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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Iran went through a similar change when the Ayatollah took over...women even protested being forced to wear Hijab. https://www.bbc.com/news...ld-middle-east-47032829
Of course you'll claim this is Western propaganda. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism. It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so. Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. YOu are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation? So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul. Alpha.. Any culture taking over another in the name of religion is wrong, period, Whether Western culture or Arabian culture. I grew up with many Somalis who dressed in their cultural dress. Those were some of the best practising muslims I ever saw. Ever since they switched to the hijab ( arabic dress)... thats a story for another day. Let us differentiate RELIGION and CULTURE I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Kumbe it's Uncle Sam who promoted the spread of radical islam. So @alphdoti & co are just pawns in the big geopolitical war game. https://www.rt.com/news/...bism-western-countries/
https://www.globalresear...ern-imperialism/5642047
Spread of Wahhabism was done at request of West during Cold War – Saudi crown prince Quote:The Saudi-funded spread of Wahhabism began as a result of Western countries asking Riyadh to help counter the Soviet Union during the Cold War, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told the Washington Post. Speaking to the paper, bin Salman said that Saudi Arabia's Western allies urged the country to invest in mosques and madrassas overseas during the Cold War, in an effort to prevent encroachment in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union. Quote:The essence of the Wahabi dogma was and still is, extremely simple: “Religious leaders would force the people into terrible, irrational fear and consequent submission. No criticism of the religion is allowed;no questioning of its essence and particularly of the conservative and archaic interpretation of the Book. Once conditioned this way, people stopped questioning and criticizing first the feudalist, and later capitalist oppression; they also accepted without blinking the plunder of their natural resources by local and foreign masters. All attempts to build a socialist and egalitarian society got deterred, brutally, ‘in the name of Islam’ and ‘in the name of God’”.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:Surprisingly most Somalis appreciate Al shaabab for putting a leash on secularism. It's the men who are happy when women are subjugated under the guise of religion. In 1970s women could drive in Mogadishu but today in 2019 they are not allowed to do so. Some are happy to ape and copy the Western culture. And echo the words used by their media, ati subjugated. You are happy with sexual exploitation of your women. You are happy with the thousand prostitutes that walk the streets. You are happy with young naked little girls walking around in Koinange street, and say they represent liberation. You are happy with the thousands of abortions that take place with these young women, you say that represent sophistication or liberation. YOu are happy with naked women sitting on billboards, naked women selling everything even chocolate bar, toothpaste... And you this does not represent sexual exploitation? So let's talk about things correctly. The lifestyle you're busy admiring, the "Westernization", is actually a disguise form of exploitation of the body, deprivation of honour, and degrading of soul. Hijab or no hijab.. Arab culture Somali cultures this makes no diffrence. When free will hits you .. nobody can block it Ever since this Somali and arabs allowed their kids to join public or private universities and others even boarding that's when all he'll broke loose. Now I have been eating like nobody's business. I even encounterd virgin and I promised her that if she delivers the goods.. I will renounce Christianity. That's a story for another day. We should all agree that we are now a global village and the more some cultures try hard to supress their women . The more the fire pressure builds and its normally released with little or no effort by people like us. So anybody trying to say that oppression has worked is lying to themselves. There is no diffrence between a koinange lady receiving 3clients a day and a collage girl wearing a hijab during the day or when parents/relatives are around but has already had 2 boyfriends and to top it all a sponsor like me. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:@alphdoti, even the Somalis themselves don't like the turn of events where radical islam has taken over their lives. They suggest that they go back to their original somali culture. Stop copying the media and their terminologies. It is akin to what Trump vomits regarding China, making big statements with no objective process to determine or specific measurement for claims. Islam is Islam, it has standards, it has standards for everything. Miniskirts is not Somali culture. If they want to go back to their culture, then they should, and the traditional clothes were good. But if they choose Islam, then they should abide by Islam, and you should not brand that as radical. However, I agree with you that there are those few extremists with wrong ideology giving Islam a bad name. Islam is perfect, but Muslims are not, I always tell you do not confuse the two. Does one have to dress in a burka to be a muslim? No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. we should not wear clothes which are sign or identity of some groups who are unbelievers, extent between the man and the woman, of the body that should be covered. For the man it is from the navel to the knees. For women the complete body except the face and the hands up to the wrist should be covered.  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hardwood wrote:Kumbe it's Uncle Sam who promoted the spread of radical islam. So @alphdoti & co are just pawns in the big geopolitical war game. https://www.rt.com/news/...bism-western-countries/
https://www.globalresear...ern-imperialism/5642047
Spread of Wahhabism was done at request of West during Cold War – Saudi crown prince Quote:The Saudi-funded spread of Wahhabism began as a result of Western countries asking Riyadh to help counter the Soviet Union during the Cold War, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told the Washington Post. Speaking to the paper, bin Salman said that Saudi Arabia's Western allies urged the country to invest in mosques and madrassas overseas during the Cold War, in an effort to prevent encroachment in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union. Quote:The essence of the Wahabi dogma was and still is, extremely simple: “Religious leaders would force the people into terrible, irrational fear and consequent submission. No criticism of the religion is allowed;no questioning of its essence and particularly of the conservative and archaic interpretation of the Book. Once conditioned this way, people stopped questioning and criticizing first the feudalist, and later capitalist oppression; they also accepted without blinking the plunder of their natural resources by local and foreign masters. All attempts to build a socialist and egalitarian society got deterred, brutally, ‘in the name of Islam’ and ‘in the name of God’”. I agree with you. If you see anyone promoting anything which is not in the Quran or authentic Hadith of the prophet, that is not Islam. All these groups are funded by Uncle Sam: Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, Al Shabaab... all are theirs! 'The people we were fighting today, we funded 20 years ago...' Hilary Clinton'The plan was good. Train Somali youths to create a buffer zone between Kenya and Somalia... These people are today roaming and killing people in parts of Kenya.' Major Bashir Abdulaiah
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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alphdoti wrote:No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers. Does this also refer to men dressing coz i see many men in western suits and neckties "that resemble those of unbelievers". Shouldnt all muslim men also be dressing in an islamic way eg kanzu or like the saudi men. You cant force women to dress in an islamic way and yet allow the men to dress in an "unislamic" way (suits and jeans). If you kenyan muslim men only wear the kanzu on fridays when going for prayers, then the women should also only wear the burka on fridays. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hardwood wrote:alphdoti wrote:No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers. Does this also refer to men dressing coz i see many men in western suits and neckties "that resemble those of unbelievers". Shouldnt all muslim men also be dressing in an islamic way eg kanzu or like the saudi men. You cant force women to dress in an islamic way and yet allow the men to dress in an "unislamic" way (suits and jeans). If you kenyan muslim men only wear the kanzu on fridays when going for prayers, then the women should also only wear the burka on fridays.  Interesting issues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:@alphdoti, even the Somalis themselves don't like the turn of events where radical islam has taken over their lives. They suggest that they go back to their original somali culture. Stop copying the media and their terminologies. It is akin to what Trump vomits regarding China, making big statements with no objective process to determine or specific measurement for claims. Islam is Islam, it has standards, it has standards for everything. Miniskirts is not Somali culture. If they want to go back to their culture, then they should, and the traditional clothes were good. But if they choose Islam, then they should abide by Islam, and you should not brand that as radical. However, I agree with you that there are those few extremists with wrong ideology giving Islam a bad name. Islam is perfect, but Muslims are not, I always tell you do not confuse the two. Does one have to dress in a burka to be a muslim? No. One does not have to wear burka to be Muslim. Islam dress code is simple Below is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as authentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah, the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure, it should not be transparent such that one can see through, it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the opposite sex, it should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. we should not wear clothes which are sign or identity of some groups who are unbelievers, extent between the man and the woman, of the body that should be covered. For the man it is from the navel to the knees. For women the complete body except the face and the hands up to the wrist should be covered.   1. The problem IMO is imposing a dress code for all seasons for a group of people and punishing grownups for what they choose to wear. People should dress appropriately for the weather, activity, occassion, style and occupation. Let's break it down: 2. Weather - dress to keep yourself warm or cool. Westerners are accused of promoting nakedness but in winter they wear fur coats, boots, sweaters, woolen hats, gloves, socks. In the hot months in the tropics natural woven cotton or linen fibres are appropriate to keep cool. Best for women to wear natural fibre undergarments or go ngothaless. 3. Activity - dress appropriately for comfort, safety and perfomance when engaged in physical activities. Don't go running in office leather shoes or bathroom slippers. It's disgusting to go swimming in a pool with T-Shirts, boxers, buibuis and headscarves in the name of modesty. Sleep naked if you want. 4. Occassion - I admit, I like attending contemporary African introductions, dowry negotiations and ruracios because people really dress well, Wacha tu. Back to my point, dress for the occassion. Wear a suit to a business meeting, wear a Kanzu to the mosque, wear a gown on your graduation, exotic costume to a costume party, victorian wedding gown for your wedding. Again these are conventions but no one should suffer beheading for going against convention. 5. Style - Every human being is different. People have different tastes and preferences. Orie Rogo defines herself with her head scarves. PLO Lumumba with his maoist suits. If a woman wants to wear Rwandan Mushanana or Maasai shuka or japanese kimono style, let her. 6. Occupation - disciplined forces have their own dress codes which are remarkably similar for western, eastern and in-between countries. Health professionals, lawyers, mechanics, hospitality industry professionals. Let people dress according to their professional conventions. Let students wear prescribed uniform, let priests, nuns, imams, rabbis wear their garb BUT don't force the general grown-up populace to dress like students or nuns. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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