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Angelica _ann
#1021 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 11:49:58 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
Our noble teachers have been burnt to recognition for their dalliance with Merali...this investment business is not for the faint hearted


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This was a bad deal from initiation, wadosi wa sacco were given their share and moved on. One even eat, collapsed and died huko mombasani airport. Greed.

Am yet to understand why CBK sanctioned this deal, at least the guys at SASRA voiced their concerns and were overruled by our courts - now they have been exonerated.

Anyway to each their own.
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Ericsson
#1022 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 12:02:59 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Our noble teachers have been burnt to recognition for their dalliance with Merali...this investment business is not for the faint hearted


LINK



This was a bad deal from initiation, wadosi wa sacco were given their share and moved on. One even eat, collapsed and died huko mombasani airport. Greed.

Am yet to understand why CBK sanctioned this deal, at least the guys at SASRA voiced their concerns and were overruled by our courts - now they have been exonerated.

Anyway to each their own.

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VituVingiSana
#1023 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 2:11:58 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
Our noble teachers have been burnt to recognition for their dalliance with Merali...this investment business is not for the faint hearted


LINK

The teachers needed a lesson on electing people who care. The leadership sold them out. When I first read about the deal, I Brick wall
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Ericsson
#1024 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 4:18:54 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Our noble teachers have been burnt to recognition for their dalliance with Merali...this investment business is not for the faint hearted


LINK

The teachers needed a lesson on electing people who care. The leadership sold them out. When I first read about the deal, I Brick wall


Same as the electorate.
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VituVingiSana
#1025 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:56:14 AM
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If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...064028-h0llbm/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#1026 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 8:06:36 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

Keep your hopes very low. 'Fully provisioned' and you still follow up on a dead monkey? You expect it to open an eye? https://www.businessdail...064028-h0llbm/index.html

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Ebenyo
#1027 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 8:17:28 AM
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obiero wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

Keep your hopes very low. 'Fully provisioned' and you still follow up on a dead monkey? You expect it to open an eye? https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html[/quote]

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It's not yet dead.Should a suitable buyer be found and pay a good price,losses will be minimal.
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VituVingiSana
#1028 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 9:26:16 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

Keep your hopes very low. 'Fully provisioned' and you still follow up on a dead monkey? You expect it to open an eye? https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

Yes. Simple. Accounting 201. I understand it may not be easy for an usher to grasp. Laughing out loudly

A provision is a contra-account. It reduces my net assets which flows through the P&L. It was accounted for as a loss in my P&L last year.

Like a bank, a provision does not mean it is written off as long as there is a chance of partial recovery. If there is no recovery, then my NAV will not reduce nor increase. If there is a recovery then the NAV increases.

If you know how to analyze a bank's Balance Sheet, go to the details where the NPLs are discussed.
Gross NPLS
less Interest In Suspense [not necessarily written off]
less Provisions [not necessarily written off]
Net NPLs [This is the number to worry about]
Collateral/Securities [This might not be worth what they say under FSV]
Net NPL Exposure [The number to really, really worry about]

Again, I empathize with you given your wipe-out in KQ.

2018 was a tough year given the paper losses except for gains in KK + dividends.

1Q had a net cash inflow from KK but the rest of 2019 doesn't look too promising but there are some decent (paper) gains from I&M.
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littledove
#1029 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 9:57:30 AM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html[/quote]
The leadership of arm was very visionary, they have mining licences everywhere.
no wonder more than 30 international companies are fighting to acquire it despite heavy debts
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Fyatu
#1030 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 10:09:32 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html


the darkest hour is just before the dawn.....(annon)
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VituVingiSana
#1031 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 10:20:25 AM
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littledove wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

The leadership of arm was very visionary, they have mining licences everywhere.
no wonder more than 30 international companies are fighting to acquire it despite heavy debts
Looking dire as time flies. A lesson on the pitfalls of rapid expansion using lots of debt.
In 2019, I am sticking with firms with zero to low LTVs.
Centum remains a bit of a concern but the management said they want to reduce debt at the parent level. Will they dispose of an asset to generate cash?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Ericsson
#1032 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 10:22:44 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
littledove wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

The leadership of arm was very visionary, they have mining licences everywhere.
no wonder more than 30 international companies are fighting to acquire it despite heavy debts
Looking dire as time flies. A lesson on the pitfalls of rapid expansion using lots of debt.
In 2019, I am sticking with firms with zero to low LTVs.
Centum remains a bit of a concern but the management said they want to reduce debt at the parent level. Will they dispose of an asset to generate cash?

sh.24bn debt.
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Angelica _ann
#1033 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 11:09:12 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
littledove wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

The leadership of arm was very visionary, they have mining licences everywhere.
no wonder more than 30 international companies are fighting to acquire it despite heavy debts
Looking dire as time flies. A lesson on the pitfalls of rapid expansion using lots of debt.
In 2019, I am sticking with firms with zero to low LTVs.
Centum remains a bit of a concern but the management said they want to reduce debt at the parent level. Will they dispose of an asset to generate cash?

sh.24bn debt.


ARM ama Centum???
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Ericsson
#1034 Posted : Wednesday, April 10, 2019 11:48:35 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
littledove wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If the sale of ARM isn't finalized soon, it will only get worse.
Whereas, I do not expect anything from the rescue of ARM but it seems the creditors will also take a significant hit with the delay.

https://www.businessdail...64028-h0llbm/index.html

The leadership of arm was very visionary, they have mining licences everywhere.
no wonder more than 30 international companies are fighting to acquire it despite heavy debts
Looking dire as time flies. A lesson on the pitfalls of rapid expansion using lots of debt.
In 2019, I am sticking with firms with zero to low LTVs.
Centum remains a bit of a concern but the management said they want to reduce debt at the parent level. Will they dispose of an asset to generate cash?

sh.24bn debt.


ARM ama Centum???

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