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KenyaRe FY19 - FY23 (Both Inclusive)
VituVingiSana
#151 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 9:08:51 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019.

Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions.

KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates.

After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too.

KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares.

I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary.

Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell.

I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings.

KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates.

Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.

I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better.

Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in.

For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Applause

Do you have a copy FY18 Annual Report.
It's not yet uploaded on the website

NSE sent out a copy of the Financial Statements on 29th March. Ask your broker or @pesanane for help. I do not know how to upload it onto Wazua. Sorry.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ebenyo
#152 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 9:15:12 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale
Ericsson wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019.

Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions.

KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates.

After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too.

KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares.

I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary.

Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell.

I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings.

KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates.

Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.

I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better.

Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in.

For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Applause





With centum,they need to reduce the temptation to fall into debt trap.We all know what debts have done to many listed companies.At 89% debt to equity ratio,it does not reflect well on centum which prides itself as a company which strives to create value to shareholders.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
VituVingiSana
#153 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 9:18:32 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
Ebenyo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019.

Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions.

KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates.

After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too.

KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares.

I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary.

Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell.

I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings.

KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates.

Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.

I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better.

Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in.

For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Applause

With centum,they need to reduce the temptation to fall into debt trap.We all know what debts have done to many listed companies.At 89% debt to equity ratio,it does not reflect well on centum which prides itself as a company which strives to create value to shareholders.
It's not 89%. Please discuss Centum on Centum's page smile
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#154 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 9:37:10 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019.

Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions.

KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates.

After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too.

KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares.

I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary.

Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell.

I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings.

KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates.

Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.

I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better.

Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in.

For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Applause

Do you have a copy FY18 Annual Report.
It's not yet uploaded on the website

NSE sent out a copy of the Financial Statements on 29th March. Ask your broker or @pesanane for help. I do not know how to upload it onto Wazua. Sorry.


Financial statements that one I have read.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#155 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 10:08:24 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019.

Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions.

KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates.

After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too.

KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares.

I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary.

Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell.

I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings.

KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates.

Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.

I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better.

Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in.

For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Applause

Do you have a copy FY18 Annual Report.
It's not yet uploaded on the website

NSE sent out a copy of the Financial Statements on 29th March. Ask your broker or @pesanane for help. I do not know how to upload it onto Wazua. Sorry.


Financial statements that one I have read.
My bad. I meant the FS.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ebenyo
#156 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 10:13:38 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]Please note, these are MY views. Do your own research. Read. Read. Read. There are a lot of free resources starting with KenRe's FY18 annual report and investor presentation. IFRS17 is also available online. Read it and try to understand it. There will be "negative" short-term repercussions on the reporting aspect from both IFRS9 and IFRS17. HY19 results are expected by Sep 2019.

Please share your thoughts in a coherent manner. That's what improves the quality of discussions.

KenRe has been a core holding but it requires research updates.

After a lot of research, in my own way, including driving out to Vipingo numerous visits to Two Rivers, looking at the shelf space Coke commands in Naivas/Tuskys/Carrefour/kiosks, reading the reports from brokers, annual report, investment presentaion, etc; I finally chose to make Centum a core holding too.

KenRe is far more complex in that it doesn't deal with the public. Therefore, it is not as easy to assess its "popularity" therefore I am not blindly supporting KenRe just because I have KenRe shares.

I didn't want to see the obvious signs in a failing KQ but when it finally dawned on me, I bailed out. It was not easy but necessary.

Therefore, I want to keep my mind open about KenRe but think of it as a long-term investment. Thinking "long-term" has served me well. For those who "trade" that's good for you. It's not what I do well. I do not know when to sell.

I do not expect a call for cash (Rights Issue) in the near future but will get a dividend for FY18 which I may use to buy more KenRe given it trades at 50% of its cash holdings.

KenRe has zero net debt. This is very important in a tough operating environment. Cash-rich firms can take losses for 1-2 years while the sector consolidates.

Nevertheless, I remain open to selling out if there is a drastic, and unpleasant change, in the management. GoK remains the biggest risk.

I believe the long-term effect from applying IFRS9 and IFRS17 is positive as it forces the Management to look at improving the processes behind their assessment of risk and prices risk better.

Another benefit is looking at the Receivables and forcing a hard look at debtors. We see the benefits trickling in for banks after IFRS9 came in.

For those on the "bus" with me; let's enjoy the ride! Applause

With centum,they need to reduce the temptation to fall into debt trap.We all know what debts have done to many listed companies.At 89% debt to equity ratio,it does not reflect well on centum which prides itself as a company which strives to create value to shareholders.
It's not 89%. Please discuss Centum on Centum's page smile


smile ok.let me go their and check.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ericsson
#157 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:29:46 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,808
Location: NAIROBI
The tenure of the Chairman David Kibet Kemei ends next year having completed two terms of 3 years each
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#158 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:48:20 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,349
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
The tenure of the Chairman David Kibet Kemei ends next year having completed two terms of 3 years each
Applause Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Angelica _ann
#159 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 10:13:13 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The tenure of the Chairman David Kibet Kemei ends next year having completed two terms of 3 years each
Applause Applause Applause


I really like that his looting scheme was never successful!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ebenyo
#160 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 1:41:33 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale
Angelica _ann wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The tenure of the Chairman David Kibet Kemei ends next year having completed two terms of 3 years each
Applause Applause Applause


I really like that his looting scheme was never successful!!!



He tried last year but failed.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
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