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Chicken Vs Dividend Yielding Stocks
rasilio
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:16:47 AM
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In my short life I have discovered only three investment vehicles that increase my income as I age

1. Animals - they give birth naturally
2. commercial property - tenants pay your mortgage and increase the value of your property, and
3. dividend yielding stocks

option 2 is not viable in Kenya unless there is a new constitution. Or unless i have pirate pesa.

I have already crunched my numbers for animals and especially chicken, cows and goats/sheep and I love the numbers.

I now need to figure out which kenyan stocks can make a good portfolio for dividend yielding stocks. This is what I am looking for

1. low debt ratio
2. dividends from earnings not debt
3. growing dividend yields
4. not a growth stocks....I don't believe in them and never will.
5. rate of return in terms of value and dividends higher than inflation rate

any good ideas?
KulaRaha
#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:59:13 AM
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:45:56 PM
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SCBK and if only somebody beats sense into tea companies board of directors...
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:10:28 PM
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Total is consistent
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atiriri
#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:24:49 PM
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I like BAT. They give dividends three times in a year. KBL they give dividends twice a year. BBK twice.
kyukkamba
#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:00:15 PM
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atiriri wrote:
I like BAT. They give dividends three times in a year. KBL they give dividends twice a year. BBK twice.


Is it the number of times or the value?? anyway u have picked great companies...they work both ways ..value and dividends.
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rasilio
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:55:08 PM
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nashukuru sana...I will look at them over the next week.
gladiator
#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:15:02 AM
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I did some analysis on best dividend stocks btw 2001 & 2009 (I have not updated it yet for 2010) and the best stocks in terms of growing dividend yields were

1. NMG (40%)
2. EABL (30%)
3. Kenol (36%)*
4. CMC (37%)
5. DTBK (25%)

The reason that some stocks with lower percentages like EABL are higher is because I penalized stocks that had reduced or non-existent dividend payouts during certain years.

I also penalized stocks like SCBK and Total which are mentioned here because even though their absolute dividend yield is higher on initial purchase, the relative growth of the dividend yield over the years was low and also their capital gains were much lower.

Hope that helps. Using this analysis, I invested in NMG, EABL and DTBK back in 2006 and have been impressed with the return of my portfolio. (I trade other stocks but the initial investment in these 3 stocks, I have held steady)

P.S. Good thing you brought this subject up, I need to update the figures for 2010 :)
rasilio
#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:26:57 AM
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thanks a lot gladiator. one of the reasons that companies have some years of non-existent dividend is a poor debt earnings ratio. I was going to run those stocks through that and you saved me quite a lot of time bearing in mind I don't have any info on these stocks.

if you finish the 2010 research, can you please send it to me? I wouldn't mind contributing to the kitty.

i know from experience that owning a good dividend paying portfolio is a sure winner in stock investing. leave the growth stocks to those with the stomach for it.

Another question...are there Kenyan companies that offer DRIPs and is there a market place to buy companies that are not listed on the NSE?
Govmusili
#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:48:07 AM
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rasilio, ive been thinking about investing in broiler chiken 4 a while since uve already cranked the numbers sii u help me out with some details i.e costs, benefits
rasilio
#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:22:50 AM
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govmusilli

i love living a quiet life and let my money work for me. I don't broiler chicken makes my life any easier. In fact, the chicken are stressed and so are you.

I am more into range chicken. You let the chicken do what they know best. ie eat grass, bugs and give birth...Naturally.

Believe me, it is stress free and you have fun.

My advice is go into free range chicken. It pays handsomely. Go to kenchic, get that hybro they have. Just buy 50 and let them loose on your farm. buy another 50 of their so called hybrid layers. GEt a few kienyeji males about 6. Mix them and let them be.

it has two advantages, the chicken will give you manure for your farm and they will continue multiplying.

I started with 100 which I bought for my mom in december before I came back. the flock is now some 500 Now I have about 300 eggs a day. so its now self sustaining.

My costs
0 for drugs
4000 for feeds that I supplement
10000 for a number of chicken houses
a few thousands to make people in my village happy.

Stress free and happy.

the same with dividend stocks. I choose a company I like. I actually visit the companies before I buy them. If i like the receptionist, I may buy.

I then let other people work their asses for me and speculator drive the price higher.

Honestly, I use nature as an example of all my investment decisions. Try it...You will be very surprised.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:09:58 PM
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Now that is what we call stress free. Bamburi also pays good dividend. Personally I prefer dividends paid once a year; that way I have less tracking to do. It is the value of the dividend that matters not the number of times it is paid in a year.
redondo
#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:01:43 PM
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rasilio wrote:
In my short life I have discovered only three investment vehicles that increase my income as I age

1. Animals - they give birth naturally
2. commercial property - tenants pay your mortgage and increase the value of your property, and
3. dividend yielding stocks

option 2 is not viable in Kenya unless there is a new constitution. Or unless i have pirate pesa.



@ rasilio, i like your way of thinking- let your money work for you.

i beg to differ with your coment on option 2. A few people have the option of using option 2.

A friend of mine who works for a bank, got a mortgage at 7%, bought a house 20 kms from Nairobi.
Her monthly repayment is 24K while she charges her tenant 25k per month. VOILA!
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:32:00 PM
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redondo wrote:


A friend of mine who works for a bank, got a mortgage at 7%, bought a house 20 kms from Nairobi.
Her monthly repayment is 24K while she charges her tenant 25k per month. VOILA!


1) Did she put down a downpayment? [There is an opportunity cost]
2) She works for a bank & gets a 'special' rate. We would have to pay 2x.
3) Even GoK for 'longer-term' bonds pays 7%+ so... So who is going to lend to you (or me) at 7%?
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rasilio
#15 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:32:33 PM
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vituvingi..you got the words right out of my mouth. I believe the kenya property market is really not what i consider stress free investing. even if i bought the property, do i get a title, is it a certificate, is the land grabbed, is the agent honest? just too many issues for me to consider it viable for my plans. If i was buying to live in it, i would consider it but i'm not impressed with kenyan property.

however, i can buy shares in a company that deals with property or buys property to work on. that way, I am buying property but the company is dealing with all the headaches.
redondo
#16 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:29:09 PM
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@ rasilio i get the drift but you quite cant run away from being involved at least at the earlier stage of whichever investment vehicle you use.

Property will require you to do due diligence and establish the authenticity of the title.

Even what you are posting here is part of your own investigation of a good company to buy
rasilio
#17 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:49:54 PM
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redondo forgive me if I don't put kenyan property in the same level as property in the world in general. I don't think I would be the first investor to have their buildings stripped down because someone grabbed some land sometime ago.

I am not looking for a debate on the pros or cons of property in kenya or a bubble or not. Property in Kenya is not part of my investing goal even if its profitable for some. I was just looking for dividend stocks as they are more palatable.
guru267
#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:48:22 PM
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try mumias and KPLC....
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Chaka
#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:49:46 PM
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@Gladiator,
Do you have a list of companies on the other end of the scale i.e with diminishing dividend yields?
Of course NBK has nor paid a dividend for many years and wonder whether it has any prospects

@rasilio,
I like your approach

rasilio wrote:

the same with dividend stocks. I choose a company I like. I actually visit the companies before I buy them. If i like the receptionist, I may buy.



When visiting these companies,what do you tell the receptionist...that you went there to check her out?

youcan'tstopusnow
#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:07:05 PM
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What if you don't like the receptionist, male or female?
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