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tycho
#751 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2019 10:15:58 AM
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Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.
AlphDoti
#752 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2019 10:29:32 AM
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tycho wrote:
Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.

So why bother asking "what has qualified him to say so?"
tycho
#753 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2019 11:15:54 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.

So why bother asking "what has qualified him to say so?"


Because he has said something and speech is connected to action. Therefore it's non trivial.
AlphDoti
#754 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2019 1:02:53 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.

So why bother asking "what has qualified him to say so?"

Because he has said something and speech is connected to action. Therefore it's non trivial.

So what about his non trivial claim?
tycho
#755 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2019 1:38:03 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.

So why bother asking "what has qualified him to say so?"

Because he has said something and speech is connected to action. Therefore it's non trivial.

So what about his non trivial claim?


So far I know that it's probable that talk about God isn't amenable to reason as we tend to claim.

The legitimacy of words is another puzzle we may need to figure out.
AlphDoti
#756 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2019 3:58:32 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.

So why bother asking "what has qualified him to say so?"

Because he has said something and speech is connected to action. Therefore it's non trivial.

So what about his non trivial claim?

So far I know that it's probable that talk about God isn't amenable to reason as we tend to claim.

The legitimacy of words is another puzzle we may need to figure out.

Believe in God is not blind faith. Talk for Islam, it calls us to reason and ponder about the signs and evidences.

Surah Baqarah 2:21 says O mankind! Worship your Lord, Who created you and those who were before you... 22 Who has made the earth as a resting place for you, and the sky as canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do you not set up rivals to God (in worship) while you know.
tycho
#757 Posted : Thursday, May 09, 2019 6:17:29 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.

So why bother asking "what has qualified him to say so?"

Because he has said something and speech is connected to action. Therefore it's non trivial.

So what about his non trivial claim?

So far I know that it's probable that talk about God isn't amenable to reason as we tend to claim.

The legitimacy of words is another puzzle we may need to figure out.

Believe in God is not blind faith. Talk for Islam, it calls us to reason and ponder about the signs and evidences.

Surah Baqarah 2:21 says O mankind! Worship your Lord, Who created you and those who were before you... 22 Who has made the earth as a resting place for you, and the sky as canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do you not set up rivals to God (in worship) while you know.


That claim has no universal proof. It can only be particular for a faith, but no more. It appears to be a false claim.
AlphDoti
#758 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2019 8:36:29 AM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
Very well. So this means that asking Sartre about the rationality of his claim that God doesn't exist is unnecessary and ineffective.

I suspect that rationality has a small role to play when talking about God.

So why bother asking "what has qualified him to say so?"

Because he has said something and speech is connected to action. Therefore it's non trivial.

So what about his non trivial claim?

So far I know that it's probable that talk about God isn't amenable to reason as we tend to claim.

The legitimacy of words is another puzzle we may need to figure out.

Believe in God is not blind faith. Talk for Islam, it calls us to reason and ponder about the signs and evidences.

Surah Baqarah 2:21 says O mankind! Worship your Lord, Who created you and those who were before you... 22 Who has made the earth as a resting place for you, and the sky as canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do you not set up rivals to God (in worship) while you know.

That claim has no universal proof. It can only be particular for a faith, but no more. It appears to be a false claim.

Verily, in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alteration of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which God sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth are indeed ayats (universal proofs, evidences, signs, etc) for people of understanding Quran surah Baqarah chapter 2:164.
tycho
#759 Posted : Friday, May 10, 2019 2:51:31 PM
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A statement that there are universal proofs isn't a universal proof by itself. It remains just as an assertion. It is not an accident that no religion has ever provided such proof especially to people of other religions using neutral terms.

But we can agree to disagree since I have no intention for showing your belief as false.
T-Bag
#760 Posted : Thursday, August 08, 2019 9:26:08 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI24GM28QLs

We could be ONE people.....Muslims and Christians, whether we believe it not, the noble Quran, Holy Bible seem to point to something... we need to read both books with an open mind before we choose sides out of ignorance of the other side..

I am on surah 3. Al_Imran, reading under the radar looking forward to what I can find
I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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