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Christians Come Here: Gambling, Betting and the Bible
tycho
#41 Posted : Monday, August 22, 2016 10:09:33 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
...So if you don't believe in the Bible, don't quote, otherwise, you must also agree with the context of the story.

...Gambling is about fair chances and if fair chances are precluded, even if that act also entails sacrifice as you've defined it.

I believe in the Bible, and so do I believe in other scriptures... and the context in this case, if you may take a look at it again has gambling and grumbling in it!

So, if you believe in the Bible, you need to be obedient to what it says. Gambling is a way to bypass work, but the Bible counsels YOU to persevere and work hard:

"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." (Proverbs 10:4)


Gambling isn't necessarily about bypassing work. On the contrary, something like sport betting may involve a lot of work and perseverance.

Finally, take some time to understand what I've argued on this post. Call it 'critical listening'.

I knew you don't believe anything your Bible says, all is for beautification and rhetoric.

So with your critical thinking, then take it that gambling has more cons than pros. For that reason, it shouldn't be encouraged.


Reasoning, apparently, is not so easy for many of us.
Anti_Burglar
#42 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 8:32:24 AM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
...So if you don't believe in the Bible, don't quote, otherwise, you must also agree with the context of the story.

...Gambling is about fair chances and if fair chances are precluded, even if that act also entails sacrifice as you've defined it.

I believe in the Bible, and so do I believe in other scriptures... and the context in this case, if you may take a look at it again has gambling and grumbling in it!

So, if you believe in the Bible, you need to be obedient to what it says. Gambling is a way to bypass work, but the Bible counsels YOU to persevere and work hard:

"Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." (Proverbs 10:4)


Gambling isn't necessarily about bypassing work. On the contrary, something like sport betting may involve a lot of work and perseverance.

Finally, take some time to understand what I've argued on this post. Call it 'critical listening'.

I knew you don't believe anything your Bible says, all is for beautification and rhetoric.

So with your critical thinking, then take it that gambling has more cons than pros. For that reason, it shouldn't be encouraged.


Reasoning, apparently, is not so easy for many of us.


Yes, especially when they butt in where they were not called and then they try to fit in.
tycho
#43 Posted : Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:03:04 PM
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It's not enough that our ethical standards be determined by the consideration of pros and cons. This is because such an ethic doesn't go as far as questioning the world in which the moral choices are being made. So in effect a mode of ethic may in fact claim righteousness and goodness for itself, while accepting and promoting evil and blindness in others.

For example like in the present case, it's not just enough to say that gambling is evil because those who gamble and live comfortable, responsible and balanced lives are few, therefore gambling should be discouraged. Or some variant of such an argument.

Neither is it enough to say, 'God said don't gamble; therefore don't gamble'. Why? Because this too limits questioning of the world involved. And it doesn't preclude the possibility of this taboo being utilized by the powerful among us, for example. That is, unquestionability necessarily promotes corruption and the evil that was being avoided in the first place.

Everything must be questioned, because to question is to see. Therefore ethical standards are compared by how much they enable one to see his/her world and understand it and act accordingly.

Imagine how 'unfortunate' it is that an adult should be told what to do and not do? Imagine a country whose citizens need to be told what to do, what to think, what to wear, wear what to dream... Imagine such a world. Are you so comfortable in doing it because you too are among the walking dead?

I suspect that many of us, me included, don't know how to question in worship. The sacred is held hostage by selfishness. To question instead seems like to destroy, to fight: and to be questioned is to be destroyed and invalidated.

Ethics must go beyond this psychology.
sparkly
#44 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2019 10:52:08 PM
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AlphDoti
#45 Posted : Thursday, August 08, 2019 2:13:35 PM
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