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radiomast
#21 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2019 9:10:24 PM
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Muigai is right. Most Kenyans are washenzi. They don't even understand that their penchant for voting on tribal basis for 55 years is the reason for their quagmire. Look at this clown for example:

Quote:
“(We) graduated to washenzi…. why should we praise HANDSHAKE while we’re buying sugar at 200 unga 200..!!!! nigutee #washenzi,” stated Chris Daniel.


Apparently he thinks handshake is the reason for inflation and high taxes.
Thitifini
#22 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2019 1:29:53 AM
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radiomast wrote:
Muigai is right. Most Kenyans are washenzi. They don't even understand that their penchant for voting on tribal basis for 55 years is the reason for their quagmire. Look at this clown for example:

Quote:
“(We) graduated to washenzi…. why should we praise HANDSHAKE while we’re buying sugar at 200 unga 200..!!!! nigutee #washenzi,” stated Chris Daniel.


Apparently he thinks handshake is the reason for inflation and high taxes.


All heterogeneous 'democratic' countries have voting blocks. Racial, tribal, clan, regional, religion, social, economic etc. The most prominent and most cost-effective block to get together in Kenya is tribal.

Politics is the art of organizing the most blocks to back you. Try organizing economic or religious voting blocks in .KE and you end up another PK or Eukot....

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#23 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2019 11:55:21 AM
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radiomast wrote:
Muigai is right. Most Kenyans are washenzi. They don't even understand that their penchant for voting on tribal basis for 55 years is the reason for their quagmire. Look at this clown for example:

Quote:
“(We) graduated to washenzi…. why should we praise HANDSHAKE while we’re buying sugar at 200 unga 200..!!!! nigutee #washenzi,” stated Chris Daniel.


Apparently he thinks handshake is the reason for inflation and high taxes.


Voting in tribal lines is not a problem. People do that all over the world even the most established democracies like the US are much worse, people vote in racial divides. Blacks and Hispanics always vote democrats, white supremacists - republican. Our problem is that the citizens can be bought cheaply and we spend too much time discussing bad politics and politicians giving them too much influence and influence is power.
I saw Kabogo the other day on JKL live and I couldn't believe people's opinion on anr and Twitter. They were praising the man like he is our 'savior'. The man can't even visit the US with his brother 001. How sad for Kenya.

BBI will solve it
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radiomast
#24 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 2:46:13 AM
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2012 wrote:


Voting in tribal lines is not a problem.


Tribal voting is precisely why Kenya is a mess. We keep voting the same incompetent and corrupt people who then proceed to loot the treasury dry, grab land and engage in other misdeeds.
Corruption is the biggest impediment to Kenya's development. It is the reason for the high unemployment rate, for poor economic performance, poor infrastructure, high crinme and so forth.

Leaders don't have to bother solving problems like crime or housing or floods. All they need to do is appeal to tribalism.

If Kenyans voted for politicians based on whether they could solve issues like corruption and crime, such problems would be drastically reduced.
radiomast
#25 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 2:59:31 AM
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People do that all over the world even the most established democracies like the US are much worse, people vote in racial divides. Blacks and Hispanics always vote democrats, white supremacists - republican.



I have to laugh at the idea that the USA is worse.
Are you serious.

If tribe or race was the over-arching factor, Obama would never stand a chance in 2008 or 2012. Blacks are only 12% of the population.

Americans vote mostly based on economic interests. In 2008, factory workers, coal workers, steel workers, auto-workers etc voted for Obama which is why he won in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio etc.

They voted for him because they thought he would be the person who would look after their economic interests.

Those very same people then voted for trump in 2016 because he promised to rescue their jobs.

States like Montana, Wyoming etc typically vote republican because they are gun nuts and they think Democrats will take their guns away.

The Bible belt votes largely on issues like abortion which really helps republicans.

The US election has almost always been about the economy. Carter won 297 electoral votes in 1976. He made a mess of the economy and in 1980 he won only 49 electoral votes compared to 489 for reagan.

The hispanic vote is not monolithic either. In 2004, 44% of Hispanics voted for George Bush.

As for black people, they don't vote simply on race either. Much of it has to do with economic issues. Republican policies typically favour people with high incomes.

All this clamour to build a wall is in large part from people who think central Americans are lowering wages. It might explain why many hispanics support trump. Even they don't want their wages lowered by an influx of immigrants.

The fact that carter won 297 votes in 1976 and then only 49 in 1980 ought to tell you that Americans don't tolerate mediocre economic performance by a president.

Kenyans will support a person from their tribe no matter how poor his economic record is, no matter how high unemployment is and no matter how rampant corruption is.

sitaki.kujulikana
#26 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 3:22:46 PM
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radiomast wrote:
Muigai is right. Most Kenyans are washenzi. They don't even understand that their penchant for voting on tribal basis for 55 years is the reason for their quagmire. Look at this clown for example:

Quote:
“(We) graduated to washenzi…. why should we praise HANDSHAKE while we’re buying sugar at 200 unga 200..!!!! nigutee #washenzi,” stated Chris Daniel.


Apparently he thinks handshake is the reason for inflation and high taxes.

what if majority of kenayns are ok with what you call their quagmire, maybe they see nothing wrong with sharing beds in hospitals, or the school conditions that their kids are exposed to, or the lack of piped water, or the wanton corruption - actually most kenyans are just thieves judging by what happens when say a truck carrying good rolls over.
kingfisher
#27 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 4:17:58 PM
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Mount Kenya

So how come the most vocal leaders from "Mt. Kenya" are from Kiambu, Murang'a and Nakuru. Are these not from aberdare ridges?
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radiomast
#28 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33:56 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:

what if majority of kenayns are ok with what you call their quagmire, maybe they see nothing wrong with sharing beds in hospitals, or the school conditions that their kids are exposed to, or the lack of piped water, or the wanton corruption -




- Tell that to all the PEV who have been displaced since 2008 because of post election violence. .
- Tell it to all the businessmen whose hard work was burned down because they belonged to the wrong tribe.
- Tell it to people who no longer feel safe living in certain parts of the country for fear of post election violence.
- Tell it to the people whose livelihood depends on tourism which is always affected by post election violence.

Kenyans die needlessly or lose their property or ose their jobs because of tribal voting. Its not good for national cohesion.

OH and BTW, judging from the comments I see on wazua, I don't think Kenyans are okay with the high crime rate or poor hospitals. If they are OK then why do I see threads with titles like:

- "Kenyatta hospital is not for the faint hearted"
- "Our thugs are getting bolder by the day"
radiomast
#29 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2019 7:37:48 PM
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actually most kenyans are just thieves judging by what happens when say a truck carrying good rolls over.


You are right about most Kenyans. Our society is a society of thieves, burglars and carjackers. As I said before, the high crime rate is because people have seen politicians stealing for 55 years so they wonder "Why can't I also jipanga and steal?".
What is the point of working hard when people around you are becoming rich using illicit means?

You don't see any problem with having such a society?
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