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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:For each KES 1 move I either gain or loose KES 221,100.. High risk, high return Na watu wa Home Afrika? HAFR will never rise above KES 1 Which means HAFR is higher risk than KQ, right? Not necessarily...depends on alot of variables. If @Obiero losses 1 bob on KQ, that is 25% of his investment. If I lose 67 cts on HAFR, that is 100% of my investment. Clearly HAFR is a riskier investment. It is easier for Obiero to lose 100% of his KQ holdings coz no one gives a shiet about minority shareholders in KQ...unlike HAFR whose minority got some voice. You are slightly right.. Only your language fails you.. It's a problem with most single people Remember other shareholders hold 51.1% shareholding in KQ. KQLC and KLM along with majority of the so called minority shareholders are wealthy women and men. A buyout has to be at a solid price or we shall buyout GoK!
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:For each KES 1 move I either gain or loose KES 221,100.. High risk, high return Na watu wa Home Afrika? HAFR will never rise above KES 1 Which means HAFR is higher risk than KQ, right? Not necessarily...depends on alot of variables. If @Obiero losses 1 bob on KQ, that is 25% of his investment. If I lose 67 cts on HAFR, that is 100% of my investment. Clearly HAFR is a riskier investment. It is easier for Obiero to lose 100% of his KQ holdings coz no one gives a shiet about minority shareholders in KQ...unlike HAFR whose minority got some voice. You are slightly right.. Only your language fails you.. It's a problem with most single people Remember other shareholders hold 51.1% shareholding in KQ. KQLC and KLM along with majority of the so called minority shareholders are wealthy women and men. A buyout has to be at a solid price or we shall buyout GoK! KLM are willing to relinquish their stake at any cost even if it's at ksh.1 and get out of KQ. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:The 2 Embraers have been written off... It was that bad. Replacements on the way from Rio From Eastern Europe...Just wait for the scandal... SM might leave before Dec. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:For each KES 1 move I either gain or loose KES 221,100.. High risk, high return Na watu wa Home Afrika? HAFR will never rise above KES 1 Which means HAFR is higher risk than KQ, right? Not necessarily...depends on alot of variables. If @Obiero losses 1 bob on KQ, that is 25% of his investment. If I lose 67 cts on HAFR, that is 100% of my investment. Clearly HAFR is a riskier investment. It is easier for Obiero to lose 100% of his KQ holdings coz no one gives a shiet about minority shareholders in KQ...unlike HAFR whose minority got some voice. You are slightly right.. Only your language fails you.. It's a problem with most single people Remember other shareholders hold 51.1% shareholding in KQ. KQLC and KLM along with majority of the so called minority shareholders are wealthy women and men. A buyout has to be at a solid price or we shall buyout GoK! KLM are willing to relinquish their stake at any cost even if it's at ksh.1 and get out of KQ. Naive
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 1,635
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:For each KES 1 move I either gain or loose KES 221,100.. High risk, high return Na watu wa Home Afrika? HAFR will never rise above KES 1 Which means HAFR is higher risk than KQ, right? Not necessarily...depends on alot of variables. If @Obiero losses 1 bob on KQ, that is 25% of his investment. If I lose 67 cts on HAFR, that is 100% of my investment. Clearly HAFR is a riskier investment. It is easier for Obiero to lose 100% of his KQ holdings coz no one gives a shiet about minority shareholders in KQ...unlike HAFR whose minority got some voice. You are slightly right.. Only your language fails you.. It's a problem with most single people Remember other shareholders hold 51.1% shareholding in KQ. KQLC and KLM along with majority of the so called minority shareholders are wealthy women and men. A buyout has to be at a solid price or we shall buyout GoK! KLM are willing to relinquish their stake at any cost even if it's at ksh.1 and get out of KQ. Naive Why don't KLM appoint a CEO and get back KQ to profitability?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:The 2 Embraers have been written off... It was that bad. Replacements on the way from Rio From Eastern Europe...Just wait for the scandal... SM might leave before Dec. Embraer from Eastern Europe??
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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FUNKY wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:For each KES 1 move I either gain or loose KES 221,100.. High risk, high return Na watu wa Home Afrika? HAFR will never rise above KES 1 Which means HAFR is higher risk than KQ, right? Not necessarily...depends on alot of variables. If @Obiero losses 1 bob on KQ, that is 25% of his investment. If I lose 67 cts on HAFR, that is 100% of my investment. Clearly HAFR is a riskier investment. It is easier for Obiero to lose 100% of his KQ holdings coz no one gives a shiet about minority shareholders in KQ...unlike HAFR whose minority got some voice. You are slightly right.. Only your language fails you.. It's a problem with most single people Remember other shareholders hold 51.1% shareholding in KQ. KQLC and KLM along with majority of the so called minority shareholders are wealthy women and men. A buyout has to be at a solid price or we shall buyout GoK! KLM are willing to relinquish their stake at any cost even if it's at ksh.1 and get out of KQ. Naive Why don't KLM appoint a CEO and get back KQ to profitability? Conflict of interest.. Remember KQ success could affect Air France-KLM
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:The 2 Embraers have been written off... It was that bad. Replacements on the way from Rio From Eastern Europe...Just wait for the scandal... SM might leave before Dec. Scandal why?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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nairobby wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:The 2 Embraers have been written off... It was that bad. Replacements on the way from Rio From Eastern Europe...Just wait for the scandal... SM might leave before Dec. Scandal why? You know @maka thoughts towards his national carrier.. Don't give him room
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:FUNKY wrote:obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:For each KES 1 move I either gain or loose KES 221,100.. High risk, high return Na watu wa Home Afrika? HAFR will never rise above KES 1 Which means HAFR is higher risk than KQ, right? Not necessarily...depends on alot of variables. On KQ.. A revival plan has been drawn out backed by GoK cabinet paper.. Jubilee is the majority party. Handshake is in effect. A sale will be done at a price not less than KES 8.52.. That's a guarantee I met one relationship ship manager of SBG yesterday and he said KQ minority shareholders will be worst hit if government buys out.. They might end up receiving between shs 1-1.50.. That's 1-1.50 more than the shares are worth. The converted debt was cold hard cash.. KQ was given a lifeline by KQLC. How no one sees this is amusing And KQLC have a signed deed that irrespective of prevailing share price of kq they can only be paid off at minimum sh.8.52 Then I vote for GoK to buy out KQLC immediately.  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:Impunity wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:For each KES 1 move I either gain or loose KES 221,100.. High risk, high return Na watu wa Home Afrika? HAFR will never rise above KES 1 Which means HAFR is higher risk than KQ, right? Not necessarily...depends on alot of variables. If @Obiero losses 1 bob on KQ, that is 25% of his investment. If I lose 67 cts on HAFR, that is 100% of my investment. Clearly HAFR is a riskier investment. It is easier for Obiero to lose 100% of his KQ holdings coz no one gives a shiet about minority shareholders in KQ...unlike HAFR whose minority got some voice. You are slightly right.. Only your language fails you.. It's a problem with most single people Remember other shareholders hold 51.1% shareholding in KQ. KQLC and KLM along with majority of the so called minority shareholders are wealthy women and men. A buyout has to be at a solid price or we shall buyout GoK! Please do so ASAP. I will convince KQLC to take your offer of 8.52/share and walk away. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:The 2 Embraers have been written off... It was that bad. Replacements on the way from Rio From Eastern Europe...Just wait for the scandal... SM might leave before Dec. Why would Mikosz leave b4 December 31st? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Impunity wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:The 2 Embraers have been written off... It was that bad. Replacements on the way from Rio From Eastern Europe...Just wait for the scandal... SM might leave before Dec. Why would Mikosz leave b4 December 31st? Never ever would that occur. Remember Ngunze hanging on, post-dismissal date?
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:The 2 Embraers have been written off... It was that bad. Replacements on the way from Rio From Eastern Europe...Just wait for the scandal... SM might leave before Dec. Why would Mikosz leave b4 December 31st? Never ever would that occur. Remember Ngunze hanging on, post-dismissal date? Hanging on post dismissal date is a trend common with Africans Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Announcement of the Open Offer will cause a gold rush.. Watch and learn
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:Announcement of the Open Offer will cause a gold rush.. Watch and learn Thought you said you are not Jesus ☺☺☺ Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:Announcement of the Open Offer will cause a gold rush.. Watch and learn Thought you said you are not Jesus ☺☺☺ I'm not, but he is my Father!
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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Admitting your mistakes is not a sign of weakness https://www.businessdail...160896-p6ojr2/index.htmlGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Lovely article.. Irrelevant to the thread, but well written
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Lovely article.. Irrelevant to the thread, but well written True. Not relevant to the thread  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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