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obiero wrote:Impunity wrote:Spikes wrote:whiteowl wrote:Alex can now retire in peace like all the other Kenyan crooks. He doesn't even need another job.That kickback money can last him 2 lifetimes. As for making a shorterm play with KQ,I would dissuade anyone from doing it.My main reason is negative equity. If things turn out as positive as @obiero is predicting and KQ start making 3B net profit/year, we will have to wait until 2027 so that we can move to positive territory. For now KQ is one big black hole like the Bermuda triangle. Any money you put in will disappear. I hope @obiero has read this! He daen't! @spikes what awaits KQ on 02.04.16.. I will inform all soon. Meanwhile, as impunity states, I daent care!! The black hole shall get filled soon enough. This is a high stakes gamble so if u dont know what is happening, keep far away or Kirubi and I will sh*ft you!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤔😋 ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2008 Posts: 199
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Flag carriers increasingly pose a “too big to fail” problem for some finance ministriesNot too dissimilar. Quote:
ECONOMISTS HAVE long recognised that governments allow some firms to get too big, to the cost of the public purse. When they fail, governments must bail them out to avoid a big economic hit. That implicit guarantee, in turn, encourages firms to grow recklessly. They rake in the profits in good times; when things go wrong, the state foots the bill.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,566 Location: nairobi
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tandich wrote:Flag carriers increasingly pose a “too big to fail” problem for some finance ministriesNot too dissimilar. Quote:
ECONOMISTS HAVE long recognised that governments allow some firms to get too big, to the cost of the public purse. When they fail, governments must bail them out to avoid a big economic hit. That implicit guarantee, in turn, encourages firms to grow recklessly. They rake in the profits in good times; when things go wrong, the state foots the bill.
True
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:tandich wrote:Flag carriers increasingly pose a “too big to fail” problem for some finance ministriesNot too dissimilar. Quote:
ECONOMISTS HAVE long recognised that governments allow some firms to get too big, to the cost of the public purse. When they fail, governments must bail them out to avoid a big economic hit. That implicit guarantee, in turn, encourages firms to grow recklessly. They rake in the profits in good times; when things go wrong, the state foots the bill.
True That's why i don't advocate for government guarantee. Kila mtu apambane na hali yake Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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ProverB wrote: For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00 Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100. = (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6% Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00 It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders. Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periods  For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6% For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6% For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6% For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1% Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor.  On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the c ompany is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency. The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published. A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment.  Ceteris paribus.  Wonderful observation there. Will incorporation of KAA -JKIA into allqueer matrix have a diminishing margin of return(operating margin) on JKIA-allqueer marriage in the long run or will vv apply. My postilation is, it won't. Reasons: 1. Allqueer is likely to absorb KAA and infuse bad influence into the smaller well cultured orgnsn 2. Allqueer having a too big to fail status will hear nothing of KAA but carnivorise it to the core. 3. Accounting and independence will be lost due to enlarged organogram and complexity ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,566 Location: nairobi
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muandiwambeu wrote:ProverB wrote: For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00 Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100. = (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6% Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00 It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders. Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periods For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6% For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6% For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6% For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1% Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the c ompany is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency. The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published. A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment. Ceteris paribus. Wonderful observation there. Will incorporation of KAA -JKIA into allqueer matrix have a diminishing margin of return(operating margin) on JKIA-allqueer marriage in the long run or will vv apply. My postilation is, it won't. Reasons: 1. Allqueer is likely to absorb KAA and infuse bad influence into the smaller well cultured orgnsn 2. Allqueer having a too big to fail status will hear nothing of KAA but carnivorise it to the core. 3. Accounting and independence will be lost due to enlarged organogram and complexity KAA only runs one facility profitably.. Just 1 out of 42 
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KAA kept in the dark over airport takeover - auditor https://www.businessdail...36362-la9adc/index.html
“There is no evidence of KAA management and board being involved in the Joint Cabinet Memorandum that was prepared and tabled in the Cabinet on May 29, 2018,” Mr Ouko says in a special audit of the proposed plan tabled in Parliament on Thursday. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ProverB wrote: For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00 Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100. = (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6% Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00 It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders. Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periods For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6% For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6% For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6% For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1% Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the c ompany is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency. The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published. A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment. Ceteris paribus. Wonderful observation there. Will incorporation of KAA -JKIA into allqueer matrix have a diminishing margin of return(operating margin) on JKIA-allqueer marriage in the long run or will vv apply. My postilation is, it won't. Reasons: 1. Allqueer is likely to absorb KAA and infuse bad influence into the smaller well cultured orgnsn 2. Allqueer having a too big to fail status will hear nothing of KAA but carnivorise it to the core. 3. Accounting and independence will be lost due to enlarged organogram and complexity KAA only runs one facility profitably.. Just 1 out of 42 KAA has a strategic plan and design for JKIA.They were to do Greenfield airport which was to serve international flights while the current JKIA was for domestic and regional flights. This plan was approved by Kibaki and grand coalition regime but Uhuru Kenyatta terminated it. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,566 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ProverB wrote: For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00 Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100. = (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6% Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00 It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders. Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periods For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6% For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6% For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6% For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1% Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the c ompany is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency. The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published. A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment. Ceteris paribus. Wonderful observation there. Will incorporation of KAA -JKIA into allqueer matrix have a diminishing margin of return(operating margin) on JKIA-allqueer marriage in the long run or will vv apply. My postilation is, it won't. Reasons: 1. Allqueer is likely to absorb KAA and infuse bad influence into the smaller well cultured orgnsn 2. Allqueer having a too big to fail status will hear nothing of KAA but carnivorise it to the core. 3. Accounting and independence will be lost due to enlarged organogram and complexity KAA only runs one facility profitably.. Just 1 out of 42 KAA has a strategic plan and design for JKIA.They were to do Greenfield airport which was to serve international flights while the current JKIA was for domestic and regional flights. This plan was approved by Kibaki and grand coalition regime but Uhuru Kenyatta terminated it. Where were they to obtain funds for their grand plans for JKIA?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ProverB wrote: For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00 Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100. = (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6% Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00 It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders. Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periods For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6% For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6% For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6% For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1% Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the c ompany is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency. The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published. A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment. Ceteris paribus. Wonderful observation there. Will incorporation of KAA -JKIA into allqueer matrix have a diminishing margin of return(operating margin) on JKIA-allqueer marriage in the long run or will vv apply. My postilation is, it won't. Reasons: 1. Allqueer is likely to absorb KAA and infuse bad influence into the smaller well cultured orgnsn 2. Allqueer having a too big to fail status will hear nothing of KAA but carnivorise it to the core. 3. Accounting and independence will be lost due to enlarged organogram and complexity KAA only runs one facility profitably.. Just 1 out of 42 KAA has a strategic plan and design for JKIA.They were to do Greenfield airport which was to serve international flights while the current JKIA was for domestic and regional flights. This plan was approved by Kibaki and grand coalition regime but Uhuru Kenyatta terminated it. Where were they to obtain funds for their grand plans for JKIA? Partly loan and reserves/retained earnings of KAA. KAA was to repay using its revenues which it would comfortably repay Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,566 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:ProverB wrote: For the year ended 31st March 2010, Kenya Airways Ltd recorded Total revenue of Kshs 70,743,000,000.00, and the company’s Operating Profit amounted to Kshs 1,839,000,000.00 Operating margin = (Operating Profit /Revenues) x 100. = (1,839,000,000.00 / 70,743,000,000.00) x 100 = 2.6% Out of every Kshs1.00 Kenya Airways collected as revenue in the year, it retained only Kshs 0.03, as operating profit after paying for the operational expenses incurred in getting that Kshs 1.00 It is out of that 3Cents that Kenya Airways is to pay out financial costs as well as taxes and the balance retained as profits for share holders. Should we choose to focus only on the company’s core business operations, Kenya Airways operational performance for the just ended period is rather dismal compared to the previous periods For 2010, Kenya Airways had an operating margin of 2.6% For 2009, the operating margin was 5.6% For 2008, the operating margin was 11.6% For 2007, the operating margin was 13.1% Declining operating margins over time should be a warning sign to any investor. On average, out of every kshs1 in revenues that Kenya Airways collects annually, it has overtime paid more and more in operational costs. It could imply that the c ompany is having difficulty in bringing in revenues considering that it registered slightly declined revenues compared to the previous year, or that the management is facing increasing challenges in improving the company’s Operational Efficiency. The 54.5% decline in Operating Profits might explain why despite reporting 148% improvement in earnings, the share registered a 8% decline in trading price as soon as results were published. A lot is learnt by observing Operating profits trend over time, but it should not be the only factor one considers when planning whether or not the Kenya Airways shares are a viable investment. Ceteris paribus. Wonderful observation there. Will incorporation of KAA -JKIA into allqueer matrix have a diminishing margin of return(operating margin) on JKIA-allqueer marriage in the long run or will vv apply. My postilation is, it won't. Reasons: 1. Allqueer is likely to absorb KAA and infuse bad influence into the smaller well cultured orgnsn 2. Allqueer having a too big to fail status will hear nothing of KAA but carnivorise it to the core. 3. Accounting and independence will be lost due to enlarged organogram and complexity KAA only runs one facility profitably.. Just 1 out of 42 KAA has a strategic plan and design for JKIA.They were to do Greenfield airport which was to serve international flights while the current JKIA was for domestic and regional flights. This plan was approved by Kibaki and grand coalition regime but Uhuru Kenyatta terminated it. Where were they to obtain funds for their grand plans for JKIA? Partly loan and reserves/retained earnings of KAA. KAA was to repay using its revenues which it would comfortably repay Do you know the annual revenue estimate for KAA?
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https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Mikosz--After-two-years-at--helm--KQ-financial-has-improved/1056-5038998-l9dnwiz/index.htmlKenya Airways chief executive Sebastian Mikosz answers your questions. There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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Agree that pax and cargo uplift is up but not enough to pull it out of the loss position.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,566 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:Agree that pax and cargo uplift is up but not enough to pull it out of the loss position. Finance costs are massively down thanks to the restructuring. Let's wait for the results which should be ought Wednesday this week. My forecast remains loss before tax of KES 5.6B
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:Agree that pax and cargo uplift is up but not enough to pull it out of the loss position. Finance costs are massively down thanks to the restructuring. Let's wait for the results which should be ought Wednesday this week. My forecast remains loss before tax of KES 5.6B Loss of sh.7bn before tax Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,566 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:Agree that pax and cargo uplift is up but not enough to pull it out of the loss position. Finance costs are massively down thanks to the restructuring. Let's wait for the results which should be ought Wednesday this week. My forecast remains loss before tax of KES 5.6B Loss of sh.7bn before tax Too steep. Not possible
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/6/2008 Posts: 199
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Up to when do they have to release FY18 results?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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ET & Lion Air issues - lack of proper training/ failure to adhere to standard safety procedures. Aircraft ordered with just bare minimum safety adds on. Lion Air crash - pilot on a previous flight flying as a passenger intervened when the pilots of that flight encountered the same problem and managed to contain the issue. South West & American Airlines pilots have also encountered similar issue and managed to overcome.
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KQ to buy 10 Boeing 737 Max 800 planes at 120B.
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