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Mobile Loans Ponzi
tom_boy
#101 Posted : Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:17:10 AM
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The number of Chinese peer-to-peer (P2P) lenders may fall by 70 per cent this year, as the nation intensifies its crackdown on riskier financing.

As few as 300 companies will remain by the end of the year, according to an estimate from Shanghai-based research firm Yingcan Group.

The number of operators dropped by more than 50 per cent to 1,021 in 2018 from a year earlier, Yingcan said, adding that there’s been no new entrants into the market since August.
https://www.scmp.com/tec...e-70pc-businesses-close

They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
tom_boy
#102 Posted : Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:26:38 AM
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Chinese leaders are dramatically shrinking a market that spawned the nation’s biggest Ponzi scheme, protests in major cities and life-altering losses for thousands of savers.


Mobile loans are a form of Ponzi scheme. Like it or hate it. Just remember its your money on the line. When Eqwete and kcb are busy running a ponzi, its your money, the depositor, thats on the line.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
tom_boy
#103 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2019 7:07:19 AM
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https://medium.com/dfs-l...east-africa-844b217369fd
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Angelica _ann
#104 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2019 8:04:31 AM
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KCB mobile loan interest charges is low & manageable, comparatively.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
freiks
#105 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2019 9:26:36 AM
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Seems tom boy you are on your own explaining china, i thought you all applauded mark masai when he told uhuru this is not japan
Life is an endless adventure
tom_boy
#106 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2019 10:58:44 AM
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freiks wrote:
Seems tom boy you are on your own explaining china, i thought you all applauded mark masai when he told uhuru this is not japan


Important investment facts

You dont have to be in a crowd to be right.

Sometimes, being too early ( in calling out a situation) is indistinguishable from being wrong ( Horward Marks.... I think...)
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Angelica _ann
#107 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2019 11:19:10 AM
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tom_boy wrote:
freiks wrote:
Seems tom boy you are on your own explaining china, i thought you all applauded mark masai when he told uhuru this is not japan


Important investment facts

You dont have to be in a crowd to be right.

Sometimes, being too early ( in calling out a situation) is indistinguishable from being wrong ( Horward Marks.... I think...)


We might get there but we are far from it. The mobile loans are occupying the vacuum left by banks where they have refused to lend to wanjiku!!! I believe that there is a good percentage who are taking the loans to employ the cash in generating more cash not just consumption.

Time will tell.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
MaichBlack
#108 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2019 12:10:25 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
freiks wrote:
Seems tom boy you are on your own explaining china, i thought you all applauded mark masai when he told uhuru this is not japan


Important investment facts

You dont have to be in a crowd to be right.

Sometimes, being too early ( in calling out a situation) is indistinguishable from being wrong ( Horward Marks.... I think...)


We might get there but we are far from it. The mobile loans are occupying the vacuum left by banks where they have refused to lend to wanjiku!!! I believe that there is a good percentage who are taking the loans to employ the cash in generating more cash not just consumption.

Time will tell.

And someone cannot accuse banks of being too strict in lending/not lending and lending carelessly in the same thread. He has to make up his mind!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#109 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2019 12:16:17 PM
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rwitre wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
rwitre wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Kenya's Safaricom's overdraft service exceeds expectations -CEO https://af.reuters.com/a...fricaTech/idAFL8N1ZH32N


A billion in 8 days!!!


This is crazy innovation. Yet more must be in the pipeline. This is a strong company.

True. Kudos to them.

Then some fellows start saying it is too big sijui bla bla bla nonsense and needs to broken up!


Well at least someone has figured out how to milk money from Wanjiku.

KRA keep brainstorming.
Banks keep loaning to the government and complaining anga sijui rate cap.



Sio "anga"!!! Just pure commonsense. Why should I lend to you and your business at 14% with all your risks and logistics nightmare when I can lend to the government at an average of 13% depending on the instrument!!??



Fast forward 10 years:
Safaricom:
- Has an iron grip on the telecommunications industry.
- Has a loan book equal to or bigger than Tier 1 banks
- Is the largest home security provider in the Eastern Africa region
- Has a cash flow larger than the GoK Treasury

We're a capitalist economy. Your goal is to make money in spite of the prevailing market conditions. You can innovate and offer new products, or keep sitting on piles of cash "because it is too risky to lend it out".

Banks are not sitting on cash. They are just deploying it more sensibly and profitably while being cognizant of the risks vis-a-vis income.

And this is nothing new. Even small scale business people know this stuff. There are businesses that don't sell items you would expect them to be selling because of careful analysis - profit margin, how fast you can move the items, risks etc.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
bwenyenye
#110 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:18:39 PM
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Good people,

These are very great arguments on either side.. My few observations

1) The mobile loans are here to stay and they fulfill a certain part of the financial deepening circle. Convenience, not cost, is their critical success factor for now. Cost will come much later

2) These loans, like all other loans, will build many and destroy others. It depends on how one chooses to use them. Heck, there are guys who bet for a living and you'd be surprised the kind of turnovers they do. Forget the Jack pot guys

3)It is true that like all lending, mobile loans need proper regulation especially if it can hit Ksh8B in a month from one platform. We can imagine the impact and pervasiveness of the sector.

4) The biggest risk is that the small businesses,with short cycles and not so large investments are usually the most vulnerable to social hits e,g riots.. But that can always be mitigated by insurances

Finally, I see this a a new step in the evolvement of the financial sector. First, Kenya had foreign banks, then Nationally owned banks came in and they limited the licencing. To cater for the unmet market and especially for SMEs then, they formed Finance houses ( the likes of I&M, ABC, etc).At one point, these were also granted banking licences and the have done a dime well for themselves. When the licencing was stopped, we saw the growth of MFIs... and now we see Micro lending platforms... In essence, banking is changing and it is for the better.

I like the innovation, it has its risks but it is surviving because it has more advantages than disadvantages. We just need to figure out how to mitigate the risks..
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