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KCB and NBK material announcement
obiero
#51 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:12:40 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
The Government has pushed through its agenda in the conversion of preference shares held in National Bank of Kenya (NBK), dealing workers' pension savings at the public pension fund a huge blow. Implications of the agreement will be significant, especially at KCB, which is in the process of finalizing the complete takeover of NBK. Individual and institutional investors will be the biggest losers in the agreed structure with their shareholding diminishing from 29.5 per cent to about 6.7 per cent The Government has leapfrogged the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) as the biggest shareholder in NBK, thanks to the hitherto elusive agreement. Jointly, the two entities control nearly 93.2 per cent of NBK, pending shareholder approval on the treatment of the 1.2 billion preferential shares. In the proposed formula, the preference shares will be converted one-for-one with ordinary stock, which constitutes the actual ownership. Holders of preferential shares earn a predetermined dividend over time, but do not have voting rights, unlike for ordinary shares. NBK Company Secretary Habil Waswani has announced that the retirement of the preference shares will be an item of discussion in the upcoming annual general meeting slated for June 14. He added that the proposals would be subject to regulatory approvals of the takeover of the bank by KCB - the country's biggest lender.

NBK shareholders have lucked out. If CBK was allowed to apply the same regulations/guidelines to NBK like it did to Imperial or Chase then NBK would have closed down years ago.

True, in government safety is found.. Diluted or not.. Atleast it won't be put under an administrator

KQ ABP 4.26
Ericsson
#52 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 3:45:19 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
The Government has pushed through its agenda in the conversion of preference shares held in National Bank of Kenya (NBK), dealing workers' pension savings at the public pension fund a huge blow. Implications of the agreement will be significant, especially at KCB, which is in the process of finalizing the complete takeover of NBK. Individual and institutional investors will be the biggest losers in the agreed structure with their shareholding diminishing from 29.5 per cent to about 6.7 per cent The Government has leapfrogged the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) as the biggest shareholder in NBK, thanks to the hitherto elusive agreement. Jointly, the two entities control nearly 93.2 per cent of NBK, pending shareholder approval on the treatment of the 1.2 billion preferential shares. In the proposed formula, the preference shares will be converted one-for-one with ordinary stock, which constitutes the actual ownership. Holders of preferential shares earn a predetermined dividend over time, but do not have voting rights, unlike for ordinary shares. NBK Company Secretary Habil Waswani has announced that the retirement of the preference shares will be an item of discussion in the upcoming annual general meeting slated for June 14. He added that the proposals would be subject to regulatory approvals of the takeover of the bank by KCB - the country's biggest lender.

NBK shareholders have lucked out. If CBK was allowed to apply the same regulations/guidelines to NBK like it did to Imperial or Chase then NBK would have closed down years ago.

True, in government safety is found.. Diluted or not.. Atleast it won't be put under an administrator


NSSF also gave a consent to the conversion of the preference shares to ordinary shares for it to sail through.Previously they were the stumbling block.
Other ordinary shares wajipange
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Angelica _ann
#53 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:03:38 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
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Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
The Government has pushed through its agenda in the conversion of preference shares held in National Bank of Kenya (NBK), dealing workers' pension savings at the public pension fund a huge blow. Implications of the agreement will be significant, especially at KCB, which is in the process of finalizing the complete takeover of NBK. Individual and institutional investors will be the biggest losers in the agreed structure with their shareholding diminishing from 29.5 per cent to about 6.7 per cent The Government has leapfrogged the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) as the biggest shareholder in NBK, thanks to the hitherto elusive agreement. Jointly, the two entities control nearly 93.2 per cent of NBK, pending shareholder approval on the treatment of the 1.2 billion preferential shares. In the proposed formula, the preference shares will be converted one-for-one with ordinary stock, which constitutes the actual ownership. Holders of preferential shares earn a predetermined dividend over time, but do not have voting rights, unlike for ordinary shares. NBK Company Secretary Habil Waswani has announced that the retirement of the preference shares will be an item of discussion in the upcoming annual general meeting slated for June 14. He added that the proposals would be subject to regulatory approvals of the takeover of the bank by KCB - the country's biggest lender.

NBK shareholders have lucked out. If CBK was allowed to apply the same regulations/guidelines to NBK like it did to Imperial or Chase then NBK would have closed down years ago.

True, in government safety is found.. Diluted or not.. Atleast it won't be put under an administrator


NSSF also gave a consent to the conversion of the preference shares to ordinary shares for it to sail through.Previously they were the stumbling block.
Other ordinary shares wajipange


That is serious dilution for minority shareholders. Saad.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
obiero
#54 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:37:52 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
The Government has pushed through its agenda in the conversion of preference shares held in National Bank of Kenya (NBK), dealing workers' pension savings at the public pension fund a huge blow. Implications of the agreement will be significant, especially at KCB, which is in the process of finalizing the complete takeover of NBK. Individual and institutional investors will be the biggest losers in the agreed structure with their shareholding diminishing from 29.5 per cent to about 6.7 per cent The Government has leapfrogged the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) as the biggest shareholder in NBK, thanks to the hitherto elusive agreement. Jointly, the two entities control nearly 93.2 per cent of NBK, pending shareholder approval on the treatment of the 1.2 billion preferential shares. In the proposed formula, the preference shares will be converted one-for-one with ordinary stock, which constitutes the actual ownership. Holders of preferential shares earn a predetermined dividend over time, but do not have voting rights, unlike for ordinary shares. NBK Company Secretary Habil Waswani has announced that the retirement of the preference shares will be an item of discussion in the upcoming annual general meeting slated for June 14. He added that the proposals would be subject to regulatory approvals of the takeover of the bank by KCB - the country's biggest lender.

NBK shareholders have lucked out. If CBK was allowed to apply the same regulations/guidelines to NBK like it did to Imperial or Chase then NBK would have closed down years ago.

True, in government safety is found.. Diluted or not.. Atleast it won't be put under an administrator


NSSF also gave a consent to the conversion of the preference shares to ordinary shares for it to sail through.Previously they were the stumbling block.
Other ordinary shares wajipange


That is serious dilution for minority shareholders. Saad.

Massive dilution without an Open Offer backstop.. GoK holding in simba goes up from current 17% to over 25% and then some lame folk will ask me to sell KCB, and forget GoK is also big in Safaricom, KENRE, KQ..

KQ ABP 4.26
Ericsson
#55 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 8:56:51 PM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
The Government has pushed through its agenda in the conversion of preference shares held in National Bank of Kenya (NBK), dealing workers' pension savings at the public pension fund a huge blow. Implications of the agreement will be significant, especially at KCB, which is in the process of finalizing the complete takeover of NBK. Individual and institutional investors will be the biggest losers in the agreed structure with their shareholding diminishing from 29.5 per cent to about 6.7 per cent The Government has leapfrogged the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) as the biggest shareholder in NBK, thanks to the hitherto elusive agreement. Jointly, the two entities control nearly 93.2 per cent of NBK, pending shareholder approval on the treatment of the 1.2 billion preferential shares. In the proposed formula, the preference shares will be converted one-for-one with ordinary stock, which constitutes the actual ownership. Holders of preferential shares earn a predetermined dividend over time, but do not have voting rights, unlike for ordinary shares. NBK Company Secretary Habil Waswani has announced that the retirement of the preference shares will be an item of discussion in the upcoming annual general meeting slated for June 14. He added that the proposals would be subject to regulatory approvals of the takeover of the bank by KCB - the country's biggest lender.

NBK shareholders have lucked out. If CBK was allowed to apply the same regulations/guidelines to NBK like it did to Imperial or Chase then NBK would have closed down years ago.

True, in government safety is found.. Diluted or not.. Atleast it won't be put under an administrator


NSSF also gave a consent to the conversion of the preference shares to ordinary shares for it to sail through.Previously they were the stumbling block.
Other ordinary shares wajipange


That is serious dilution for minority shareholders. Saad.

Massive dilution without an Open Offer backstop.. GoK holding in simba goes up from current 17% to over 25% and then some lame folk will ask me to sell KCB, and forget GoK is also big in Safaricom, KENRE, KQ..


GoK shareholding will rise to 20% from 17%
Nssf shareholding will rise from 6.12% to 7.3%
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#56 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:19:42 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,213
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
The Government has pushed through its agenda in the conversion of preference shares held in National Bank of Kenya (NBK), dealing workers' pension savings at the public pension fund a huge blow. Implications of the agreement will be significant, especially at KCB, which is in the process of finalizing the complete takeover of NBK. Individual and institutional investors will be the biggest losers in the agreed structure with their shareholding diminishing from 29.5 per cent to about 6.7 per cent The Government has leapfrogged the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) as the biggest shareholder in NBK, thanks to the hitherto elusive agreement. Jointly, the two entities control nearly 93.2 per cent of NBK, pending shareholder approval on the treatment of the 1.2 billion preferential shares. In the proposed formula, the preference shares will be converted one-for-one with ordinary stock, which constitutes the actual ownership. Holders of preferential shares earn a predetermined dividend over time, but do not have voting rights, unlike for ordinary shares. NBK Company Secretary Habil Waswani has announced that the retirement of the preference shares will be an item of discussion in the upcoming annual general meeting slated for June 14. He added that the proposals would be subject to regulatory approvals of the takeover of the bank by KCB - the country's biggest lender.

NBK shareholders have lucked out. If CBK was allowed to apply the same regulations/guidelines to NBK like it did to Imperial or Chase then NBK would have closed down years ago.

True, in government safety is found.. Diluted or not.. Atleast it won't be put under an administrator


NSSF also gave a consent to the conversion of the preference shares to ordinary shares for it to sail through.Previously they were the stumbling block.
Other ordinary shares wajipange


That is serious dilution for minority shareholders. Saad.

Massive dilution without an Open Offer backstop.. GoK holding in simba goes up from current 17% to over 25% and then some lame folk will ask me to sell KCB, and forget GoK is also big in Safaricom, KENRE, KQ..


GoK shareholding will rise to 20% from 17%
Nssf shareholding will rise from 6.12% to 7.3%

Have you factored in the preference shares?

KQ ABP 4.26
Ericsson
#57 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 10:16:34 PM
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@obiero
That has been factored. Refer to the offer document.
Post conversion of preference shares to ordinary shares, shareholders of NBK will be entitled to a stake of 4.8% of KCB
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#58 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 12:42:19 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@obiero
That has been factored. Refer to the offer document.
Post conversion of preference shares to ordinary shares, shareholders of NBK will be entitled to a stake of 4.8% of KCB
I am going to give up on trying to explain stuff over and over again.
Watu wapambane na hali yake. Let him buy more KQ shares. Applause
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obiero
#59 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 5:14:16 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@obiero
That has been factored. Refer to the offer document.
Post conversion of preference shares to ordinary shares, shareholders of NBK will be entitled to a stake of 4.8% of KCB

Let me re-check

KQ ABP 4.26
Angelica _ann
#60 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2019 7:24:25 AM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
@obiero
That has been factored. Refer to the offer document.
Post conversion of preference shares to ordinary shares, shareholders of NBK will be entitled to a stake of 4.8% of KCB

Let me re-check


Does it mean the 'dilution' of NBK shares to current KCB shareholders will be 4.8%?
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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