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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: KQ needs to work on its fares. I do hope KQLC get paid off. Comments are lit! Yes we are opting to use Ethiopian airlines or air Rwanda because KQ is soo much expensive
The only thing I enjoy with KQ is unlimited flow of πΊπ₯π» the rest of KQ service is πππ
Ensure that the new KQ will be headed by foreign CEO not kenyan bcoz we know ourselves en our love 4 corruption
Great initiative to ensure continuity of KQ. The culture needs to change to align with international standards in areas such as service delivery, customer service, route network, competitive prices, quality of services etc.
This guy is confused. I'll still fly Ethopian. KQ you have behaved so arrogant in the past your service is terrible.' You just can't come on tv a tell is the obvious. KQ sucks
Indeed the guy is confused.. To say that minority shareholders will be sold for a song and then KQLC shall be issued with bonds, simply sounds like borderline insanity.. Investor confidence will be irreparably broken at the NSE Questions: 1) What is KQ's NAV/share? 2) Why would investor confidence be irreparably broken? 3) Why should GoK compensate minority shareholders? 4) KQLC got guarantees. Did minorities get the same? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: KQ needs to work on its fares. I do hope KQLC get paid off. Comments are lit! Yes we are opting to use Ethiopian airlines or air Rwanda because KQ is soo much expensive
The only thing I enjoy with KQ is unlimited flow of πΊπ₯π» the rest of KQ service is πππ
Ensure that the new KQ will be headed by foreign CEO not kenyan bcoz we know ourselves en our love 4 corruption
Great initiative to ensure continuity of KQ. The culture needs to change to align with international standards in areas such as service delivery, customer service, route network, competitive prices, quality of services etc.
This guy is confused. I'll still fly Ethopian. KQ you have behaved so arrogant in the past your service is terrible.' You just can't come on tv a tell is the obvious. KQ sucks
Indeed the guy is confused.. To say that minority shareholders will be sold for a song and then KQLC shall be issued with bonds, simply sounds like borderline insanity.. Investor confidence will be irreparably broken at the NSE Watu watapewa bus fair ya kuja Nairobi ku sign transfer documents! How can people consistently buy a loss-making and insolvent company for seven years and hope to get anything out of it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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GoK,KLM, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can have two options...
1. Bonds to KQLC,KLM and
2. Cash to Minority shareholders
3. Option of 1 and 2 to any shareholder
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Possible if GoK and KLM and KQLC strike a deal separately...in that case minority shareholders will be left high and dry...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,558 Location: nairobi
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the deal wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Possible if GoK and KLM and KQLC strike a deal separately...in that case minority shareholders will be left high and dry... Thereβs nothing that can drive KQLC and KLM to strike an underhand deal of such a nature, noting that they were at the 07.08.2017 EGM
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,558 Location: nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: KQ needs to work on its fares. I do hope KQLC get paid off. Comments are lit! Yes we are opting to use Ethiopian airlines or air Rwanda because KQ is soo much expensive
The only thing I enjoy with KQ is unlimited flow of πΊπ₯π» the rest of KQ service is πππ
Ensure that the new KQ will be headed by foreign CEO not kenyan bcoz we know ourselves en our love 4 corruption
Great initiative to ensure continuity of KQ. The culture needs to change to align with international standards in areas such as service delivery, customer service, route network, competitive prices, quality of services etc.
This guy is confused. I'll still fly Ethopian. KQ you have behaved so arrogant in the past your service is terrible.' You just can't come on tv a tell is the obvious. KQ sucks
Indeed the guy is confused.. To say that minority shareholders will be sold for a song and then KQLC shall be issued with bonds, simply sounds like borderline insanity.. Investor confidence will be irreparably broken at the NSE Watu watapewa bus fair ya kuja Nairobi ku sign transfer documents! How can people consistently buy a loss-making and insolvent company for seven years and hope to get anything out of it? Why did KQLC come in just under 2 years ago to dilute minority shareholders and then GoK steps in to buy them out and conveniently forget that the shares held by KQLC are at our cost. Extremely dodgy reasoning
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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the deal wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Possible if GoK and KLM and KQLC strike a deal separately...in that case minority shareholders will be left high and dry... KQLC were coerced into buying shares. It may have seemed voluntary but the reality is that banks want their loans repaid and not shares in dying firms. So only KQLC should be bought out. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: KQ needs to work on its fares. I do hope KQLC get paid off. Comments are lit! Yes we are opting to use Ethiopian airlines or air Rwanda because KQ is soo much expensive
The only thing I enjoy with KQ is unlimited flow of πΊπ₯π» the rest of KQ service is πππ
Ensure that the new KQ will be headed by foreign CEO not kenyan bcoz we know ourselves en our love 4 corruption
Great initiative to ensure continuity of KQ. The culture needs to change to align with international standards in areas such as service delivery, customer service, route network, competitive prices, quality of services etc.
This guy is confused. I'll still fly Ethopian. KQ you have behaved so arrogant in the past your service is terrible.' You just can't come on tv a tell is the obvious. KQ sucks
Indeed the guy is confused.. To say that minority shareholders will be sold for a song and then KQLC shall be issued with bonds, simply sounds like borderline insanity.. Investor confidence will be irreparably broken at the NSE Watu watapewa bus fair ya kuja Nairobi ku sign transfer documents! How can people consistently buy a loss-making and insolvent company for seven years and hope to get anything out of it? Why did KQLC come in just under 2 years ago to dilute minority shareholders and then GoK steps in to buy them out and conveniently forget that the shares held by KQLC are at our cost. Extremely dodgy reasoning 1) KQLC didn't voluntarily exchange loans for shares. Banks like to be repaid in cash not shares - especially so in loss-making firms with negative equity. 2) KQ was insolvent when the DE conversion happened. KQLC were conned. 3) KQ's was bankrupt before the DE Conversion. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Bond, What bond? Is he suggesting; 1. That the KQLC banks be given GOK Treasury bonds for their shares in KQ; or 2. KQ to issue corporate bonds to KQLC banks in lieu of the the shares. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Bond, What bond? Is he suggesting; 1. That the KQLC banks be given GOK Treasury bonds for their shares in KQ; or 2. KQ to issue corporate bonds to KQLC banks in lieu of the the shares. 1. Acceptable 2. Waste of time. Requires a 100% provision. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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obiero wrote:the deal wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Possible if GoK and KLM and KQLC strike a deal separately...in that case minority shareholders will be left high and dry... Thereβs nothing that can drive KQLC and KLM to strike an underhand deal of such a nature, noting that they were at the 07.08.2017 EGM Now that the end of course examinations are around the corner, its time to do thorough revisions. I speak from coded experience and not 8-4-4 or cbc or cpc   Let me leave this one here(P.G is advisd) https://photos.app.goo.gl/c11aLRp7bD6LREsi9,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:the deal wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Possible if GoK and KLM and KQLC strike a deal separately...in that case minority shareholders will be left high and dry... Thereβs nothing that can drive KQLC and KLM to strike an underhand deal of such a nature, noting that they were at the 07.08.2017 EGM Now that the end of course examinations are around the corner, its time to do thorough revisions. I speak from coded experience and not 8-4-4 or cbc or cpc Let me leave this one here(P.G is advisd) https://photos.app.goo.gl/c11aLRp7bD6LREsi9  I am glad I am not the guy in the lurch! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Bond, What bond? Is he suggesting; 1. That the KQLC banks be given GOK Treasury bonds for their shares in KQ; or 2. KQ to issue corporate bonds to KQLC banks in lieu of the the shares. From his speech,it seems he means a treasury bond. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Bond, What bond? Is he suggesting; 1. That the KQLC banks be given GOK Treasury bonds for their shares in KQ; or 2. KQ to issue corporate bonds to KQLC banks in lieu of the the shares. From his speech,it seems he means a treasury bond. His speech is nothing - neither here nor there. What matters is what his committee wrote in the report. The bond is NOT one of the recommendations! It is just a passing observation. Like I said: kuna watu watajua hawajui!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Bond, What bond? Is he suggesting; 1. That the KQLC banks be given GOK Treasury bonds for their shares in KQ; or 2. KQ to issue corporate bonds to KQLC banks in lieu of the the shares. From his speech,it seems he means a treasury bond. His speech is nothing - neither here nor there. What matters is what his committee wrote in the report. The bond is NOT one of the recommendations! It is just a passing observation. Like I said: kuna watu watajua hawajui! Pkosing is very confused. He doesn't understand what national carrier status means. Whoever told him that KQ must be 100% government owned to enjoy incentives and tax subsidies did him a huge disservice. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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sparkly wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:the deal wrote:GoK, KQLC and ME both hold the same class of shares...so GoK will make an offer...I don't think the banks will accept a haircut...question is how does broke GoK pay us? They can issue bonds to KQLC,KLM and Minority shareholders... Your dreams are valid. Minority shareholders will take a loss while KQLC will be given a 10 year bond. Bond, What bond? Is he suggesting; 1. That the KQLC banks be given GOK Treasury bonds for their shares in KQ; or 2. KQ to issue corporate bonds to KQLC banks in lieu of the the shares. From his speech,it seems he means a treasury bond. His speech is nothing - neither here nor there. What matters is what his committee wrote in the report. The bond is NOT one of the recommendations! It is just a passing observation. Like I said: kuna watu watajua hawajui! Pkosing is very confused. He doesn't understand what national carrier status means. Whoever told him that KQ must be 100% government owned to enjoy incentives and tax subsidies did him a huge disservice. He's an MP.By doing that report he has been paid an allowance Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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Pkosing said they'll spend about Ksh 800 million to buy out minority shareholders
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