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Marriage Survey
tony stark
#61 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:30:24 PM
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sky5 wrote:
Marriage Tips.
1. Is marriage forever?
Yes. Marriage should be forever. It is a lifetime covenant. Think before you enter into it. If you try marriage, you will live in trials. When you commit to marriage you will live in comfort.

2. Marriage is hard work. Work it out.
Marriage is not a bed of roses. Even if it was, roses have thorns. Marriage is hard work. Unless you work it out, nothing works.

3. It is OK to be angry; and you may sometimes go to bed mad (and may even wake up madder). But don’t let anger cloud your thinking and love. Remember, you may cause your partner to be mad.

4. You will go without sex — sometimes for a long time — and that's okay.
Marriage is not just for sex! Sex is very good in marriage, But you can go without it for long if circumstances demand so. E.g. in sickness, pregnancy etc. So don't demand it!

5. Don’t always demand to have your way; Find the best way to go together.
No one knows it all. It is said that an average person is wrong 50% of the time. If you are wrong 50% of the time, how dare think the other person is wrong.

6. A great marriage doesn't mean no conflict; It simply means a couple keeps trying to get it right. In my language we say that: two axes in the same bag must collide. But they shouldn’t destroy each other.

7. Don’t try to change the other person. Change yourself first.
Never attempt to change the other person. Change yourself first. The other partner is a true reflection you.

8. Share fears and insecurities together, your partner is your mate and helper.
Everyone needs help at some point. Help each other. Marriage is not a sprint. It is a long and tedious journey. Walk together and help each other along the way.

Nice tips except for tip number 4. This nonchalant attitude towards sex is what gets the Mpango ya kando in to the picture in the first place. They exploit a need that the man requires and once they have their claws in they wont let go!!I agree you shouldn't demand for sex but it should be dished out regularly.
I just have to ask are you a Woman? Im not being sexist I want to satisfy my curiosity!
story teller
#62 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 5:10:29 AM
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My 2 Cents..

The key to a successful marriage is "communication". You need to talk to each other and not at each other. When communication breaks down, sit down and talk about the issues.You can't just wish away problems. Without communication, the relationship will head south very very fast. This is the biggest deal breaker in any relationship and surprisingly the most ignored.

Spend quality time with your family/spouse.Women feel unappreciated if all you do is spend time with the "boys". Do not treat your wife/significant other like a doormat...to be seen but not to heard..with you making all the decisions and ignoring her input.

Spend time with your kids as they grow up. Attend basketball, ballet, tennis or soccer games or just simply spend time with them. This is what kids remember when they grow up and shape up their perception on their future partners (my dad was never around when i was going for basketball practice).How kids grow up shapes their adulthood.

Surprise you spouse! A surprise candlelit dinner for two at a swanky restaurant. You will be amazed at the results. Women are emotional beings while men are physical. You take care of the emotions and everything else falls into place. Little secret. Women and Kids crave for attention..your attention.Give it to them and you will be the happiest man alive!

Make my/your money "our money". I know this is hard for most but you will be amazed at the results.To be continued...



It's not hard to make decisions when you know what your values are.
mukiha
#63 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 11:04:52 AM
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Have you heard about Gary Chapman's 5 languages of love. They are wort thinking about. Figure out your partner's language and use.

Lest I am accused of being an westernised idealist, let me be clear. Try them out. If they don't work, at least you will know that you loved your partner enough to try!

So here we go:

1. Words of Affirmation

Actions don’t always speak louder than words. If this is your love language, unsolicited compliments mean the world to you. Hearing the words, “I love you,” are important—hearing the reasons behind that love sends your spirits skyward. Insults can leave you shattered and are not easily forgotten.

2. Quality Time

In the vernacular of Quality Time, nothing says, “I love you,” like full, undivided attention. Being there for this type of person is critical, but really being there—with the TV off, fork and knife down, and all chores and tasks on standby—makes your significant other feel truly special and loved. Distractions, postponed dates, or the failure to listen can be especially hurtful.

3. Receiving Gifts

Don’t mistake this love language for materialism; the receiver of gifts thrives on the love, thoughtfulness, and effort behind the gift. If you speak this language, the perfect gift or gesture shows that you are known, you are cared for, and you are prized above whatever was sacrificed to bring the gift to you. A missed birthday, anniversary, or a hasty, thoughtless gift would be disastrous—so would the absence of everyday gestures.

4. Acts of Service

Can vacuuming the floors really be an expression of love? Absolutely! Anything you do to ease the burden of responsibilities weighing on an “Acts of Service” person will speak volumes. The words he or she most want to hear: “Let me do that for you.” Laziness, broken commitments, and making more work for them tell speakers of this language their feelings don’t matter.

5. Physical Touch

This language isn’t all about the bedroom. A person whose primary language is Physical Touch is, not surprisingly, very touchy. Hugs, pats on the back, holding hands, and thoughtful touches on the arm, shoulder, or face—they can all be ways to show excitement, concern, care, and love. Physical presence and accessibility are crucial, while neglect or abuse can be unforgivable and destructive.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mukiha
#64 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 11:07:40 AM
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BTW: You don't have to do all of them. Find out which of the 5 languages your partner understands and then use that one.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
sky5
#65 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 11:24:05 AM
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@Tony Stark. I think it is unfair for one to use sex (the denial of it) as a weapon. This is manipulative and should never be encouraged. This is not what I meant. I agree that sex should be dished out regularly. I was advocating for self control where circumstances dictate it.

Regarding the question of whether I am a woman, what do you think? Read my lips.
Jacy26
#66 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 12:22:41 PM
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When a man is dating his girlfriend with the intention of marring her, he will spend lots of time getting to know her, take her seriously and show her that he loves her by actions and actually saying the words, but then when they get married things change, no more verbal expression of love and it's now becomes unmanly to say those words. Women are emotional and that is a fact. So @Kusadikika what are you saying that you cannot verbalize your love, kwani how did you court your wife?
If you have only one smile in you, give it to the people you love - Maya Angelou
Ric dees
#67 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 12:34:33 PM
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@Muchknow..

Remember when you fell in love: The intensity of emotion, the excitement, the
passion. Remember wanting to know every little detail about that person; wanting to
spend as much time as possible with that special one. When we fall in love, everything
feels fresh and new. Falling in love can take many forms. As parents, we can fall in love
with our children. That first moment with our child can capture our hearts.

The challenge in any relationship is to capture and maintain those feelings. Over
time as we learn about each other, we become accustomed to our personalities, and we no
longer take the time to appreciate the little things about each other that we once thought
were endearing. In a romantic relationship, we can become complacent. With parenting,
we can simply be too busy. Then suddenly, our children have grown up, and we struggle
to remember those cherished moments.
Have you ever reflected back on life and asked, “Where did the time go?”

As parents, it is easy to get overwhelmed by day-to-day activities and miss the wonderful
changes occurring in our spouses or children’s lives. We get so involved in daily chores and the
minutia of life that we sometimes miss the very being we are trying to create and nurture.
Children are small for such a short period of time. Before we know it they are toddlers,
then school age, then teenagers. One way to savor these precious years is to take the time
to fall in love with your child and to maintain that loving relationship throughout each
stage of childhood.

When I mention the idea of falling in love with your child, some parents have an
instant affinity with the concept and speak fondly about their love affair with their child.
Other parents, however, struggle with falling in love with their child. They love their
children but don’t understand what it takes to cherish each moment ie(Muchknow) They are too bogged
down with life to enjoy any one part of it.
Some of the best advice I received as a new dad was to enjoy the “hold me”
days rather than resist or regret them. You know the days when Baby wants to be held all
day, and you can’t get anything done. This friend told me how much she regretted
worrying over the household chores rather than enjoying that time bonding with her
child. When you spend your time with your child preoccupied with or worried about
other things, you are really not spending time with your child. You are not enjoying your
child. Dishes, laundry, and other chores will always be there. Your child will only be
this age once. Before you know it those “hold me” days or “I need attention” days
disappear and what emerges is a more independent toddler who fights to get out of your
lap just seconds after climbing up into it. Then that sweet toddler who wants you to play
with her constantly turns into a child who would rather be with friends than stay home
and play with mom or dad. I have tried hard to follow this sage advice, and I have
learned to view these days as treasures. “Hold me” days are my daughter’s way of telling
me she needs time with me. Each of these days is a gold nugget for me to treasure in my
heart for a lifetime to come.
Taking pleasure in each moment of your child’s life also means living in the
moment. Take time to enjoy each new stage of your child’s development rather than
wishing that the next stage would come along. When we constantly look for the next
stage rather than focus on the present one, we end up living in the future, not the present.
We are either wishing our child’s life away (i.e. “I can’t wait for her to learn to talk.”).

The other extreme happens when we finally realize what we have missed and we long for
those nostalgic days of past stages (i.e. “Remember when she loved to cuddle and would
sit in my lap for hours.”). What we actually lose is the joy of watching our child grow
and develop in the moment. Each developmental stage in your child’s life has its own
treasure box overflowing with gifts for both of you to discover. Take the time to focus on
what your child is learning now regardless of what it is (i.e. sitting up, walking, reading,
sports, etc…) and savor the aspects of her personality that help her learn each new skill.
It won’t be long before she has mastered that skill and moved on to another. Make the
effort to get on the floor and crawl around and play, build a fort, or create a new game in
the tub. Your child’s personality will unfold before your eyes if you pay close enough
attention. You have a front row seat to this amazing creature developing before you.
Take time now to enjoy the show.

Loving relationships are characterized by closeness, intimacy, and affection.
Falling in love with your child follows the same pattern. Touch is essential to human
existence: our physical, emotional, and psychological well-being depend on touch and
affection for survival. Your child craves touch from you, and both of you will benefit
equally from frequent affection with each other. Find time each day to be affectionate
with your child. Look for opportunities to snuggle or hug and kiss. Take advantage of
putting her to sleep or waking up, take naps together, or snuggle up and read for quiet
time.

Look for opportunities in
the day. When she dumps that bowl of spaghetti on her head, consider it a time to laugh
together and enjoy being close as you wash it out. When you are in love, you want to be
as physically close and affectionate as possible. Mothers who work outside the home talk
about wanting to rush home to spend as much time as possible with their children that
they can. A loving, affectionate relationship can be accomplished by taking advantage of
the time you have and focusing that time on your child.
In a romantic relationship, it is important to make time for each other that is
special and focuses on each other. Falling in love with your child is no different. Time is
important. That is, time that allows the two of you to connect and interact in a way that is
all your own. Find the time to do special activities with your child that only the two of
you do. This is a good opportunity for rituals or traditions. Children love one-on-one
time that focuses on them, and they love repetition.When we get a chance even
now to slip away, just the two of us, we do. You do not have to be extravagant; you
don’t even have to spend money. Be creative with your selections. The important thing
is making the opportunity happen. You are creating a confident, happy, self-assured
child and memories to last a lifetime for both of you.
One thing to be cautious about when falling in love with your child is not to allow
the relationship with your child to overpower or disrupt your relationship with your
spouse. You are not choosing one over the other or loving one more than the other. Your
relationship with your spouse must be paramount if the marriage is to survive, and
research bears out the fact children whose parents love each other and stay together
benefit in life. I am not suggesting that children of single parents will not succeed, but
they often have more challenges to overcome. Allowing yourself to fall in love with your
child does not forsake other relationships in your life. Rather, it complements them
adding more depth and intimacy to you and your subsequent relationships.
Falling in love with your child by that first glance or first touch is the easy part.
It’s maintaining that feeling throughout each stage of childhood and the challenging times
that is difficult. The goal is to prioritize your time remembering that spending time with
your child is on the list and should be in the top three spots. However, sometimes our
days get turned upside down and the priority list is shot. These are the challenging days
when we are better off giving in to the flow and following the needs of the child rather
than stressing ourselves out by forcing our child to maintain our schedule for the sake of
the schedule. What you will discover when you allow yourself to simply spend time with
your child is a closer, more intimate relationship. You will be less stressed, and your
child will have her needs met. This romance with your child will change as she develops
more autonomy and independence. In a blink, your child will be grown and your
relationship changed – not better or worse, just different. Make the effort now to capture
this moment in time and savor it for a lifetime. Tomorrow will bring new adventures and
new memories. Let today be your focus.

Excerpt By Christine Belaire, Phd

So muchknow, call me an idealist but i choose what i want for my wife and child if it's beneath you well too bad.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
kadonye
#68 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 1:38:22 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
How many other things are we supposed to say, I am breathing, my heart is beating, my blood is flowing, I am alive, I am awake etc.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
I wanted to criticise your views.Then I remembered a conversation I had with my colleague about the issue of love.Her conclusion was that in the olden days when love and too much expression o fit was not viewed as central to a relationship,families were stable and so was society in general.

Then came the demand to be loved, increased clamour for women rights and the big one-MONEY.(I'm waiting for kesho's Nation, there's an article on that)

My dad never told me he loved me but his actions showed it.He got very concerned when I told him I was ill.He took trouble to wait for me in town in the evening and gave me a ride home when I was in college.My parents were old fashioned and we inherited it.I've never showed any emotion towards my siblings.We never hug or tell each other that we love each other.Yet there is unity.

However, I think this old Afican method will die off.I don't mind trying out what Ric dees and Mukiha have advised.

What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
Much Know
#69 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 2:53:03 PM
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@ricdees, interesting you should write a response today because this topic has been quite on my mind today. Actually looked @story teller post on "communication" and was like Oh boy! Not again. Let me make my case before I come to appear as some pigheaded conservative fellow when I insist that marriage and relationships will need to focus more on rationale and planning than feeling. I hope to site a number of people (just as you have done):-

The notions of “Instant gratification”, gratification and deferred gratification are covered by David Goleman in his book Emotional intelligence, which is a groundbreaking work on relationships in many spheres of life. Let’s look at them in family relationships

I believe many of the failures in society stem from the need for instant or quick gratification. We as investors know this too well, we talk of “long-term” over “short-term”. Adam Smith wrote “with regard to profusion, the principle which prompts to expense is the passion for present enjoyment; which though sometimes violent and very difficult to be restrained, is in general only momentary and occasional. But the Condition which prompts to save is the desire of bettering our condition”. The urge to be doting upon your kids every other time is fine, but the true test is to control it. Societies that have exposed us to this, particularly through T.V, (note my list of divorce rates U.S, U.K), seem to have significant failures in marriage as compared to say more conservative societies such as the Indians, Japanese, Turks etc. My problem with this laissez faire upbringing is not that we shouldn’t once in a while cuddle toddlers, affirm, encourage, and hold hands as family but this behavior takes “extravagant” extremes to the point of being a tool for instant gratification. The “I love you, hugs and kisses” becomes an instant on-demand statement of approval; DEMAND: “I love you Joe”, RETURN: “I love you too Daddy”. I believe this is a form of abuse, and why some of these unions don’t hold, they are fake and manipulative. I believe your child should learn to read your emotional cues without this form of manipulation and so should you learn to do the same. An achievement can be marked by the words “you have made me proud”; I think it is rewarding enough. Let’s not “dilute” the power of some of these statements, which we know in our hearts when they are occasionally due. Should I not wait for the long term where my children will approve of how I brought them up and whether I really do love them when they are adults and can look back and see what kind of dad I am? By the way the argument about laptops and westerners is cheap; Modernization should not be confused with Westernization.

The above said your wife is an adult. Obviously how you handle each other as adults is your prerogative, she obviously needs your affection and reassurance, but what is the best way to go about this? This is why I was writing about the research on choosing a spouse, you do not want arguments over money, authority etc becoming a major issue. You also want someone who is reasonable and can understand your approach and the basis of your approach (an intelligent woman), rather than some pretty chic who thinks life is a TV sitcom, soap opera or who thinks marriage is a competition. You need to PLAN logically and not emotionally around your choice of a wife; you should have a clear picture of what role she will play and her abilities to play it. This does not mean it will be a “mechanical” marriage, but the basis for love will have a stronger foundation
A New Kenya
Kusadikika
#70 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 7:12:30 PM
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@Ric Dees

What you write has a very good feeling about it but I would want to argue that it may be detrimental to the child. I would want to believe that the whole idea of parenthood is to be able to eventually wean yourself out of the job. To bring up the child to be independent, useful to himself and to society. To be responsible for his actions and of good judgement. This sometimes requires that the child learn to deal with unpleasant circumstances.

Now a child brought up in an incubator (this is what this warm, lovey dovey, caring home situation you describe feels like) will in my opinion think of himself as the centre of the world. The moment he steps out of the door and realizes he is not the centre of the world for other people he will come running home and cling to your clothes to the age of 40.

Let me take as an example the situation you describe when the child sometimes likes to be held. It would be a worthy lesson for him to know that sometimes you will feel like that and that the world does not bend over backwards to hold you.

To learn to live and work through feelings of dejection and sadness and even hostility is important. It is life. By overprotection you transmit your own insecurities to the child and in effect make them weaker rather than strengthen them. Which heaven is this you are preparing them for where they will never feel sad, embarassed, stupid, pain, hot, cold, lonely etc without the world stopping to come help them out of it? The world is what it is and while you do not set out to deliberately harm your children it would be nice to know that they come out of your house capable of handling whatever incidental little knocks life throws at them.

It is important that you be free to express your true feelings with them. If they do something that angers you then it is important that they see your anger. It is also important for children to learn early that their actions have consequences. Some actions have pleasant consequences and some have painful consequences and I believe they should learn this not in a lecture (eg. if you do this it will make mommy angry) but by experiencing the consequences first hand. It helps build their sense of judgement and they learn to control their own behaviour.

If you were to choose.

Situation 1: Your son is 30 years old. He is independent, responsible and takes care of himself and his wife and children. You two are not close, in fact you only talk twice a year.

Situation 2: Your son is 30 years old. He lives at home. He has just quit the last job you found for him because the boss is an ass. He daily tells you of what a perfect parent you are. He loves you dearly and tells you this every day.


In your heart of hearts in which situation would you say, "I am proud of my son?"
wazo
#71 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 9:42:48 PM
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Speaking of the Joneses,haven't you heard,they are having a hard time keeping up with themselves these days.

When it comes to marriage & kids my policy remains steadfastly simple;don't,and er,well,don't bother.May be I keep all the wrong company but am afraid all married folk I know work harder to cheat on their spouses than anything else I ever see them do.Then they turn around and tell me that it really is time I got myself a wife,pledging hefty cash rewards+participation.

What can I say,its equivalent to rooting for virginity by having sex,isn't it?

Guess we're not all cut out for it,starting with yours truely.

Relatives,. . .nothing a short,sharp,lash about the state of their own sorry unions can't solve,and a brief discourse on how the race is not about to go extinct on account of your insignificant reproductive status.. . .plenty of cash helps too.

wazo
#72 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 10:18:53 PM
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If you don't have time to be with those of your issue,kindly desist from reproducing;its the proper thing to do-I've done it all my 34 or so years,and intend to keep it that way.Be fair to others,not irresponsible family men,who seem to be the rule here.
wazo
#73 Posted : Friday, June 25, 2010 11:15:48 PM
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Youwillbestoppedanyway,

What groupielove was saying,I think,is that your "alternative method of making marriage work" is somewhat far-fetched,unrealistic,cosmetic & irrelevant to his/her circumstance,and that you oughta quit that horridious highnose-blah blah as it really isn't the in-thing to conform to all that femme-jazz you preach,and that while he/she will keep the 'phone/laptop',he/she's uninterested in your 'Western philosophy of marriages' lecture,seeing as its borrowed from places exceeding 70% in matters divorce.
tony stark
#74 Posted : Saturday, June 26, 2010 12:54:11 AM
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sky5 wrote:
@Tony Stark. I think it is unfair for one to use sex (the denial of it) as a weapon. This is manipulative and should never be encouraged. This is not what I meant. I agree that sex should be dished out regularly. I was advocating for self control where circumstances dictate it.

Regarding the question of whether I am a woman, what do you think? Read my lips.


My apologies. I should have looked at your profile and previous posts.
atiriri
#75 Posted : Monday, June 28, 2010 11:56:11 AM
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sky5 wrote:
@Tony Stark. I think it is unfair for one to use sex (the denial of it) as a weapon. This is manipulative and should never be encouraged. This is not what I meant. I agree that sex should be dished out regularly. I was advocating for self control where circumstances dictate it.

Regarding the question of whether I am a woman, what do you think? Read my lips.


She is a woman, that is why she is advocating for self control.
Wendz
#76 Posted : Monday, June 28, 2010 1:29:17 PM
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Good people, we all express love differently.... Understand your spouse/partner/girlfriend/boyfriend/parents/siblings/children because they all understand love in different ways.

For example, i dont remember my father telling me he loves me and i dont even doubt his love for me or any of my siblings.. he has different other ways of expressing his love to us and we do understand. My mom only told us she loves us after thoroughly beating us and i think she must have felt guilty and would later tells us "you know i love you very much and i hate beating you up but i have to beat the "mistake" out of you"! hehehehehe... Of course i would have loved they told me more often. Actually even for me, it is a deliberate effort that i have decided to take to tell them that i do love them and you can see they are happy to hear it but it wont come from them.... but i dont confuse their not saying that they love me any less.

Personally, i tell my son i love him every day even if i am out of town but that does not mean that we keep the rod any further than it should be. He does understand (I hope) that despite loving him alot, we have my duties to do as parents and this includes maintaining the discipline whenever the situation calls for it. The fact that you tell your children or spouse you love them shouldnt mean the family rules will not be followed or anyone will be taken for granted. Same as siblings. You let them know you love them and you support them, but you also have your limits on what you expect of them. That the fact that you said you love them, shouldnt mean that they have the right to cross your boundaries. I think its what obama would call "tough love"...

Dont confuse loving your family with irresponsible parenthood.

"Tell" your family you love them in the language they understand..... If you are genuine, they definitely will pick it... There is no right or wrong way to show your love. Show it to them the way you know how to and the way they understand it but by all means, show it. Its not a weakness.
atiriri
#77 Posted : Monday, June 28, 2010 3:12:15 PM
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AMEN, wendz. Let those who say 'I Love yous to continue if that makes their family unite and happy. For those who dont believe in the words, you also continue your way. njia ya kufika mbinguni ni mingi.

As for me i believe in the magic words

Thank you
I love you
I am sorry
Forgive me
youcan'tstopusnow
#78 Posted : Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:41:20 AM
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Ric Dees, just wondering, would you beat your child if he/she is in the wrong?
Or do you believe in the very ineffective "timeouts"?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Mwafrika31
#79 Posted : Friday, July 02, 2010 4:38:36 AM
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@Ric Dees as your name suggests you are an mentally colonized African self hater. You preach all this western crap about touchy feeling relationships. Kids in the west are indulged in by their parents, they are told they are special, are never seriously punished and are spoilt to the hilt. They have no respect for authority or loyalty to family members.

How many of them wazungus u worship so much, tell me they haven't seen their parents, siblings for years? How many of them live absurd lives of marital break up after break up because they have not been told that life is not about being special, but all about taking responsibility. Learning about marriage and family life from Americans is like going to hell to be trained how to make it into heaven.

Poor dumbass Africans running to become Americans who are the worst example ever. America has the highest family violence rate, divorce rate, child sexual abuse rate, and pre-teen and teen suicide rate in the world. I have seen suicide manic depression pathology among five year olds?

This touchy feeling BS does not work. Grown men hugging (full frontal)their teen daughters only leads to sex abuse of those girls. Rotten kids produce rotten families and the society goes down. I know a lot about American family life coz I'm a school teacher here in the US and I've seen enough to know that our grandfathers were right.
KenyanLyrics
#80 Posted : Monday, July 05, 2010 8:10:20 PM
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I'm still a young man trying to figure all this relationship stuff out. I can tell you a few things I have learned over the years:

- Marriage is a partnership. However, you have people preaching the fallacy that it is an equal partnership. Equality is a flawed ideal. For a successful partnership, you must have a hierarchy.

- Also, there must be a NEED being fulfilled in the partnership. If there is no tangible NEED for the other party, then there is no reason to stick it out through thick and thin.

To explain my reasoning, I can use an analogy of a cart and a horse:

Cart + horse = efficiency
cart + cart = stagnation
horse + horse = race
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