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akowally
#41 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:12:56 PM
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Not got time to read through all of these but surely know that when people use the bible in their lifestyles then the family unit will work out great. I am a happily married person and have gone through all sorts of situations described here. It was not always easy until we used the bible as our standard. Verses like 1 Peter 3.1-6, Eph 5.33 e.t.c. God always has great plans for everyone just as he says in Jer 29.11, accept him and get sound doctrine and your marriage will surely work with Jesus as your King, your Lord, your saviour, your guider and protector and your all in all through all.

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Much Know
#42 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:02:57 PM
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@Mukiha, maybe you didn't read my post on page 1, it links to the one on the Page 2
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youcan'tstopusnow
#43 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:42:43 PM
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groupielove wrote:
I don't agree with anything that you've said above. That's so western. This is Africa my friend and though i don't have to whisper love words to my loved ones, they will know by my action that they are loved

Ati that's so western? Then throw away the laptop/phone you're using to post comments to Wazua since it's also "Western"
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gathinga
#44 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:11:17 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
groupielove wrote:
I don't agree with anything that you've said above. That's so western. This is Africa my friend and though i don't have to whisper love words to my loved ones, they will know by my action that they are loved

Ati that's so western? Then throw away the laptop/phone you're using to post comments to Wazua since it's also "Western"

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Pablo
#45 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:11:59 PM
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Whar does Ric Dee's list of divorce rates have in common with women's empowerment? - Its the same list bottom up.

Is it that women are mostly unhappy with marriage, the list just denotes where they have been economically and socially empowered? - Sweden Last? India First?

Just wondering.

atiriri
#46 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:19:30 PM
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atiriri
#47 Posted : Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:27:06 PM
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gathinga wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
groupielove wrote:
I don't agree with anything that you've said above. That's so western. This is Africa my friend and though i don't have to whisper love words to my loved ones, they will know by my action that they are loved

Ati that's so western? Then throw away the laptop/phone you're using to post comments to Wazua since it's also "Western"

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Ric dees
#48 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:28:53 PM
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@Gathinga..how does one deal with the roving eye lol. When i was in high school i loved this song "Can you be reach and be ghetto" What to me translated is that can you be successful and still be cool and live the life so to speak as opposed to being stuck up with a stiff upper lip.

I did my undergrad in the US and my post grad here..in other words been there done that, what you see on movies bout US colleges is all true, the parties, orgies, drugs.. Having said that i feel i lived my youth to the fullest as the Bible tells us, and quite frankly nothing seems to surprise or shock me. One thing i learnt all what you see out there is the same, just packaged differently...more often than not you will get disappointed.

Meanwhile Darth Vader (George Osborne) strikes again..in the budget Capital Gains tax has risen to 28% WTF!!!

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
atiriri
#49 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:24:49 PM
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@RIC DEES

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theman192000
#50 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:10:17 PM
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Many years ago there lived a priest who was deeply committed to his faith and would pray diligently every morning. One day a stray cat wandered into the parish compound where the priest was deep in prayer and the cat, seeking warmth, began to rub against the priest distracting him from prayer. This went on for a few days until the priest decided to buy a leash for the cat. So when the cat came into the compound the priest would tether the cat to the leash and continue with his prayers.

After a couple of years, the priest was getting on and a new priest came to the parish to take over from the older priest. They prayed together every morning and the cat without fail was at the compound tethered to the leash. The younger priest never questioned the presence of the cat during the morning prayers.

Soon thereafter the elderly priest died and the younger priest took over the running of the parish. He too prayed every morning and the cat came and was tethered to the leash.

Unfortunately the cat also died and the young priest wishing to carry on with tradition went out and bought another cat, tethered it to the leash and continued with the morning prayers.

This anecdote illustrates some of the beliefs we carry forward from yesteryear without thought. We end up embracing them because we found those before us doing the same. The few that question these beliefs are often told it’s our culture or it’s our tradition. More often than not this is because the real reasons these beliefs came to be were lost along the way.

I think we seriously need to have a long hard look at the institution of marriage in light of the ever changing environment that we now live in. Just like the world today where you either innovate or die, the same can be said for the notion of marriage.
leona
#51 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:25:41 PM
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@Ric Dees and Mukiha
I wish you guys would organise a retreat or something similar and speak to some of your brothers out there coz honestly,most men treat their women very badly..it makes me shudder to imagine the kind of husbands that roam our streets. Seriously consider such..you never know,it would save many a home in crisis. Kudos for being good hubbies and fathers,you're more like the rare/endangered species!
Nevermind what haters say, ignore them til they fade away - Just live your life
msotoville
#52 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:22:50 PM
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@theman19000

I agree with you kiasi. Marriage in the 21st century is all about innovate or die.

Women have graduated from mere baby-making machines and glorified domestic servants with a gold wedding band.
I wasn't always a "model hubby" until the Msotress was hospitalized for a couple of months. I learned first hand what it means being a mother juggling a household, a small business and four kids (the fourth kid being me!smile ).

It's unfortunate that we men don't realize what we've got till we lose it. I count myself a trillion times lucky.

IMHO, men need to evolve like yesterday. Kikuyu men, especially. Despite being half kyuk, must admit my brothers in nyumba need a miracle of Red Sea proportions.
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aemathenge
#53 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:45:41 PM
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Had you been near me, @Msotoville, I would shove your head up your donkey, if it not up already.

A bad husband is a bad husband irrespective of tribe, race or colour.

Leave tribe out of this.

Shame on you Noo uyu!
sky5
#54 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:10:31 PM
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Marriage Tips.
1. Is marriage forever?
Yes. Marriage should be forever. It is a lifetime covenant. Think before you enter into it. If you try marriage, you will live in trials. When you commit to marriage you will live in comfort.

2. Marriage is hard work. Work it out.
Marriage is not a bed of roses. Even if it was, roses have thorns. Marriage is hard work. Unless you work it out, nothing works.

3. It is OK to be angry; and you may sometimes go to bed mad (and may even wake up madder). But don’t let anger cloud your thinking and love. Remember, you may cause your partner to be mad.

4. You will go without sex — sometimes for a long time — and that's okay.
Marriage is not just for sex! Sex is very good in marriage, But you can go without it for long if circumstances demand so. E.g. in sickness, pregnancy etc. So don't demand it!

5. Don’t always demand to have your way; Find the best way to go together.
No one knows it all. It is said that an average person is wrong 50% of the time. If you are wrong 50% of the time, how dare think the other person is wrong.

6. A great marriage doesn't mean no conflict; It simply means a couple keeps trying to get it right. In my language we say that: two axes in the same bag must collide. But they shouldn’t destroy each other.

7. Don’t try to change the other person. Change yourself first.
Never attempt to change the other person. Change yourself first. The other partner is a true reflection you.

8. Share fears and insecurities together, your partner is your mate and helper.
Everyone needs help at some point. Help each other. Marriage is not a sprint. It is a long and tedious journey. Walk together and help each other along the way.
willin2learn
#55 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:18:08 PM
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The finger as per the foregoing is fixedly pointed on men. They are the new Homemakers. Maybe a fe contributions from ladies on what they can do to make a marriage work. I am not absolving men but our ladies also plays a part..
everlasting
#56 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:02:18 PM
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To all the men: Words that women use

Fine: This is the word women use to end an argument when they are right and you need to shut up.
2. Five Minutes: If she is getting dressed, this means a half an hour. Five minutes is only five minutes if you have just been given five more minutes to watch the game before helping around the house.
3. Nothing: This is the calm before the storm. This means something, and you should be on your toes. Arguments that begin with nothing usually end in fine.
4. Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don ' t Do It!
5. Loud Sigh: This is actually a word, but is a non-verbal statement often misunderstood by men.. A loud sigh means she thinks you are an idiot and wonders why she is wasting her time standing here and arguing with you about nothing. (Refer back to # 3 for the meaning of nothing.)
6. That ' s Okay: This is one of the most dangerous statements a women can make to a man. That ' s okay means she wants to think long and hard before deciding how and when you will pay for your mistake.
7. Thanks: A woman is thanking you, do not question, or faint. Just say you ' re welcome. (I want to add in a clause here - This is true, unless she says ' Thanks a lot ' - that is PURE sarcasm and she is not thanking you at all. DO NOT say ' you ' re welcome ' . that will bring on a ' whatever ' ).
8. Whatever: Is a woman ' s way of saying F-- YOU!
9. Don ' t worry about it, I ' ll do it: Another dangerous statement, meaning this is something that a woman has told a man to do several times, but is now doing it herself. This will later result in a man asking ' What ' s wrong? ' For the woman ' s response refer to # 3.
suwan
#57 Posted : Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:04:57 PM
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Academic papers,age, money not withstadning...everythng has changed, thanx to the fact that women are now able to support themselves.
The fact that you get married does not mean you stick in a bad marriage because you said I do..nope, unlike in the old days when the women could not afford their own upkeep women are now empowered...and no wonder divorce rates are high since the woman is able to fight for her rights as a human being and as woman.
In the past..women could not support themselves hnece could not fight for their rights...they had tto stick in those bad marriages and retire to being slaves or sometrhing like that
youcan'tstopusnow
#58 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:29:58 AM
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leona wrote:
@Ric Dees and Mukiha
I wish you guys would organise a retreat or something similar and speak to some of your brothers out there coz honestly,most men treat their women very badly..it makes me shudder to imagine the kind of husbands that roam our streets. Seriously consider such..you never know,it would save many a home in crisis. Kudos for being good hubbies and fathers,you're more like the rare/endangered species!

Don't start with the accusations. I might be tempted to add that "honestly,most women treat their men very badly..it makes me shudder to imagine the kind of wives that roam our streets. Seriously consider such..you never know,it would save many a home in crisis."
theman192000, great story. I'll have to quote it sometime to show my "wisdom"
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msotoville
#59 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:20:43 PM
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@aemathenge

Oops! Look who's all hot and bothered!

Dude, I've lived in different mtaa's and socialized with a myriad of peeps in this our city....trust me, our kinsmen are rated in the Cro Magnon category where marriage matters go.

I find it extremely reviling especially when my nyumba buddies go as far as "organising" a "side-dish" for me because it is the "in-thing". Shindwe! Nani alikwambia Msotress hanitoshi?
Then again, the same peeps popularized those lame joints (Rock City, mpo?) @Ric Dees dissed earlier that have a bar counter on one end and bouncing castles on the other.

N'way, s'my opinion which I'm toadally entitled to; I apologize if it ruffles your nickers smile smile

@ Ric Dees
Dude, that David Sheldrick thingy is a hot plot - its first on my itinerary for the famo during August hols.
Any more hot, educative-trip-type ideas you can throw in our direction? Will be much obligedApplause Applause
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So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
Kusadikika
#60 Posted : Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:59:57 PM
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Much Know wrote:


Believe me the science i have written about on this thread before is real AND CAN ONLY HELP YOU MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. Of course there are exceptions but you should know not to be guided by exceptions. What a child needs MOST is a stable protective home and not this "touchy feely" staff about telling kids and spouses "i love you" all over the place, it will never take the place of a stable family. And that is love in action. I provide, protect and ensure my family grows together. Hollywood has clearly shown us this "marshy marshy" family ideas are fake. Take facts, let us begin by examining divorce rates worldwide and RIC DEES TAKE NOTE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM where everyone is hugging each other and saying "i love you", 42.6% are divorcing and going up, yet families go to the park together e.t.c, I don't think you have anything to tell us about strong family. On the other hand, Indians marry strangers who are vetted on logical criteria and the divorce rate is 1.1%. With this "touchy feely" upbringing families are headed nowhere but clearly for more divorce and a nation of openly "plugs and sockets". Yes! that is what you are potentially creating! Not bringing up men. Why not spend time with your boys showing them how to work, fish, garden rather than acting out "Dance with my father - Luther Vandross" mixing them with your daughter's and playing together as a family? Why not leave the girls to be modeled by their Mum? Be realistic!



Much Know I agree with every word you write! Ukweli mtupu!! Our society is becoming effeminate and while it may not be illegal or even immoral to some it disgusts me. Take the insistence for one on telling your wife and your children that you love them. What kind of people have we become that you will not know until you are told. I think it is a good and desirable thing for parents to love each other and their children as well but different people love differently and communicate it differently too. Personally the words "I love you" are reserved for particular moments of intense emotional connection. I do not need to hear the words to know whether I am loved or not and I protest that there are some who think that just because because you don't say it you don't love. How many other things are we supposed to say, I am breathing, my heart is beating, my blood is flowing, I am alive, I am awake etc.

I also get the feeling that there is a lot of public display of affection that is intended for third parties. People behaving while imagining themselves to be on stage or on TV. It is important for some people to make others believe that they are in love or are in a loving relationship. This is not love but a show.

If you love someone there are a million and one ways of communicating that to them and while saying "I love you" is one of them it is not the only way neither is it superior to any other ways. Do not prescribe it to us who are not accostomed to it.

On the issue of children. I strongly believe children will know when they are loved. The language of love is universal. While some may wish to verbalise their feelings by saying the words there are many who are content to just let the feeling be and fill the air and I do not think children of the latter are worse off for it.
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