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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way 
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Dream team 
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote: What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Everybody but the shareholders make money off KQ. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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IATA predicts yet another year of losses for African airlines https://www.businessdail...4984-adv7taz/index.html
African airlines need to consolidate but the politics and nationalism isn't going to allow this to happen. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! Jameni, wacha mtu apambane na hali yake. Nimejaribu kusaidia jamaa lakini it's not worth the hassle. If some useless idiots, in banks I have shares in, had not approved loans to KQ I would not be bothered with this thread. Now they have shares in KQ.  NIC, I&M, Equity.  Respect to BBK, SCBK, Citi and Stanbic who did not lend to KQ.  Of course, I also have 1/50,000,000 ownership of the shares and loans that Treasury has in KQ.  I wish we could short stocks in Kenya but given we cannot, spend your time wisely on other matters. Let me sign off KQ for now and move onto analyzing Centum whose FY 2018-19 results are imminent. I also have Kenya Re, I&M and Unga to keep an eye. They are profitable, pay dividends and have decent growth prospects. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! Jameni, wacha mtu apambane na hali yake. Nimejaribu kusaidia jamaa lakini it's not worth the hassle. If some useless idiots, in banks I have shares in, had not approved loans to KQ I would not be bothered with this thread. Now they have shares in KQ. NIC, I&M, Equity. Respect to BBK, SCBK, Citi and Stanbic who did not lend to KQ. Of course, I also have 1/50,000,000 ownership of the shares and loans that Treasury has in KQ. I wish we could short stocks in Kenya but given we cannot, spend your time wisely on other matters. Let me sign off KQ for now and move onto analyzing Centum whose FY 2018-19 results are imminent. I also have Kenya Re, I&M and Unga to keep an eye. They are profitable, pay dividends and have decent growth prospects. Nenda salama mzee
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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VituVingiSana wrote:nairobby wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:Impunity wrote:nairobby wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/turning-around-KQ-tough-task-Mikosz/539546-5141550-13u11tz/index.html
“The Dreamliner aircraft that KQ bought are not fully utilised except on New York route. It does not make sense to have such huge equipment and have them only ply connecting hubs like Amsterdam or Heathrow then come back to Nairobi,” says an expert who sought anonymity because he is consulting for the airline.
Surely this statement isn't true. Who are these experts BD keeps calling for a comment? AMS & LHR are KQ's best performing 787 routes and isn't JFK loss making at the moment? Asshole experts with zero knowledge of what they are talking about. Nincompoops. That's why they go unnamed... Hehe. Hio nayo ni ukweli. Like AMS & LHR are a short distance? Even a Beijing frequency coming up with the returned Oman Air 787! Remember your promise for 10th bro. I owe you an aged one.. 12 years minimum I thought the last to be returned from Oman Air this month will head to Rome & Geneva? I believe the person being quoted by the BD reporter meant the utilization rate. It is low for KQ due to lack of cockpit crew and long haul routes. Hope the new CEO will continue the network expansion. A well-run airline should have its (as full as possible) planes in the air as much as possible. How long are the planes that fly NBO-LHR/AMS/CDG in the air over a 24-hour period? How long does a KQ plane remain on the ground at LHR and AMS and CDG before it is on its way back to NBO? How long does a KQ plane remain on the ground in NBO before it is on its way back to LHR/AMS/CDG? About 2 Hrs in LHR/AMS/CDG. KQ generally utilizes their aircraft pretty well, quick turn around times. In NBO it depends because they have about 5 dreamliners landing each morning from BKK, LHR, AMS, DXB & JFK. These will then be used for the outbound to JHB, LHR, AMS, Mumbai sometimes and the afternoon flight to JHB & DXB. Max turnaround time is maybe 4 hours from my estimation. Did this happen under Ngunze or Mikosz? Started under Ngunze. Before they sold the prime LHR morning landing slot the plane would be parked at LHR for 12 hours before doing the return flight to NBO
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! The graph is nice to look at but has zero predictive value. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! The graph is nice to look at but has zero predictive value. To an outsider it looks just like another graph, but to the shareholder it shows an evident turnaround with visible results.. A profit will print especially fueled by the government response to the Pkosing report. Tax breaks will save the airline an estimated annual expense of upto KES 8B
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2009 Posts: 256
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obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! The graph is nice to look at but has zero predictive value. To an outsider it looks just like another graph, but to the shareholder it shows an evident turnaround with visible results.. A profit will print especially fueled by the government response to the Pkosing report. Tax breaks will save the airline an estimated annual expense of upto KES 8B Perhaps you could elaborate on how KQ will benefit from "Tax breaks". Unless KRA exempts them from VAT (Consumption tax), I cannot think of any other Tax break that would benefit them. They need to make profits to benefit from a Corporate Tax break.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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VituVingiSana wrote:hardwood wrote: What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Everybody but the shareholders make money off KQ. True. The awards are actually "bad" for the shareholder since they will be a justification for the workers/pilots (and directors) to ask for more pay putting the airline in more financial trouble.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Monk wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! The graph is nice to look at but has zero predictive value. To an outsider it looks just like another graph, but to the shareholder it shows an evident turnaround with visible results.. A profit will print especially fueled by the government response to the Pkosing report. Tax breaks will save the airline an estimated annual expense of upto KES 8B Perhaps you could elaborate on how KQ will benefit from "Tax breaks". Unless KRA exempts them from VAT (Consumption tax), I cannot think of any other Tax break that would benefit them. They need to make profits to benefit from a Corporate Tax break. It's a wide array my friend.. All inputs are taxed including jet fuel that was previously exempt. Note also airport charges are currently paid to KRA.. Finally if you have flown, you will note tax on each ticket cost
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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obiero wrote:Dream team Daydreamers with zero experience on how an airline is run. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Impunity wrote:obiero wrote:Dream team Daydreamers with zero experience on how an airline is run. There's no better team to lead the turnaround.. A stellar board.. AGM 10th. Tukutane Pride Centre
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:What shareholders want is money in their pockets, not awards. Kwani watakula awards? Money is coming and in a big way Don't be complacent and think everyday the graph will head north...A sharp reversal is also a possibility. Your capital is at risk! The graph is nice to look at but has zero predictive value. To an outsider it looks just like another graph, but to the shareholder it shows an evident turnaround with visible results.. A profit will print especially fueled by the government response to the Pkosing report. Tax breaks will save the airline an estimated annual expense of upto KES 8B It's not even making enough money for suppliers and financiers. The road to making money for shareholders is a looong one. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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Let me leave this here. https://www.businessdail...47658-3tlubtz/index.htmlGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=VituVingiSana]Let me leave this here. https://www.businessdail...7658-3tlubtz/index.html[/quote] Shida kila mahali... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,559 Location: nairobi
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Legacy.. Never blame your forefathers for lack of height
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