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tycho wrote:hamburglar wrote:tycho wrote:A language is a worldview. If you were born in a certain language and then discarded the language then you've cut off a huge chunk of your sensibility.
Tribal clashes as depicted on this thread are because of European meddling and African political choices in response to the meddling. Wewe you’ve still never gone to see a shrink until today? I'm waiting for the day I notice your IQ has improved from 35 to at least 50. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hamburglar wrote:
So why don’t the Canadians or French slaughter each other? They only speak one language.
Boils down to values. Our values are bad. Their values are good. I thought Canada has 2 languages: French & English with French Canadians & English Canadians being distinct(heard songbird Celine Dion only started speaking English in her adult life, after starting her career.)
Somali clans are essentially their tribes. Clans are even worse than tribes because they are more primitive. You don’t see these tribal clashes nonsense in Sweden or Denmark. Why?
Good point. It goes to show what I've been explaining. One language for people who KNOW they're not one won't solve negative ethnicity.
I have never spoken my mother tongue, mostly because I can’t speak it even though I understand it. I basically only speak English and Swahili. How has not knowing my mother tongue affected me? Am happy and content with my life minus the mother tongue. How would being able to speak Kikuyu have benefitted my life?
Valid point. You may not need your mother tongue if you will not vie for a political seat(MCA,MP, Governor), if you will not do biz that requires your language-ever met those born tao chics doing biz in tao? They had to learn Kikuyu.
But how do you benefit by not knowing?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2006 Posts: 658
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hamburglar wrote:Julie wrote:Am personally very proud of my tribe and will do all i can to make sure my children learn to speak and appreciate their tradition.
As a parent, am instilling virtues that will integrate my children with society no matter the tribe or economic status. Am playing my part as a parent.
@Hamburglar
Am so sorry for you. You have no sence of belonging!
Will pray for you all the same and any other like minded individuals on this forum.
Don’t need your prayers and you don’t need to feel sorry for me for not knowing how to speak Kikuyu. Why would you feel sorry for me? What the hell? It’s not like I don’t have arms and legs for you to feel sorry for me. Jesus, not knowing my mother tongue is now a handicap that needs prayers? The level of stupidity for some religious Kenyans is amazing. What exactly would you be praying for me for? I don’t get it. Does it mean that you can’t instill moral virtues into children who don’t speak your mother tongue? Wonders never cease. Those children that you are teaching your mother tongue might very well turn out to be the wazees like the ones I met that are disgustingly tribal. Am glad my parents never taught me Kikuyu, the little I know I learnt here and there. Maybe that’s why I am very uncomfortable around people who speak Kikuyu or Luo or whatever language in the presence of people from other tribes. How isn’t that not ignorant? People who’ve approached me with that Kikuyu shit know better next time they meet me. I don’t mince my words, I tell them to cut that shit out and sure enough, when we meet again, they always remember to speak in Swahili or English, a language that everybody around us understands. No need to be bitter with your tribes men! Its not your fault that you cant speak it fluently or not at all. Blame your parents or yourself for not learning it. Don't hide behind the veil that it is ''tribal'' for one to speak their mother tongue. And by the way...I hate it too when anyone speaks a language that is not common for those in a group..I really HATE IT!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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@hamburglar has already identified himself by his tribe. And because he can't speak the language, he calls that primitive. People have no problems with their tribes and languages, unless it's because of negative ethnicity. We are proud of our diversity of cultures and traditions. You speak your Swahili and English, we will speak ours without feeling like bigots. Even the constitution acknowledges in the preamble that we are proud of that diversity even as one nation. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Jus Blazin wrote:@hamburglar has already identified himself by his tribe. And because he can't speak the language, he calls that primitive. People have no problems with their tribes and languages, unless it's because of negative ethnicity. We are proud of our diversity of cultures and traditions. You speak your Swahili and English, we will speak ours without feeling like bigots. Even the constitution acknowledges in the preamble that we are proud of that diversity even as one nation. So since it’s in the constitution that means it’s right? And by the way, I can speak Kikuyu if I really wanted to but I don’t see the need to because it adds no value to my life. Absolutely none. Yeah. People have no problems with their languages and tribes until they start slaughtering each other when election time rolls around.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hamburglar wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:@hamburglar has already identified himself by his tribe. And because he can't speak the language, he calls that primitive. People have no problems with their tribes and languages, unless it's because of negative ethnicity. We are proud of our diversity of cultures and traditions. You speak your Swahili and English, we will speak ours without feeling like bigots. Even the constitution acknowledges in the preamble that we are proud of that diversity even as one nation. So since it’s in the constitution that means it’s right? And by the way, I can speak Kikuyu if I really wanted to but I don’t see the need to because it adds no value to my life. Absolutely none. Yeah. People have no problems with their languages and tribes until they start slaughtering each other when election time rolls around. There's no difference between Kikuyu Chinese English French, they are all means of communicating at the very least. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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My question is, those people that can koroga mother tongue, how exactly has it helped them and what advantage do they have over me now that I can’t speak my mother tongue?
Other than the fact that they will vote for their tribesmen and maybe kill each other in 2022, how exactly has that mother tongue helped them?
I hear people say that they are proud of their mother tongue, which pride? Proud that you are able to communicate in a language that your neighbor is not able to comprehend? Is that pride or takataka?
Mother tongue and tribes are just primitive types of groupies. It’s the same as stupid high school kids who form a group and act like they are better than other groups.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:My question is, those people that can koroga mother tongue, how exactly has it helped them and what advantage do they have over me now that I can’t speak my mother tongue?
Other than the fact that they will vote for their tribesmen and maybe kill each other in 2022, how exactly has that mother tongue helped them?
I hear people say that they are proud of their mother tongue, which pride? Proud that you are able to communicate in a language that your neighbor is not able to comprehend? Is that pride or takataka?
Mother tongue and tribes are just primitive types of groupies. It’s the same as stupid high school kids who form a group and act like they are better than other groups. Here is a vital example: what's the etymology of 'Thingira'? A Mugikuyu philosopher said that you'll become liberated when you remember the meaning of the word.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,721
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hamburglar wrote:My question is, those people that can koroga mother tongue, how exactly has it helped them and what advantage do they have over me now that I can’t speak my mother tongue?
Other than the fact that they will vote for their tribesmen and maybe kill each other in 2022, how exactly has that mother tongue helped them?
I hear people say that they are proud of their mother tongue, which pride? Proud that you are able to communicate in a language that your neighbor is not able to comprehend? Is that pride or takataka?
Mother tongue and tribes are just primitive types of groupies. It’s the same as stupid high school kids who form a group and act like they are better than other groups. @Hambuglar, huna dini, huna kabila, what social group do you belong to? You say you are Kenyan, why Kenyan? Why not East African or African or Nairobian, or Buruburuian, or Mangerian, Starehehian, Changerian, Patcherian etc Why do you feel it is OK for you to be Kenyan and wrong for someone else to be Maasai?
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