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Why dustbowl is the future
VituVingiSana
#281 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:24:41 AM
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sparkly wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
What more do Kenyans want to be told jameni? The tusupuu has spoken! If you have not got the memo yet, shauri ni yako na yako tu. Dustbowl is the future of Kenya for the wise ones. Rokota maploti, mabiashara, ma-apartments, ma-maisonettes hapo before you get locked out forever!





Kitengela, Juja dominate city satellite towns’ land sale in Q2



https://www.nation.co.ke...sNTwh5QMZtWDU9CaHsE3CfE

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Realtor, HassConsult’s Second Quarter Land Price Index report shows Kitengela controlled a 19.1 percent market share of the properties on sale followed by Ruiru at15.1 percent, Thika 9.4 percent with Ongata Rongai and Ngong tying at 7.9 percent.


Wonder why her employer bought Home Afrika shares instead of plots in DC.


https://www.google.com/a...asAMP-mbm8h0/index.html
The look on her face! Laughing out loudly I think Hass(anali) Consult is their firm.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#282 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:27:06 AM
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doubletap wrote:
hardwood wrote:
doubletap wrote:
Think the whole idea of buying a plot to build in an area with no facilities, far from your primary source of income is just a bad choice when you think that the time you spend commuting, schooling for your kids, security, access to amenities etc.

Think what needs to happen huko dustbowl is good developments 5,000 homes plus with shops, schools all the basics, done all over instead of quarter plots that cost a whole deal to develop.

So rent for 60k max would you be saving ama am looking at it all wrong? Off-course owning a house as an investment if your renting it out cash in


Let them transform DC one person at a time. Note that DC has malls, top banks, hospitals (branches of Aga Khan, Mater, Nairobi women etc), good schools, fibre internet etc. Also not everyone works at CBD, some work huko JKIA, companies, banks and institutions huko Mbs road and DC. DC may not have a sewer system yet but there's also no sewer in karen or runda and one makes do with a septic tank. For piped water you connect from kajiado water, EPZ or local boreholes.

https://biashara.co.ke/a...sonette-sale-kitengela/





Buying that 30m house is not good business(IMHO) if you plan to live in it as a family home. If i had the money would rent in Nairobi for 100k a month for 25years heck would pay two years in advance and invest the rest where i made the first 30m...

All depends on what your looking for...
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The orange house is ugly in my eye.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MugundaMan
#283 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44:08 AM
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vin wrote:
Hata kama dust bowl ni bibi yako umezidi. Is the only place you know or it is that you are the only investor there?Give people a break


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

If it would assuage your pain, I will happily keep quiet about DC, gently cry my way to my 800%+ gains in the bank on everything I own there since 2009 and engage in the vacuous polojo, gossip and peni mbili duni convos of the Sparkly, AA et al variety hapa Wazoo instead Laughing out loudly
MugundaMan
#284 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:47:42 AM
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NewMoney wrote:
Businessdaily wrote:
Sh1 million invested in buying land in Nairobi’s satellite towns a decade ago is now worth Sh8.81 million compared to Sh2.29 million invested in property (Nairobi’s suburb), Sh2.64 million (bonds), Sh1.35 million (savings) and a paltry Sh490,000 in equities,” said Hassconsult.



What people are ignoring here is the fact that the real estate gains quoted above happened between 2009 and 2011, at least over 60% of it, latest by 2013. Ask anyone who bought a DC plot in the last 5 years what they have gained over those years, it will be less than 10% per year. I wouldn't brag about that 8 fold growth in 10 years (23% per year) since it is impractical... only happens once in a century or something.

I think today is a great opportunity for both stocks and real estate. Because both of them have been down/flat for quite some time now, stocks have been down for even longer despite the good economic growth going around, so it is undeniable that there is an upside correction in the offing.


You are a true dreamer.
My friend, plots in Milimani, Yukos, Chuna, Muigai and surrounds have all shot up easily by between 200-500k this year alone, ma broda.
MugundaMan
#285 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:00:06 AM
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doubletap wrote:
Think the whole idea of buying a plot to build in an area [/b]with no facilities, far from your primary source of income [/b]is just a bad choice when you think that the time you spend commuting


Laughing out loudly
1. Who lied to you that everybody in DC is a struggling member of payslip nation that needs to commute to CBD daily?
2. "No facilities"??? Very funny!


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schooling for your kids, security, access to amenities etc.


1. Clearly you are someone who has never been to DC in ages. Have you been to Kitengela International? Nova Pioneer?
Security? Laughing out loudly Try invade my house my friend. Before you even ring my door bell you will have to pass a security check with the two askaris stationed at the main entrance to the gated community, evade the mobile patrol vehicles, scale over very high electrical fences with CCTV, break down heavy guage decorative steel doors and then accost Mugundaman behind said closed door with his massive sharp panga and sjambok waiting hapo hapo for you very happy to dispense instant justice.
2. Amenities? Laughing out loudly Again. Someone might not have been to Kitengela in a looooong time. Meet Mugundaman kila siku at Grays Oak Hotel poolside for brunch tukuambie amenities ni nini.

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Think what needs to happen huko dustbowl is good developments 5,000 homes plus with shops, schools all the basics, done all over instead of quarter plots that cost a whole deal to develop.

Laughing out loudly Again someone has never been to DC in decades. Plenty of these there my broddah. Tembea ujionee.

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So rent for 60k max would you be saving ama am looking at it all wrong? Off-course owning a house as an investment if your renting it out cash in


Yep you are looking at it all wrong. Any investor in DC Long Term, in ANYTHING that has real estate as its basis is really smiling all the way to the bank well into the forseeable future smile
doubletap
#286 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 5:49:14 PM
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You do sell plots so basically what you call a good idea is just self interest ama?

We are all in agreement that real estate as an investment is all good, but buying because others are doing it is not an investment plan. Am happy for you and what you have achieved for yourself, just don't make it personal that others would like the same thing.

Show us the plots, let us decide kama ni investment ama not?
You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else - Albert Einstein
MugundaMan
#287 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:12:27 PM
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doubletap wrote:
You do sell plots so basically what you call a good idea is just self interest ama?

We are all in agreement that real estate as an investment is all good, but buying because others are doing it is not an investment plan. Am happy for you and what you have achieved for yourself, just don't make it personal that others would like the same thing.

Show us the plots, let us decide kama ni investment ama not?



Rafiki, even if Mugundaman vanished off the face of the earth, do you think it would stop the DC superboom that is happening before our very eyes? Laughing out loudly
Of course not, papa. For the umpteenth time on wazua..Mugundaman does NOT sell plots. You simply CANNOT repeal the laws of economics (supply and demand) my blatha. Wakina Mugush did their research mingi years ago and all roads led to DC despite the fact that initially they were not interested at all in such a place. Swimming against the tide may seem like a courageous move but discretion is the better part of valour and smart people know when to bend like a reed when the evidence is overhwelming that an incredible opportunity to be taken advantage of with gusto has presented itself. Saying you do not want to invest in DC today (for whatever reason) and being happy about it is like a guy trading Mumias and being happy about it while the "stupid" tide buys DC real estate that is as RED HAWTT as Kenya's surging economy!
Angelica _ann
#288 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:54:01 PM
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Dust-bowl is not the only place you can own property in Kenya, world over. Also property is not the only investment, globally. You need to learn to listen and listen to learn.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
MugundaMan
#289 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2019 8:13:38 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Dust-bowl is not the only place you can own property in Kenya, world over. Also property is not the only investment, globally. You need to learn to listen and listen to learn.



And you need to learn how to reason smile
Who has ever disputed any of the things you have said above?
jamplu
#290 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:00:17 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
What more do Kenyans want to be told jameni? The tusupuu has spoken! If you have not got the memo yet, shauri ni yako na yako tu. Dustbowl is the future of Kenya for the wise ones. Rokota maploti, mabiashara, ma-apartments, ma-maisonettes hapo before you get locked out forever!





Kitengela, Juja dominate city satellite towns’ land sale in Q2



https://www.nation.co.ke...sNTwh5QMZtWDU9CaHsE3CfE

Quote:
Realtor, HassConsult’s Second Quarter Land Price Index report shows Kitengela controlled a 19.1 percent market share of the properties on sale followed by Ruiru at15.1 percent, Thika 9.4 percent with Ongata Rongai and Ngong tying at 7.9 percent.


Wonder why her employer bought Home Afrika shares instead of plots in DC.


https://www.google.com/a...asAMP-mbm8h0/index.html
The look on her face! Laughing out loudly I think Hass(anali) Consult is their firm.



Family business...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
MugundaMan
#291 Posted : Saturday, August 03, 2019 7:27:32 PM
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Mystery borehole gas in Dustbowl County might be natural gas after all
https://www.standardmedi...as-find-in-kajiado-farm
NOCK are wajanja in the way they have handled this. What can we say..DC might be supplying all of Kenya with natural gas in the coming decade should the tests prove positive.
Invest in DC or gnash teeth forever more my brathas and sistrens!
sparkly
#292 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2019 9:49:14 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
Mystery borehole gas in Dustbowl County might be natural gas after all
https://www.standardmedi...as-find-in-kajiado-farm
NOCK are wajanja in the way they have handled this. What can we say..DC might be supplying all of Kenya with natural gas in the coming decade should the tests prove positive.
Invest in DC or gnash teeth forever more my brathas and sistrens!



So we should buy plots in DC because of unproven gas find?


Why not buy for the limestone deposits already being mined at Athi River? Or the proven coal in Kitui, rare earth minerals at Kwale, gemstones in Taita Taveta, Gold in Kakamega, Flourspar in Kerio, soda ash at magadi or of course oil in Turkana?

@Mugundaman your loyalty to DC clouds your view too much. Pray for wisdom as you attend church today.
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MugundaMan
#293 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2019 8:18:07 PM
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Sunday, August 4, 2019

Roundup: Kenya's retail sector expanding as macro-economic environment improves


http://www.xinhuanet.com...9-07/16/c_138231746.htm

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NAIROBI, July 16 (Xinhua) -- Kenya's improving macro-economic environment is boosting the retail sector, with supermarkets leading businesses that have recorded expansion since the year started.

Analysts have noted that the 6.3 percent growth rate of the country's economy in 2018, which is 1.4 percentage points higher than that in 2017, has ensured that citizens have more disposable income, giving a boost to the retail sector.

Most of the international and local retailers in the east African nation are recording a boom, with the businesses opening new branches in the country and stiffening competition.

Naivas is the latest retail chain to open a new branch on the outskirts of Nairobi as it fights for the fast-growing middle-income market.

The local retailer opened its 53rd outlet in Ongata Rongai, a growing middle-income town in Kajiado County on the outskirts of the capital Nairobi.

"The continued expansion of local retailers is supported by the improving macroeconomic environment, increased disposable income as a result of an expanding middle class thus creating demand for goods and services," according to Cytonn, a Nairobi-based investment firm.

The firm noted that with gross domestic product per capita growing at 10.3 percent per annum over the last four years, from 125,756 Kenyan shillings (1,250 U.S. dollars) in 2014 to1,860 dollars in 2018, the retail sector is expanding.

According to Cytonn, the capital Nairobi's satellite towns hold the future of the expanding retail sector.

"These towns are increasingly presenting a viable opportunity to retailers due to low rental charges of 1.2 dollars per square feet as compared to the city centre average of 1.7 dollars," said Cytonn.

"Kenya's retail sector has been vibrant over the past few years, and would continue to attract interest from renowned international retailers as well as the robust expansion of local retailers," said Cytonn.

But even as the retail chains expand, they face competition from informal retail stalls and kiosks, which have over the years dominated the market and still do, according to Ernest Manuyo, a business lecturer at Pioneer Institute in Nairobi.

"Only 30 percent of Kenya's retail market is formal. Which means the kiosks still hold a huge market and the fact that they are readily accessible and some offer credit makes them appealing to consumers," he said.
Spikes
#294 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2019 10:44:50 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
Sunday, August 4, 2019

Roundup: Kenya's retail sector expanding as macro-economic environment improves


http://www.xinhuanet.com...9-07/16/c_138231746.htm

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NAIROBI, July 16 (Xinhua) -- Kenya's improving macro-economic environment is boosting the retail sector, with supermarkets leading businesses that have recorded expansion since the year started.

Analysts have noted that the 6.3 percent growth rate of the country's economy in 2018, which is 1.4 percentage points higher than that in 2017, has ensured that citizens have more disposable income, giving a boost to the retail sector.

Most of the international and local retailers in the east African nation are recording a boom, with the businesses opening new branches in the country and stiffening competition.

Naivas is the latest retail chain to open a new branch on the outskirts of Nairobi as it fights for the fast-growing middle-income market.

The local retailer opened its 53rd outlet in Ongata Rongai, a growing middle-income town in Kajiado County on the outskirts of the capital Nairobi.

"The continued expansion of local retailers is supported by the improving macroeconomic environment, increased disposable income as a result of an expanding middle class thus creating demand for goods and services," according to Cytonn, a Nairobi-based investment firm.

The firm noted that with gross domestic product per capita growing at 10.3 percent per annum over the last four years, from 125,756 Kenyan shillings (1,250 U.S. dollars) in 2014 to1,860 dollars in 2018, the retail sector is expanding.

According to Cytonn, the capital Nairobi's satellite towns hold the future of the expanding retail sector.

"These towns are increasingly presenting a viable opportunity to retailers due to low rental charges of 1.2 dollars per square feet as compared to the city centre average of 1.7 dollars," said Cytonn.

"Kenya's retail sector has been vibrant over the past few years, and would continue to attract interest from renowned international retailers as well as the robust expansion of local retailers," said Cytonn.

But even as the retail chains expand, they face competition from informal retail stalls and kiosks, which have over the years dominated the market and still do, according to Ernest Manuyo, a business lecturer at Pioneer Institute in Nairobi.

"Only 30 percent of Kenya's retail market is formal. Which means the kiosks still hold a huge market and the fact that they are readily accessible and some offer credit makes them appealing to consumers," he said.


@MugundaMan ulipata bibi? Last time you brought DC manenos to halt in a bid to search a woman saint...
How is your story?
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MugundaMan
#295 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2019 7:36:36 AM
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Did you know that Kajiado County tops the whole country in birth rates?
https://mobile.nation.co...5240-x869l9z/index.html
Do not be fooled by World Bank and IMF beberu ati high birth rate is a bad thing. China, and India at one point had the highest birth rates in the world and are now economic powerhouses. USA itself did not become a superpower until its population crossed the 100 million mark. Closer to home even though Nigeria has no economy worth speaking about outside the purview of oil, it is considered a "powerhouse" of west Africa simply because of the mighty population and the domestic demand it portends. This Kajiado County youth bulge dividend will be felt for decades to come!
watesh
#296 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2019 9:02:11 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
Did you know that Kajiado County tops the whole country in birth rates?
https://mobile.nation.co...5240-x869l9z/index.html
Do not be fooled by World Bank and IMF beberu ati high birth rate is a bad thing. China, and India at one point had the highest birth rates in the world and are now economic powerhouses. USA itself did not become a superpower until its population crossed the 100 million mark. Closer to home even though Nigeria has no economy worth speaking about outside the purview of oil, it is considered a "powerhouse" of west Africa simply because of the mighty population and the domestic demand it portends. This Kajiado County youth bulge dividend will be felt for decades to come!

As long the population growth rate is lower than the economic growth rate of the area otherwise all the problems that come with poverty make the place a nightmare to live in.
MugundaMan
#297 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2019 10:22:20 AM
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watesh wrote:

As long the population growth rate is lower than the economic growth rate of the area otherwise all the problems that come with poverty make the place a nightmare to live in.


Thats what IMF na WB have been drumming down your skulls for the past 70 years. Na not true oo! China in 1978 was a nation full of nothing worth writing home about. Its population was massive and outpaced gdp growth terribly. Yet economic output was third world quality. When they adopted de facto capitalism under Deng Xiaoping, the economy took off like gangbusters largely on the back of that massive population that IMF and WB had been crying was "too high" to the point that they crammed one child policy down the throats of china's leaders. Domestic demand is the bedrock of any functioning economy, my braddah. There is a reason why People like the late Total Man who had access to Mossad info via his wifey told Kenyans to discard family planning practices completely. Numbers mean both economic and geopolitical power and the big powers have always known this. This is why they keep telling you to panga uzazi
McGill
#298 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2019 1:23:02 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
watesh wrote:

As long the population growth rate is lower than the economic growth rate of the area otherwise all the problems that come with poverty make the place a nightmare to live in.


Thats what IMF na WB have been drumming down your skulls for the past 70 years. Na not true oo! China in 1978 was a nation full of nothing worth writing home about. Its population was massive and outpaced gdp growth terribly. Yet economic output was third world quality. When they adopted de facto capitalism under Deng Xiaoping, the economy took off like gangbusters largely on the back of that massive population that IMF and WB had been crying was "too high" to the point that they crammed one child policy down the throats of china's leaders. Domestic demand is the bedrock of any functioning economy, my braddah. There is a reason why People like the late Total Man who had access to Mossad info via his wifey told Kenyans to discard family planning practices completely. Numbers mean both economic and geopolitical power and the big powers have always known this. This is why they keep telling you to panga uzazi


So you would rather live in India than Seychelles? Per capita income, pollution na HDI manenos
MugundaMan
#299 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2019 3:06:34 PM
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McGill wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
watesh wrote:

As long the population growth rate is lower than the economic growth rate of the area otherwise all the problems that come with poverty make the place a nightmare to live in.


Thats what IMF na WB have been drumming down your skulls for the past 70 years. Na not true oo! China in 1978 was a nation full of nothing worth writing home about. Its population was massive and outpaced gdp growth terribly. Yet economic output was third world quality. When they adopted de facto capitalism under Deng Xiaoping, the economy took off like gangbusters largely on the back of that massive population that IMF and WB had been crying was "too high" to the point that they crammed one child policy down the throats of china's leaders. Domestic demand is the bedrock of any functioning economy, my braddah. There is a reason why People like the late Total Man who had access to Mossad info via his wifey told Kenyans to discard family planning practices completely. Numbers mean both economic and geopolitical power and the big powers have always known this. This is why they keep telling you to panga uzazi


So you would rather live in India than Seychelles? Per capita income, pollution na HDI manenos


Its not about comfort its about economic power and a long term future, my braddah. Seychelles has no long term future to speak of precisely because the population is low. In India as a businessperson you have a billion times more opportunities compared to in Seychelles where you can only sell to a few mamas in a crumbling local market. So the short answer is yes. Build economic power in India and then travel to Seychelles ten times a year just for fun's sake.
TNT
#300 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2019 5:56:45 PM
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MugundaMan wrote:
watesh wrote:

As long the population growth rate is lower than the economic growth rate of the area otherwise all the problems that come with poverty make the place a nightmare to live in.


Thats what IMF na WB have been drumming down your skulls for the past 70 years. Na not true oo! China in 1978 was a nation full of nothing worth writing home about. Its population was massive and outpaced gdp growth terribly. Yet economic output was third world quality. When they adopted de facto capitalism under Deng Xiaoping, the economy took off like gangbusters largely on the back of that massive population that IMF and WB had been crying was "too high" to the point that they crammed one child policy down the throats of china's leaders. Domestic demand is the bedrock of any functioning economy, my braddah. There is a reason why People like the late Total Man who had access to Mossad info via his wifey told Kenyans to discard family planning practices completely. Numbers mean both economic and geopolitical power and the big powers have always known this. This is why they keep telling you to panga uzazi


Centuries before Xiaoping was even born, China was poised to be a global superpower. In fact, by some accounts, had China not adopted it's "inwards" policy centuries ago, it would have easily conquered the world, thanks to it's naval technology, which was ahead of anything at the time. Note that China invented among other things gunpowder and many aspects of the modern banking system, including the bank note. In many ways, you can say that today China is simply living up to its potential post its "Century of Humiliation.”

Anyway, my point if, China did not necessarily become a global force due to it's large population. In fact, the wealthiest countries in the world are tiny countries with relatively small populations. Most countries with large populations are only good for cheap labor and setting up sweat shops. The Kajiado you speak of is only one drought away from "serikali saidia."
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