Unfortunately, over time, people had lost true worship of God, some had adopted Trinity and some idol worship. This is also a fact. When the prophet came, he found this situation. He himself since childhood had something in his heart telling him all these idol worship was wrong. Just like Abraham whose father made idols, if you remember his childhood, Abraham hated idols. So when Muhammad pbuh was given prophethood, he found the Arab people deep in idol worship. They had put their idols in the Kaabah. The prophet pbuh started preaching the oneness of God. He destroyed the idols. HE WAS OPPOSED. HE WAS ATTACKED. HE RAN AWAY TO MADINA.... Eventually, he became victorious and came back to Makkah and cleaned up the Kaabah.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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The below is still for @lonest:
Check out Genesis 25:12: Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham: 13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar This is confirmed by the Quran: "Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying): 'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;" (Quran, 22:26-27)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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People argue out of ignorance.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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AlphDoti wrote:People argue out of ignorance. 
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aemathenge wrote:AlphDoti wrote:People argue out of ignorance. Thanks ma-He goat, If we all reasoned the same the world would be a boring place. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:The below is for @lonest only who is till confused about House of God mentioned even in the Bible:
First of all, before Muhammad p.b.u.h was given prophethood, there were many "religions": there was Judaism (Jews), there was Christianity (some Arabs), and there was idol worship (some Jews & some Arabs). This is a fact. And even with all the above religions, the Kaabah was a sacred place. The place was sacred even from the time of Abraham where he built the first House Of God, in Makkah, evidence is in the Bible. Unfortunately, over time, people had lost true worship of God, some had adopted Trinity and some idol worship. This is also a fact. When the prophet came, he found this situation. He himself since childhood had something in his heart telling him all these idol worship was wrong. Just like Abraham whose father made idols, if you remember his childhood, Abraham hated idols. So when Muhammad pbuh was given prophethood, he found the Arab people deep in idol worship. They had put their idols in the Kaabah. The prophet pbuh started preaching the oneness of God. He destroyed the idols. HE WAS OPPOSED. HE WAS ATTACKED. HE RAN AWAY TO MADINA.... Eventually, he became victorious and came back to Makkah and cleaned up the Kaabah. And you inherited lots of the practices of those kkafir Arabs too? See your contradictions?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:He married her after Zayd divorced her. In islam divirced wonen are marriageable. And there is no law against that. Allah confirms this in the verse AFTER Keyword AFTER Muhammad created a new rule AFTER
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:He married her after Zayd divorced her. In Islam divorced women are marriageable. And there is no law against that. Allah confirms this in the verse AFTER Keyword AFTER Muhammad created a new rule AFTER Muhammad pbuh never made. Allah makes rules.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:The below is for @lonest only who is till confused about House of God mentioned even in the Bible:
First of all, before Muhammad p.b.u.h was given prophethood, there were many "religions": there was Judaism (Jews), there was Christianity (some Arabs), and there was idol worship (some Jews & some Arabs). This is a fact. And even with all the above religions, the Kaabah was a sacred place. The place was sacred even from the time of Abraham where he built the first House Of God, in Makkah, evidence is in the Bible. Unfortunately, over time, people had lost true worship of God, some had adopted Trinity and some idol worship. This is also a fact. When the prophet came, he found this situation. He himself since childhood had something in his heart telling him all these idol worship was wrong. Just like Abraham whose father made idols, if you remember his childhood, Abraham hated idols. So when Muhammad pbuh was given prophethood, he found the Arab people deep in idol worship. They had put their idols in the Kaabah. The prophet pbuh started preaching the oneness of God. He destroyed the idols. HE WAS OPPOSED. HE WAS ATTACKED. HE RAN AWAY TO MADINA.... Eventually, he became victorious and came back to Makkah and cleaned up the Kaabah. And you inherited lots of the practices of those kkafir Arabs too? See your contradictions? Like what practices inherited from kafirs? Before you answer, check Ibrahim a.s. tradition...
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