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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:Kenya Airways’ decision to sack a pilot who refused to fly a faulty plane has come back to haunt the national carrier, which now risks paying John Miriti Mbarire Sh181 million.
Mr Mbarire had his contract terminated for causing a 34-minute delay in a flight from Nairobi to Kisumu in 2017, and for allegedly using wrong channels to request a sick day.
The pilot was at the time five years from retirement so he wants KQ ordered to pay his salary and allowances for the period, totalling Sh170.3 million, and damages of Sh11.3 million for unlawful dismissal.
Had he completed the last 69 months of his flying career at KQ, Mr Mbarire would have earned Sh65.2 million in salaries, Sh95.9 million in flying allowances, Sh6.2 million in insurance cover for himself and his family and Sh3 million in travel allowances.
KQ insists it rightfully dismissed the pilot. In its defence, the national carrier insists that Mr Mbarire had a history of run-ins with authorities and that his responses were considered insufficient by a panel that presided over his disciplinary hearings. I have always said it here.... KQ HR and Legal dept has idiots..... They cost that company a lot of cash.... Bure kabisa.... How now? When one staff in a company constantly refers to every senior manager as fool or idiot you have to know that the problem may not necessarily be with the management but the staff. In this case @maka Am not the one having numerous court cases that I cant handle and screwing up all of them... The big one also coming up is the dismissal of Eng Oanda... Anyway... Sebastian is on his way out... Kazi imemshinda... I rem telling the fellow wont last... Habari ndio hiyo... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,566 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:Kenya Airways’ decision to sack a pilot who refused to fly a faulty plane has come back to haunt the national carrier, which now risks paying John Miriti Mbarire Sh181 million.
Mr Mbarire had his contract terminated for causing a 34-minute delay in a flight from Nairobi to Kisumu in 2017, and for allegedly using wrong channels to request a sick day.
The pilot was at the time five years from retirement so he wants KQ ordered to pay his salary and allowances for the period, totalling Sh170.3 million, and damages of Sh11.3 million for unlawful dismissal.
Had he completed the last 69 months of his flying career at KQ, Mr Mbarire would have earned Sh65.2 million in salaries, Sh95.9 million in flying allowances, Sh6.2 million in insurance cover for himself and his family and Sh3 million in travel allowances.
KQ insists it rightfully dismissed the pilot. In its defence, the national carrier insists that Mr Mbarire had a history of run-ins with authorities and that his responses were considered insufficient by a panel that presided over his disciplinary hearings. I have always said it here.... KQ HR and Legal dept has idiots..... They cost that company a lot of cash.... Bure kabisa.... How now? When one staff in a company constantly refers to every senior manager as fool or idiot you have to know that the problem may not necessarily be with the management but the staff. In this case @maka Am not the one having numerous court cases that I cant handle and screwing up all of them... The big one also coming up is the dismissal of Eng Oanda... Anyway... Sebastian is on his way out... Kazi imemshinda... I rem telling the fellow wont last... Habari ndio hiyo... This was a problematic staff who had several disciplinary matters including drunken predisposition.. Meanwhile, who clears the aircraft for serviceability? The flight engineer or the pilot? I mean, you expect the pilot to be aware of the mechanical state of the aircraft prior to each departure while on some short hops the pilot does not even disembark from the cockpit between two stops e.g Nairobi-Malindi for Jambojet.. The pilot is simply fed with the service data sheet and you know it
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:Kenya Airways’ decision to sack a pilot who refused to fly a faulty plane has come back to haunt the national carrier, which now risks paying John Miriti Mbarire Sh181 million.
Mr Mbarire had his contract terminated for causing a 34-minute delay in a flight from Nairobi to Kisumu in 2017, and for allegedly using wrong channels to request a sick day.
The pilot was at the time five years from retirement so he wants KQ ordered to pay his salary and allowances for the period, totalling Sh170.3 million, and damages of Sh11.3 million for unlawful dismissal.
Had he completed the last 69 months of his flying career at KQ, Mr Mbarire would have earned Sh65.2 million in salaries, Sh95.9 million in flying allowances, Sh6.2 million in insurance cover for himself and his family and Sh3 million in travel allowances.
KQ insists it rightfully dismissed the pilot. In its defence, the national carrier insists that Mr Mbarire had a history of run-ins with authorities and that his responses were considered insufficient by a panel that presided over his disciplinary hearings. I have always said it here.... KQ HR and Legal dept has idiots..... They cost that company a lot of cash.... Bure kabisa.... How now? When one staff in a company constantly refers to every senior manager as fool or idiot you have to know that the problem may not necessarily be with the management but the staff. In this case @maka Am not the one having numerous court cases that I cant handle and screwing up all of them... The big one also coming up is the dismissal of Eng Oanda... Anyway... Sebastian is on his way out... Kazi imemshinda... I rem telling the fellow wont last... Habari ndio hiyo... This was a problematic staff who had several disciplinary matters including drunken predisposition.. Meanwhile, who clears the aircraft for serviceability? The flight engineer or the pilot? I mean, you expect the pilot to be aware of the mechanical state of the aircraft prior to each departure while on some short hops the pilot does not even disembark from the cockpit between two stops e.g Nairobi-Malindi for Jambojet.. The pilot is simply fed with the service data sheet and you know it Mtalipa tu... More losses. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Btw @Obiero the only initiative that those Lolish consultants have done is turning HOTAC rates into a weekly bidding process... Thusthe lowest priced hotel gets the highest number of pax.... Apart from that they have done zero... Sebastian has no strategy.... Running around like a headless chicken... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Btw @Obiero the only initiative that those Lolish consultants have done is turning HOTAC rates into a weekly bidding process... Thusthe lowest priced hotel gets the highest number of pax.... Apart from that they have done zero... Sebastian has no strategy.... Running around like a headless chicken... Bogus consultants. They should all go away with Mikosz. I hope MJ have seen it all. At least he had to clarify if JKIA falls through then there are options if the right person is at the top. The pilot who is in court now should have been warned only. A warning letter was enough. If you read the grounds for dismissal as stated then all are so flimsy and he will carry the day in court. An experienced pilot can run the pre-flight checklist, scan systems and conduct analysis to determine if the equipment is fit to fly. A pilot can reject to fly a plane already cleared by an engineer.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,133 Location: Nairobi
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"Old KQ" should be put into administration. "New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,133 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. I am very sure you meant Receivership... No need to be polite 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,133 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? It's not about buying KQ shares and no i haven't bought Support e.g government employees when travelling abroad and regionally to use kq. Government parastatals when ordering goods abroad that come via air,they use kq Remove corruption and inefficiencies. Inefficiencies here for example reduce the percentage of employee costs to total revenue. KAA/Gok reduce the levies it charges kq for using Airports Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,133 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? It's not about buying KQ shares and no i haven't bought Support e.g government employees when travelling abroad and regionally to use kq. Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Government parastatals when ordering goods abroad that come via air,they use kq Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Remove corruption and inefficiencies. Agreed but that should not be limited to KQInefficiencies here for example reduce the percentage of employee costs to total revenue. What is GoK's or KAA's role here unless GoK freezes wages?
KAA/Gok reduce the levies it charges kq for using Airports Should be a special concession just for KQ?
What about other Kenyan airlines eg Silverstone?
If just for KQ vs across the board then what if other airports/countries retaliated eg LHR charged KQ more than it charges BA?
KGL charged KQ more than it charges RW?
JHB charged KQ more than it charges SAA? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? It's not about buying KQ shares and no i haven't bought Support e.g government employees when travelling abroad and regionally to use kq. Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Remove corruption and inefficiencies mentioned they will be able to match Government parastatals when ordering goods abroad that come via air,they use kq Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Remove corruption and inefficiencies. Agreed but that should not be limited to KQInefficiencies here for example reduce the percentage of employee costs to total revenue. What is GoK's or KAA's role here unless GoK freezes wages?
GOK corruption, KAA i didn't mention they need KAA role here
KAA/Gok reduce the levies it charges kq for using Airports Should be a special concession just for KQ?
What about other Kenyan airlines eg Silverstone?
Can be dealt on an individual basis and another topic.But to answer you yes extend to other local airlines
If just for KQ vs across the board then what if other airports/countries retaliated eg LHR charged KQ more than it charges BA?
They already do that.
KGL charged KQ more than it charges RW?yes. The Rwandair ceo mentioned during Africa CEO forum in kigali early this week.
JHB charged KQ more than it charges SAA? Yes. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,133 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? It's not about buying KQ shares and no i haven't bought Support e.g government employees when travelling abroad and regionally to use kq. Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Remove corruption and inefficiencies mentioned they will be able to match Government parastatals when ordering goods abroad that come via air,they use kq Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Responded above Remove corruption and inefficiencies. Agreed but that should not be limited to KQInefficiencies here for example reduce the percentage of employee costs to total revenue. What is GoK's or KAA's role here unless GoK freezes wages?
GOK corruption, KAA i didn't they need KAA role here
KAA/Gok reduce the levies it charges kq for using Airports Should be a special concession just for KQ?
What about other Kenyan airlines eg Silverstone?
Can be dealt on an individual basis and another topic.But to answer you yes extend to other local airlines
If just for KQ vs across the board then what if other airports/countries retaliated eg LHR charged KQ more than it charges BA?
They already do that.
KGL charged KQ more than it charges RW?yes. The Rwandair ceo mentioned during Africa CEO forum in kigali early this week.
JHB charged KQ more than it charges SAA? Yes. Circular argument. Start with removing corruption and inefficiencies that bedevil the entire country. So do you have any skin in the game except an indirect ownership like I do via Treasury? [Are there any losses you would suffer if KQ was put into administration?] Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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https://twitter.com/waka...tus/1111181919876796416 solid analysis here by the guys at Kenya Business Guide on the KQ-JKIA PIIP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? It's not about buying KQ shares and no i haven't bought Support e.g government employees when travelling abroad and regionally to use kq. Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Remove corruption and inefficiencies mentioned they will be able to match Government parastatals when ordering goods abroad that come via air,they use kq Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Responded above Remove corruption and inefficiencies. Agreed but that should not be limited to KQInefficiencies here for example reduce the percentage of employee costs to total revenue. What is GoK's or KAA's role here unless GoK freezes wages?
GOK corruption, KAA i didn't they need KAA role here
KAA/Gok reduce the levies it charges kq for using Airports Should be a special concession just for KQ?
What about other Kenyan airlines eg Silverstone?
Can be dealt on an individual basis and another topic.But to answer you yes extend to other local airlines
If just for KQ vs across the board then what if other airports/countries retaliated eg LHR charged KQ more than it charges BA?
They already do that.
KGL charged KQ more than it charges RW?yes. The Rwandair ceo mentioned during Africa CEO forum in kigali early this week.
JHB charged KQ more than it charges SAA? Yes. Circular argument. Start with removing corruption and inefficiencies that bedevil the entire country. Read my post #11880So do you have any skin in the game except an indirect ownership like I do via Treasury? KQ revival if done in the right way will be for the betterment of the economy[Are there any losses you would suffer if KQ was put into administration?] As a taxpayer and supplying companies owed debt by KQWealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,133 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? It's not about buying KQ shares and no i haven't bought Support e.g government employees when travelling abroad and regionally to use kq. Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Remove corruption and inefficiencies mentioned they will be able to match Government parastatals when ordering goods abroad that come via air,they use kq Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Responded above Remove corruption and inefficiencies. Agreed but that should not be limited to KQInefficiencies here for example reduce the percentage of employee costs to total revenue. What is GoK's or KAA's role here unless GoK freezes wages?
GOK corruption, KAA i didn't they need KAA role here
KAA/Gok reduce the levies it charges kq for using Airports Should be a special concession just for KQ?
What about other Kenyan airlines eg Silverstone?
Can be dealt on an individual basis and another topic.But to answer you yes extend to other local airlines
If just for KQ vs across the board then what if other airports/countries retaliated eg LHR charged KQ more than it charges BA?
They already do that.
KGL charged KQ more than it charges RW?yes. The Rwandair ceo mentioned during Africa CEO forum in kigali early this week.
JHB charged KQ more than it charges SAA? Yes. Circular argument. Start with removing corruption and inefficiencies that bedevil the entire country. Read my post #11880So do you have any skin in the game except an indirect ownership like I do via Treasury? KQ revival if done in the right way will be for the betterment of the economy[Are there any losses you would suffer if KQ was put into administration?] As a taxpayer and supplying companies owed debt by KQ The "New KQ" could achieve the same goal sooner. Dump the toxic staff. Keep useful assets. Keep the profitable & growth routes. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:"Old KQ" should be put into administration.
"New KQ" should take on the assets and staff it wants. And how will old kq repay the sh.222bn debt Do you think KQ in its current state can repay the net (assets-liabilities) loans it has taken on? Yes it can with the right support and management What does "support" mean? Have you bought KQ shares? It's not about buying KQ shares and no i haven't bought Support e.g government employees when travelling abroad and regionally to use kq. Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Remove corruption and inefficiencies mentioned they will be able to match Government parastatals when ordering goods abroad that come via air,they use kq Question: Should KQ match the fares offered by other airlines or should taxpayers pay a premium on KQ?Responded above Remove corruption and inefficiencies. Agreed but that should not be limited to KQInefficiencies here for example reduce the percentage of employee costs to total revenue. What is GoK's or KAA's role here unless GoK freezes wages?
GOK corruption, KAA i didn't they need KAA role here
KAA/Gok reduce the levies it charges kq for using Airports Should be a special concession just for KQ?
What about other Kenyan airlines eg Silverstone?
Can be dealt on an individual basis and another topic.But to answer you yes extend to other local airlines
If just for KQ vs across the board then what if other airports/countries retaliated eg LHR charged KQ more than it charges BA?
They already do that.
KGL charged KQ more than it charges RW?yes. The Rwandair ceo mentioned during Africa CEO forum in kigali early this week.
JHB charged KQ more than it charges SAA? Yes. Circular argument. Start with removing corruption and inefficiencies that bedevil the entire country. Read my post #11880So do you have any skin in the game except an indirect ownership like I do via Treasury? KQ revival if done in the right way will be for the betterment of the economy[Are there any losses you would suffer if KQ was put into administration?] As a taxpayer and supplying companies owed debt by KQ The "New KQ" could achieve the same goal sooner. Dump the toxic staff. Keep useful assets. Keep the profitable & growth routes. What about existing debt,who takes it up? Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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"Sadly, KQ pays Railway Maintenance Levy for its jet fuel, yet this levy goes to support a sector seen as a competitor. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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