@Alma, I came across this statement some years back



And I have been trying (deliberately) to see things AS THEY ARE! sometimes it needs one to take a step back...
My question to you is where does 'conning' begin? where does 'cheerful giving' end? All Religions are built on shaky factual grounds... so all 'giving to God' is actually dubious since God does not actually receive it (there is a valid explanation to why this giving happens and valid explanation to why it should not happen - depending on which side of the myth you are in). if you ask akina @hamburgler - all of you are conned! they will say...there is no proof that God exists much less that he/she requested you to give 10% of your earnings (before taxes) to him/her.
What is my point in all this? Well... lets let grown-ups pick and chose the version of their myths/fiction/ideology they find explains this chaotic world best to them and thus makes them sleep at night. We should only move when their version of fiction causes physical damage to others other than themselves. We are all making up shit to make this place palatable as we go on anyway! Mtu akitoa kila kitu ni sawa! bora asikuombe... akifunga mwaka mzima...sawa! Akiuza kila kitu kama Anania na Safira - sawa! (always wondered why they were killed by the way).

I generally don't care what people believe and/or do provided it is within the confine of themselves. Now when they want me to 'join' them in whatever direction they have taken, then the brainwashing beings since they think theirs is the only way. I am a be and let me be kind of person. So being brainwashed exists in life - where believe and following is beyond the general average of a normal sampled population in the specific item - in this case Region/Christianity.

@mavegs, hasn't Owuor already caused physical damage to others - the lady?

FYI: Not every religion preaches "giving to God"... Check your notes properly. There is giving alms and charity, all these go to the poor. Which even @humburglar and @tokyo does everyday. Do not assume everyone is like you.

@Masukuma, there are times when one can speak for another. For example in cases of human trafficking.

That not withstanding, it can't be that ALL human relation is subjective. You seem to be pushing for the agenda, but the basis of all these words is that there's something you can say and all of us or most of us agree with.

Otherwise, why speak in the first place?

1. If you're speaking just because you can and you have the platform, and nothing more, how then does collective action arise?

Since a human depends on others for survival it can't be that speech is just a decoration and has no importance in survival.

2. The basis of the law can't be individual opinion. If it were so, then it would never be the law. It would be mere opinion.

Again, even if someone told you 'kill me'. What conditions would have to be met to ensure that in fact there was consent?

How about the instance of what we may call 'constructive duress'? It may happen in the battlefield in the case of soldiers. War is intense and the emotional weight of going to battle is harrowing. The soldier may give up easily even with a non fatal wound.

3. It must be an objective fact that humans should always act in the best way to preserve themselves. Action to the contrary is deemed immoral. Otherwise we'd never talk of crime.

4. Therefore the main use of speech is to generate knowledge that will sustain survival. Being.