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How the Europeans Divided Africa
T-Bag
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:05:35 PM
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The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8
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hardwood
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 8:33:14 AM
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T-Bag wrote:
The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8


What was looted in Kenya?
T-Bag
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 9:19:46 AM
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hardwood wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8


What was looted in Kenya?


Everything looted including?

Prime Land - This eventually went to home guards who are our "Lords" today
Labour - to extract the maximum value of our natural resources
Forced house taxation - To force nyeuthi work in plantations and
Natural resources - Flouspar, Magadi soda and wildlife, currently the same are held by proxies of beberu......etc

"Independence'' equals Neocolonialism today
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hardwood
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:14:50 AM
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T-Bag wrote:
The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8


We are still colonized and enslaved. That is why commodity prices are kept artificially low so that we feed the industries in the west. Coffee, tea, gold etc prices are still fixed in london and we are banned from processing or adding any value to the raw materials before exporting to london. In tourism, holiday packages are paid for to agents in the west and the visitors stay in western owned game lodges and hotels meaning the bulk of revenue generated by our parks, beaches remains in london just like in colonial times.
hardwood
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:58:02 AM
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The stealing continues....Zambia is the world largest copper producer but has nothing to show for it. Kenya is also one of largest export flower producers but wanjiku has nothing to show for it since the flower company in naivasha pays her peanuts in wages, the company also sells the flowers to its sister company in Holland at rock bottom artificial/fake prices ensuring minimal taxes are paid to kenya govt. The sister company in holland then sells the flowers at the holland flower auction at market prices making huge profits which remain abroad. Note also that the flower companies refused to pay cess and other levies to nakuru county citing "overtaxation". Thus the looting continues. How will we ever develop? I think we have to commend kericho county for planning to take over the tea farms or taxing them 10,000 per acre.


Baratang
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 12:03:27 PM
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More than half a century into the independence and you guys are still whinning about your modern day problems which you are attributing to colonialism?? kubafu nyinyi!
More than half a century into the independence and you guys have build a big population which is enough to sustain the local commodity production year in year out...what do you do? You run to your neighbouring countries and buy their commodities to sell to your people and leave your own locally produced to rot and you blame the colonialists...kubafu nyinyi!
More than half a century into independence, you have destroyed the industries that were left to you by the colonialists and others that were set up by investors, shortly after independence, who had foreseen a big industrialisation potential in your country. Even after developing a huge market base, you are still blaming the colonialists for the industries's decimation...kubafu nyinyi!
More than half a century into the independence, you cannot even govern yourselves. You elect leaders whose soul purpose is just to steal your taxes and when it comes to it, you spin the whole thing and blame the colonialists...kubafu nyinyi.
Give the colonialists a break. We are responsible for 100% of our problems!!
radiomast
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:52:58 PM
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#254 is one country that cannot complain about colonialism or imperialism. The overall impact of colonialism was positive in Kenya.

The damage to Kenya was done by the politicians especially the so called founding father.

It was kenyatta who created "mtu wetu" syndrome so that he and his cohorts can rob the treasury dry while Wanjiku, Moraa,Kaluki, Adongo, Chebet ,Nekesa and other distracted Kenyans call each other names because they belong to different tribes. 50 years later we are all busy insulting each other and celebrating when others are nyanyaswad , meanwhile the politicians have been robbing you for 56 years.

It was kenyatta who encouraged and in some cases even started all the ills that are ravaging the country: land grabbing, corruption, tribalism, political assassination, detention without trial, greed, incompetence , sycophancy .............
radiomast
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:57:16 PM
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If there is a country that can and should complain about the impact of colonialism and imperialism its is DR Congo . The Belgians left them with nothing. All they did was exploit the nations, resources, commit gross actrocities and then assassinated Congo's best hope for a visionary leader (Lumumba) , instead imposing Mobutu Sese Seko who misruled the country for 33 years.

Read about the Belgian atrocities
https://en.wikipedia.org..._in_the_Congo_Free_State
wukan
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 6:50:48 PM
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radiomast wrote:
#254 is one country that cannot complain about colonialism or imperialism. The overall impact of colonialism was positive in Kenya.

The damage to Kenya was done by the politicians especially the so called founding father.

It was kenyatta who created "mtu wetu" syndrome so that he and his cohorts can rob the treasury dry while Wanjiku, Moraa,Kaluki, Adongo, Chebet ,Nekesa and other distracted Kenyans call each other names because they belong to different tribes. 50 years later we are all busy insulting each other and celebrating when others are nyanyaswad , meanwhile the politicians have been robbing you for 56 years.

It was kenyatta who encouraged and in some cases even started all the ills that are ravaging the country: land grabbing, corruption, tribalism, political assassination, detention without trial, greed, incompetence , sycophancy .............


Colonization is quite different from imperialism. Humans have always been forming colonies and imposing their cultures on other humans. Humans learn from other cultures. The bantus colonized the athi,gumba and dorobo tribes. Luos also colonized bantus like the Suba. Africans were okay with cultural exchanges it is what led to the swahili city states and swahili culture.

Imperialism is the arrogant side of thinking one self as culturally superior to others. It is what brings conflict. It is that stupid thinking that makes some feel that they are God's chosen people and others are savages. Chinese president alluded to this in his speech this week.

But I agree with you that colonialism had a positive impact on Kenya where famines, drought, small pox had devastated our ancestors. We are still doing cultural exchanges and integration and so far so good because we didn't end up butchering each other. Eventually the 'mtu wetu' syndrome will end as we form more cultural ties and have different interests away from our tribes. It will take time so 56 years is too short a time to measure.
radiomast
#10 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 8:06:30 PM
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@Wukan

The colonialists in Kenya built schools, hospitals, roads, housing, stadiums, railways, railway stations, farms, police stations, fire-stations, markets, airports, conserved foreasts, riverbeds and water towers.

Mwafrika would have done very little in comparison. He would have just lavished himself with all the tax payer money.

Wabeberu forced some of our grandparents to go to school or send their children to school at a time when many wanted their children to stay home and milk cows.

Then mwafrigha took over and it started to become a sheet-hole.

Kenyatta lived in London for 20 years. He had experienced what a modern, well managed city can look like if well planned. He could have used what he learned and done the same for Nairobi. He could have set aside land for road expansion, water retention, ............

Instead he came to Kenya and grabbed vast tracts of land in Nairobi and its environs and also beachfront property in Mombasa. Now Nairobi is a hell-hole of incessant traffic and constant water shortages among other problems. All the land that Muzungu had set aside for road expansion and other infrastructure was grabbed.

River Nairobi is polluted and water catchment areas are covered in concrete. Kenya now has less forest area than Equatorial Guinea because many forest areas were grabbed.

And this is the man we have named everything after . SMH

Kenyans should never never complain about colonialism. We have inflicted all our problems on ourselves.

Other countries like Congo and perhaps even Uganda and Rwanda can complain about interference from outsiders. For some like Congo, you can conclude that colonialism was mostly bad.



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