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Let’s learn kikuyu
hardwood
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 9:51:51 AM
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Can you imagine an englishman, frenchman, polishman, japanese etc abandoning his mother tongue and adopting a foreign language like spanish or russian, kikuyu? Then why should a kikuyuman deep in central abandon his mother tongue, the language of his people and adopt the language of his colonial masters who live thousands of miles away?
masukuma
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:10:01 AM
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hamburglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I find this discussion interesting! People mistake ethnic groups and ethnic identity with negative ethnicity. They think that is the cause. Tanzania has more ethnic groups than us but less ethnicity. As aptly noted - the Hutu, Tutsi and Twa people of Rwanda all spoke one language! kinyarwanda.


Yes they spoke Kinyarwanda but the genocide was still based off of tribe. Hutus versus Tutis. If they only had one language then there would never had been any Hutus slaughtering Tutsis because there would never had been any Hutus or Tutsis to begin with, only the Nyarwanda.

there is no 'kiTutsi' or 'kiHutu'. To you - language is the mark of 'tribe'
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hamburglar
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:10:35 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Can you imagine an englishman, frenchman, polishman, japanese etc abandoning his mother tongue and adopting a foreign language like spanish or russian, kikuyu? Then why should a kikuyuman deep in central abandon his mother tongue, the language of his people and adopt the language of his colonial masters who live thousands of miles away?


Because a Kikuyuman is fighting a Luoman over trivial tribal differences. The Frenchman is not fighting another Frenchman along tribal lines. If we only spoke Swahili in Kenya, do you think we would have all these tribal clashes? Wouldn’t it not be easier for a previously Kikuyuman man who now only speaks Swahili and only identifies himself as a Kenyan and not Kikuyu, to be able to buy land in Ugenya and settle there? How has that Kikuyu helped that Kikuyuman other than having him and his tribesmen get slaughtered in Rift Valley every election time?

I shocked some very rich Kikuyu wazee one time when we were to enter into a business deal. We had a meeting where they started telling me in Kikuyu how us Kikuyu need to support each other and make sure we protect our wealth and not entertain other tribes who want to do business with us. I told them right in their faces that I will not be part of that because I am not a bigot. I do businesss with everybody and I have friends from all tribes and I will never ever even for one minute betray my friends and business partners from other tribes by scheming to bring them down behind their backs. Needless to say, the wazees didn’t give me the business but I didn’t care because after the dust settled, I could still hold my head up high with my pride as a Kenyan. Tribes are a cancer whether you guys want to admit it or not. They do more harm than they do good.
Lolest!
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:44:22 AM
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If we only spoke Swahili in Kenya, do you think we would have all these tribal clashes?

Yes, unfortunately.

Your tribe is not just the language. As pointed out earlier, there's no Kihutu & Kitutsi in Rwanda/Burundi. It's just one language-Kinyarwanda/Kirundi. The same with Somalis. Even Kenyan Somalis are known to slaughter each other on basis of clan.

Remember also that apart from language, there are many other things that identify you by your ethnicity. Chief among them is facial & other physical features. Even if we decreed today that we'll only speak Kiswahili everywhere even in our homes, people will still identify you by your looks which you can't change even with your English/Swa.
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hamburglar
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:53:06 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
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If we only spoke Swahili in Kenya, do you think we would have all these tribal clashes?

Yes, unfortunately.

Your tribe is not just the language. As pointed out earlier, there's no Kihutu & Kitutsi in Rwanda/Burundi. It's just one language-Kinyarwanda/Kirundi. The same with Somalis. Even Kenyan Somalis are known to slaughter each other on basis of clan.

Remember also that apart from language, there are many other things that identify you by your ethnicity. Chief among them is facial & other physical features. Even if we decreed today that we'll only speak Kiswahili everywhere even in our homes, people will still identify you by your looks which you can't change even with your English/Swa.


So why don’t the Canadians or French slaughter each other? They only speak one language.

Somali clans are essentially their tribes. Clans are even worse than tribes because they are more primitive. You don’t see these tribal clashes nonsense in Sweden or Denmark. Why?

I have never spoken my mother tongue, mostly because I can’t speak it even though I understand it. I basically only speak English and Swahili. How has not knowing my mother tongue affected me? Am happy and content with my life minus the mother tongue. How would being able to speak Kikuyu have benefitted my life?
tycho
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 11:07:41 AM
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A language is a worldview. If you were born in a certain language and then discarded the language then you've cut off a huge chunk of your sensibility.

Tribal clashes as depicted on this thread are because of European meddling and African political choices in response to the meddling.
hamburglar
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 11:24:19 AM
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tycho wrote:
A language is a worldview. If you were born in a certain language and then discarded the language then you've cut off a huge chunk of your sensibility.

Tribal clashes as depicted on this thread are because of European meddling and African political choices in response to the meddling.


Wewe you’ve still never gone to see a shrink until today?
Julie
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 12:03:34 PM
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Am personally very proud of my tribe and will do all i can to make sure my children learn to speak and appreciate their tradition.
As a parent, am instilling virtues that will integrate my children with society no matter the tribe or economic status. Am playing my part as a parent.

@Hamburglar
Am so sorry for you. You have no sence of belonging!
Will pray for you all the same and any other like minded individuals on this forum.
hamburglar
#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 12:23:15 PM
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Julie wrote:
Am personally very proud of my tribe and will do all i can to make sure my children learn to speak and appreciate their tradition.
As a parent, am instilling virtues that will integrate my children with society no matter the tribe or economic status. Am playing my part as a parent.

@Hamburglar
Am so sorry for you. You have no sence of belonging!
Will pray for you all the same and any other like minded individuals on this forum.


Don’t need your prayers and you don’t need to feel sorry for me for not knowing how to speak Kikuyu. Why would you feel sorry for me? What the hell? It’s not like I don’t have arms and legs for you to feel sorry for
me. Jesus, not knowing my mother tongue is now a handicap that needs prayers? The level of stupidity for some religious Kenyans is amazing. What exactly would you be praying for me for? I don’t get it.

Does it mean that you can’t instill moral virtues into children who don’t speak your mother tongue? Wonders never cease.

Those children that you are teaching your mother tongue might very well turn out to be the wazees like the ones I met that are disgustingly tribal. Am glad my parents never taught me Kikuyu, the little I know I learnt here and there. Maybe that’s why I am very uncomfortable around people who speak Kikuyu or Luo or whatever language in the presence of people from other tribes. How isn’t that not ignorant? People who’ve approached me with that Kikuyu shit know better next time they meet me. I don’t mince my words, I tell them to cut that shit out and sure enough, when we meet again, they always remember to speak in Swahili or English, a language that everybody around us understands.
tycho
#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 09, 2019 12:24:05 PM
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hamburglar wrote:
tycho wrote:
A language is a worldview. If you were born in a certain language and then discarded the language then you've cut off a huge chunk of your sensibility.

Tribal clashes as depicted on this thread are because of European meddling and African political choices in response to the meddling.


Wewe you’ve still never gone to see a shrink until today?


I'm waiting for the day I notice your IQ has improved from 35 to at least 50.
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