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The structure and design of humans
tycho
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2019 4:36:28 PM
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What's your model?

And how did you get the model?
Thitifini
#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 01, 2019 12:13:15 AM
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Tycho. Definitely Tycho.

60% Learning, 30% synthesizing, 10% Debating
tycho
#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 01, 2019 8:36:30 AM
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Thitifini wrote:
Tycho. Definitely Tycho.


Tycho isn't the only tormented soul around here is he?

Anyway, how do you know who your friends and your enemies are?

The Darwinian model is hopeless for such matters, the Judeo - Christian model is so vague and 'useless'. Indian philosophy has a promising but incomplete model...

Little wonder life is so dark nowadays...
tycho
#4 Posted : Saturday, May 04, 2019 12:44:13 PM
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The architecture of the human has been elusive because philosophy has gone through decay and rarely will we find philosophy and science residing in the same person.

At least during the Renaissance such people existed, but we know how history elapsed. By the time of Hume, down through Hegel to the present, philosophy resides with the swine just like the prodigal son.
Frirenn
#5 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 8:29:55 PM
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Bro are you speaking with yourself constantly this time ? What does it really means ? It's something wrong on the very very common sense level, please stop it if you really can. Thanks in advance for all that stuff though. I hope you are well.
Wakanyugi
#6 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 8:49:06 PM
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tycho wrote:
What's your model?

And how did you get the model?


Unlike cars, which we pick by how slick, how fast it can go, how many chicks you can attract, many humans pick their earth vehicle by the challenges it makes them overcome.

For therein lies the key reason for our being here. For being human.

To find joy in lack, meaning in bitterness and love in the depths of the deepest hate.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#7 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 7:25:12 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:
What's your model?

And how did you get the model?


Unlike cars, which we pick by how slick, how fast it can go, how many chicks you can attract, many humans pick their earth vehicle by the challenges it makes them overcome.

For therein lies the key reason for our being here. For being human.

To find joy in lack, meaning in bitterness and love in the depths of the deepest hate.


I've been interested in the history of human understanding of itself(himself?) and there seems to be a structure or model that has stood the test of time. Maybe there is a logical trend to all these thoughts and struggle for meaning and a definite end to history...
AlphDoti
#8 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 8:19:20 AM
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Part of the Body - Number of Joints

Skull 86
Throat and Neck 6
Thorax 66
Spine and Pelvis 76
Hands, Arms and Fingers 64
Legs, Feet and Toes 62
Wakanyugi
#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 11:32:48 AM
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tycho wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
tycho wrote:
What's your model?

And how did you get the model?


Unlike cars, which we pick by how slick, how fast it can go, how many chicks you can attract, many humans pick their earth vehicle by the challenges it makes them overcome.

For therein lies the key reason for our being here. For being human.

To find joy in lack, meaning in bitterness and love in the depths of the deepest hate.


I've been interested in the history of human understanding of itself(himself?) and there seems to be a structure or model that has stood the test of time. Maybe there is a logical trend to all these thoughts and struggle for meaning and a definite end to history...


You need to separate the human being from the human body. They are not one and the same. The earth suit we wear (optimized only for parts of this planet and nowhere else) is a tool for 'acting human' (human being).

Who/what is the entity that is being/acting human? Why?

Therein lies the foundation of your model.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 12:20:41 PM
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Let me begin by noting that our subject is not only an ancient one, but that it has never been met with consensus. Even among the thinkers who inform my thought a shared foundation has spawned both monism and dualism. I believe that your argument is dualist in nature.

On the other hand, I believe that the body also entails the human and that such a separation is a misconception whose origins I believe are explicable.

Allow me to start from history. Since the temple of Amun-Ra and deeper into the past, to the time when my first teacher in the 80's taught me, the universe was made of atoms and the basic atom was symbolized by the circle. Later investigation on other continents reveals the same foundations of human understanding.

The most clear explication of this idea have been made by the Indian philosophical traditions in their variety, and at least by the Pythagorean and Jewish tradition.

By means of geometry the universe is shown to be an atom, and within it, many atoms that are of similar structure and function. And by extension, humans are such an atom.

The forms we see are expressions of the primal atom according to energic levels and logic of the interactions of the diverse forms of atoms expressing the fundamental atom.

Therefore we can not be correct when we argue that there is a dualism in nature.
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