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hardwood
#61 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:23:16 AM
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How many safaricom shares does one need to generate dividend income of 50k per month?
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#62 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:30:03 AM
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hardwood wrote:
How many safaricom shares does one need to generate dividend income of 50k per month?


About 790k shares!!! assuming the dividend is maintained at Kshs. 1.25 on minimum basis.
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#63 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 12:17:13 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How many safaricom shares does one need to generate dividend income of 50k per month?


About 790k shares!!! assuming the dividend is maintained at Kshs. 1.25 on minimum basis.


480k shares assuming dividend at ksh.1.25
480k*1.25=600k
50k*12=600k
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#64 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 12:27:17 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How many safaricom shares does one need to generate dividend income of 50k per month?


About 790k shares!!! assuming the dividend is maintained at Kshs. 1.25 on minimum basis.


480k shares assuming dividend at ksh.1.25
480k*1.25=600k
50k*12=600k


yawa tho!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Lakini should be 505,300 shares if you incorporate w/tax
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#65 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 12:44:55 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How many safaricom shares does one need to generate dividend income of 50k per month?


About 790k shares!!! assuming the dividend is maintained at Kshs. 1.25 on minimum basis.


480k shares assuming dividend at ksh.1.25
480k*1.25=600k
50k*12=600k


yawa tho!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Lakini should be 505,300 shares if you incorporate w/tax


So outlay would be 505k shares @26 bob totaling about Ksh 13m exclusive of commissions. Bonds of the same value would give you double the income.
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#66 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 12:48:49 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How many safaricom shares does one need to generate dividend income of 50k per month?


About 790k shares!!! assuming the dividend is maintained at Kshs. 1.25 on minimum basis.


480k shares assuming dividend at ksh.1.25
480k*1.25=600k
50k*12=600k


yawa tho!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Lakini should be 505,300 shares if you incorporate w/tax


So outlay would be 505k shares @26 bob totaling about Ksh 13m exclusive of commissions. Bonds of the same value would give you double the income.


I know were the discussion is headed to.
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#67 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 1:51:40 PM
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Mastermind wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How many safaricom shares does one need to generate dividend income of 50k per month?


About 790k shares!!! assuming the dividend is maintained at Kshs. 1.25 on minimum basis.


480k shares assuming dividend at ksh.1.25
480k*1.25=600k
50k*12=600k


yawa tho!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Lakini should be 505,300 shares if you incorporate w/tax


So outlay would be 505k shares @26 bob totaling about Ksh 13m exclusive of commissions. Bonds of the same value would give you double the income.


I know were the discussion is headed to.


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#68 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 7:40:53 AM
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Superprime1 wrote:
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littledove wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
littledove wrote:
1.25 dividend (ksh 50b) and a special special dividend of 0.62 (24.84b)


I know Interim Dividends and Final Dividends. What are these things SCOM is calling "Normal" and "Special" Dividend?

normal dividend is final dividend while special dividend is a one off dividend paid out of accumulated reserves


Not really.

In recent years [2015 & 2017], Williamson Tea has paid dividends even after recording net losses. Those dividends were paid from accumulated reserves but they weren't called "Special".

This "special dividend" is a Safaricom invention!


They're special in the sense that shareholders shouldn't expect it to be the "new normal", but can anticipate a Sh1.25/share dividend (or an adjustment of the same) in their projections.


There is nothing like "normal dividend", therefore, there is nothing like "special" dividend!

Paying, say, Sh1.25 this year does NOT in any way tell you how much will be paid next year!

Staying with the example of Williamson Tea....

2014: EPS = 40.68; DPS = 7.00
2015: EPS = -11.88; DPS = 40.00
2016: EPS = 26.45; DPS = 20.00
2017: EPS = -13.73; DPS = 10.00
2018: EPS = 27.86; DPS = 20.00

There is no trend and no correlation; it is sporadic and chaotic!

I used Williamson Tea as an illustration because it is the only company I can think of that pays dividends even in years when it has made losses [there could be others...]

But the point is: this "normal" and "special" dividend is an invention by Safaricom and the have not explained what those terms mean.
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#69 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 3:20:47 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
littledove wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
littledove wrote:
1.25 dividend (ksh 50b) and a special special dividend of 0.62 (24.84b)


I know Interim Dividends and Final Dividends. What are these things SCOM is calling "Normal" and "Special" Dividend?

normal dividend is final dividend while special dividend is a one off dividend paid out of accumulated reserves


Not really.

In recent years [2015 & 2017], Williamson Tea has paid dividends even after recording net losses. Those dividends were paid from accumulated reserves but they weren't called "Special".

This "special dividend" is a Safaricom invention!


They're special in the sense that shareholders shouldn't expect it to be the "new normal", but can anticipate a Sh1.25/share dividend (or an adjustment of the same) in their projections.


There is nothing like "normal dividend", therefore, there is nothing like "special" dividend!

Paying, say, Sh1.25 this year does NOT in any way tell you how much will be paid next year!

Staying with the example of Williamson Tea....

2014: EPS = 40.68; DPS = 7.00
2015: EPS = -11.88; DPS = 40.00
2016: EPS = 26.45; DPS = 20.00
2017: EPS = -13.73; DPS = 10.00
2018: EPS = 27.86; DPS = 20.00

There is no trend and no correlation; it is sporadic and chaotic!

I used Williamson Tea as an illustration because it is the only company I can think of that pays dividends even in years when it has made losses [there could be others...]

But the point is: this "normal" and "special" dividend is an invention by Safaricom and the have not explained what those terms mean.


Investopedia tells me a special dividend is a non recurring distribution of a company's assets and its mainly larger than the normal or if you like regular dividend.

Dig in more research, investment terms can be broad, Google should help.
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#70 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 5:32:09 PM
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Special Dividend is a common terminology and is not peculiar to safaricom.

EABL, BAMBURI and of late WPP SCAN had issued special dividends before.


See more below

https://www.simplysafedi...nd-impact-on-stock-price
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#71 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 7:13:44 PM
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gatoho wrote:
Wow. The shares I bought for 2.50/- have paid themselves several times over now

You can now begin reinvesting the dividends by buying additional shares
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#72 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 7:18:02 PM
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Safaricom doubling of 4G sites on course.
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#73 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 10:31:21 AM
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Exclusive: Google suspends some business with Huawei after Trump... https://reut.rs/2w88OdK
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#74 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 11:40:03 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
littledove wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
littledove wrote:
1.25 dividend (ksh 50b) and a special special dividend of 0.62 (24.84b)


I know Interim Dividends and Final Dividends. What are these things SCOM is calling "Normal" and "Special" Dividend?

normal dividend is final dividend while special dividend is a one off dividend paid out of accumulated reserves


Not really.

In recent years [2015 & 2017], Williamson Tea has paid dividends even after recording net losses. Those dividends were paid from accumulated reserves but they weren't called "Special".

This "special dividend" is a Safaricom invention!


They're special in the sense that shareholders shouldn't expect it to be the "new normal", but can anticipate a Sh1.25/share dividend (or an adjustment of the same) in their projections.


There is nothing like "normal dividend", therefore, there is nothing like "special" dividend!

Paying, say, Sh1.25 this year does NOT in any way tell you how much will be paid next year!

Staying with the example of Williamson Tea....

2014: EPS = 40.68; DPS = 7.00
2015: EPS = -11.88; DPS = 40.00
2016: EPS = 26.45; DPS = 20.00
2017: EPS = -13.73; DPS = 10.00
2018: EPS = 27.86; DPS = 20.00

There is no trend and no correlation; it is sporadic and chaotic!

I used Williamson Tea as an illustration because it is the only company I can think of that pays dividends even in years when it has made losses [there could be others...]

But the point is: this "normal" and "special" dividend is an invention by Safaricom and the have not explained what those terms mean.


Of course there is such a thing as "normal dividend". I believe dividend policy is required reading in any accounting class. Key lesson is that each company adopts a specific dividend policy so you can't just willy nilly compare two companies.. one might have a policy of dividends as a percentage of earnings(I suspect Williams falls here) another has a policy of steadily rising dividends.. so of course any extra earned outside policy is "special" so as not to screw up next years expectations.
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#75 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:21:39 AM
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Huawei sanction may hit Safaricom https://www.theeastafric...6022-imcuv7z/index.html via @The_EastAfrican
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#76 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 12:09:36 PM
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Understanding Donald Trump's (real) fight with Huawei and the 5G race the US has already lost!!!


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#77 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 1:32:28 PM
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#78 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 1:40:36 PM
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#79 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:12:24 PM
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rwitre wrote:
GoK: We want a Kenyan CEO.

Board: Bob, you won't retire.

Board: 1 GoK: 0

I hope he goes for another extra year to 2021. If this govt picks a CEO, there will be massive theft in Safaricom
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#80 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:53:08 PM
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watesh wrote:
rwitre wrote:
GoK: We want a Kenyan CEO.

Board: Bob, you won't retire.

Board: 1 GoK: 0

I hope he goes for another extra year to 2021. If this govt picks a CEO, there will be massive theft in Safaricom

The government wants to f*** up the company with the best corporate governance in the country if not the region!!!

Why would one want to fix what is not even remotely broken!!?? They want to start awarding themselves contracts at ridiculously inflated prices. Even the Huawei's of this world would have to go through someone (with huge kickbacks to boot) to be "connected" to Safaricom!
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