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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/20/2008 Posts: 1,126 Location: Nairobi
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msotoville wrote:@akowally I agree with you, kiasi. However, I don't think "blanket condemnation" is in order, bruh. Hip hop is an art form. Some use it positively, others negatively. Where would you classify Sup the Chemist, BB Jay, Cross Movement and my man T-Bone, who use urban poetry to preach? Sup tha Chemist is hardly known - I've never heard him played on Radio 316. Yet, the dude is in a class of his own as far as christian hip hop goes. Sup tha Chemist - Champion SoundSample this from KJ 52, a track crafted as a letter to Eminem - Dear Slim - Part 1Commercialization of the genre has given birth to a crop of "shallow" artistes whose sole subject matter is women, drugs, cars and their hedonistic lifestyles. It's a pity that our youth digest that crap and embrace it as the gospel truth.
IMHO, it all boils down to individual interpretation.
@ msotoville Thanks man,
I know here I have gone a bit out of the topic. Of the two, I think I would vouch for 2 Pac, he spoke the whole truth about the game, showing that it ends in "So Many Tears", talking about the way "Dear Mama's" get hugged from the jail cell, appreciating change for the better in "So Many Tears" in that showing that it can't be satisfactory living the Hip Hop lifestyle.
I love what he says in "Unconditional Love"
"My mission is to be more than just a rap musician, the elevation of today's generation if I could make them listen"
He was a guy with Rhyme and Reason and continously expressed the fact that it is not enough to just be a celebrated Hip Hop artist, he had a void which could only be filled by God.
As for BIG, he had one of the best flows in recorded Hip Hop i.e he could rhyme but the reason part, was his flaw. He was largely about partying and...
Still about God, he openly expressed that he wanted to go to hell in Hold your head,
"When I die, **** it I wanna go to (hell)
Cause I'm a piece of ****, it ain't hard to ****in' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven wit' the goodie-goodies
Dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies"
All in all Hip Hop can be entertaining and there is a lot of positive stuff out there...but at the end of it all the greats admit that it ain't enough a void is still left to fill...
Tupac says Only God can Judge me and talks about how hurtful it is in the game like a trap...I believe maybe if he would have still been alive he could have reached to the point of only God can save me...
And the only way to be saved can be clearly seen in my signature.
In one of my threads last year where I dissected Hip Hop more deeply guys thought I was trying to shove salvation down their throats...To be clear in this one, I am not, just saying the facts I believe in and everybody is entitled to their own opinion and decisions.
Finally music is the only thing which can influence you without your acceptance, you may not have chosen which song is playing in your head right now but it just plays and sometimes you just sing...it will in some way influence your thought patterns and at the end of the day might influence your behaviour. We need to chose the music we listen to carefully.
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Interesting that @msotoville knows about Sup the Chemist! I thought I was one of the few that knew him in Kenya. I still have the "Mulligan Stew" track as my ring tone. That guy was off the chains. Anyway, that said, I never dug Biggie, due to his topic choices. Tupac, while less of a lyricist, was a bit real with many of his songs. Form is temporary, class is permanent
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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sheep wrote:Much respect to Run-dmc,Public enemy....back in those days rapping was mostly shouting at the Mic and then using the last rhyming letters...It was Rakim who introduced the smooth flow.. check this interview http://www.mtv.com/bands...as/news_feature_050206/
But Ra didn't eevn stay at the top for thet long. He was eclipsed by his prodigee Nas. Illmatic changed the game forever. No single album has suck killer flows and rhymes "Got more kicks than a baby in his mothers stomach" GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/11/2008 Posts: 121
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@ intelligent... Lauryn isn't 'gangsta' indeed she despises wanna be attitude but as regards hip hop,she one of the finest in my opinion...the content in her MTV unplugged albums is indeed HEAVY-makes u sit back and reflect. as regards lyricism Quote:Much respect to Run-dmc,Public enemy....back in those days rapping was mostly shouting at the Mic and then using the last rhyming letters...It was Rakim who introduced the smooth flow..
Rhyming with end words pulled me to this genre but moreso where its skillfully employed to convey a positive message regarding everyday experiences;that is why i rank Common,Talib n Lauryn Hill highly indeed @akowally put it best Quote:music is the only thing which can influence you without your acceptance, you may not have chosen which song is playing in your head right now but it just plays and sometimes you just sing...it will in some way influence your thought patterns and at the end of the day might influence your behaviour. We need to chose the music we listen to carefully. Less is more....for Architects only!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 35
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:msotoville wrote:None!
Nas rules. Msotoville, wewe ndio unajua. NAS IS KING. All his tracks are Timeless. The guy can't even make a greatest-hits album since kila ngoma ni noma. "It Ain't Hard To Tell, Nas Is Like, Ether" I could go on and on" Has anyone listened to his collabo with Damian Marley? Wazimu Mayn! Nas and Damien got me thinking... 90% of present hiphop is bull. No innovation. That album is the ish!!!!!!!!! But I'm not one of those who is stuck on the old greats. I always keep an ear for new stuff. There's always talent. Em is back to his witty self with Recovery. Way better than his previous two albums. I wonder why no one has mentioned him. Drake with all of his hype, is hard to listen to. A few punchlines here and there but then nothing memorable, no real content. I'm amazed that even Jay-Z gave him a shout out in a song off Blueprint 3, an album which isnt half bad. As for Tupac and Biggie...the former had more ability to touch on matters of the heart. Thats a major part of music. Biggie was an innovator and would say anything (and i really mean anything) on the mic and still make it sound good. Ready to Die was his best work according to me.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/11/2008 Posts: 121
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Tupac Shakur song Dear Mama to enter US archive..."Shakur's 1995 song Dear Mama was cited as a "moving and eloquent homage to both his own mother and all mothers struggling to maintain a family in the face of addiction, poverty and societal indifference". Shakur, who was shot dead in 1996, becomes the third rap act to be inducted into the registry, following Grandmaster Flash and Public Enemy.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ente...nt_and_arts/10387805.stmLess is more....for Architects only!!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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3Piece wrote:youcan'tstopusnow wrote:msotoville wrote:None!
Nas rules. Msotoville, wewe ndio unajua. NAS IS KING. All his tracks are Timeless. The guy can't even make a greatest-hits album since kila ngoma ni noma. "It Ain't Hard To Tell, Nas Is Like, Ether" I could go on and on" Has anyone listened to his collabo with Damian Marley? Wazimu Mayn! Nas and Damien got me thinking... 90% of present hiphop is bull. No innovation. That album is the ish!!!!!!!!! But I'm not one of those who is stuck on the old greats. I always keep an ear for new stuff. There's always talent. Em is back to his witty self with Recovery. Way better than his previous two albums. I wonder why no one has mentioned him. Drake with all of his hype, is hard to listen to. A few punchlines here and there but then nothing memorable, no real content. I'm amazed that even Jay-Z gave him a shout out in a song off Blueprint 3, an album which isnt half bad. As for Tupac and Biggie...the former had more ability to touch on matters of the heart. Thats a major part of music. Biggie was an innovator and would say anything (and i really mean anything) on the mic and still make it sound good. Ready to Die was his best work according to me. Eminem's last album was crap! Who told these guy to sing like an Arab? The Eminem Show, Encore, Marshall Mathers LP weere great. Eminem definitely in my top 10. Drake doesn't know whether he is a rapper or an R n'B Songstress! I think Jay-Z is one OVERRATED rapper. They judge him according to his cheese and not lyrical content. To be honest he doesn't have much lyrical content. Jadakiss, Chammilionaire are better than him, lyrically. GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2010 Posts: 183 Location: Nairobi
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@intelligensia Ati Lauryn knows jack about hip hop? Chicki is a mad rhymer - check out her skills in Season Five of Def Jam Poetry Lauryn Hill - Def Jam Poetry, Season 5@Y'all Thanks for holding it down. Proof to all those wazuarians who thought hip hoppers are a bunch of empty headed, jeans sagging youngsters bila grey matter. Let them know - Rap, you love...Hip Hop, you live! @anasazia Sup tha Chemist, Braille, Trezzy, Judas Priest, Cross Movement, Knowdaverbs, KJ52, Raiders of the Lost et al, were and still remain, anonymous to Kenyan listeners. Hip hop is a taboo in mainstream churches to this day and age - so such names as Sup tha Chemist are known only to a handful of hardcore/underground hip hop enthusiasts. So nice that its nasty, so bangin' its busting,
So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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aces wrote:Great rappers. Dis track no. 1-hit em up, by 2pac. No 2-ether, by nas! For mi, tupac en nas are the illest! Takeover by Jay Z ended Nas carrier...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Immortal Technique on replay all day...how about Lacrae???
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