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CBA buys Jamii Bora Bank for 1.4B
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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at least they are buying.. not stealing like the tangawizi fellows punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money element...mmmh! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2011 Posts: 284 Location: Nairobi
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HFCK might be next in line..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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Gadaffi wrote:HFCK might be next in line.. Wow! It looks like a major shakedown is underway in the Banking sector. We are likely to end up the Nigeria way - with no more than 15 big banks. I say carry on! "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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The final decision to put a bank that is facing distress under administration should be returned to the regulator CBK and not the Treasury CS. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/1/2011 Posts: 396
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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Sober wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:The bank wasn't going to survive in the coming years.The owners are happy for that deal. Pretty sure that there will be swift regulatory approval. May not bode well for the NIC deal though. NIC deal will also go through. Doubt that CBA can absorb and digest 2 different corporate cultures, balance sheets and client bases in one fell swoop. My suspicion is that the earlier NIC announcement was intended to serve as a red herring to divert attention from other discussions on more easily-digestible acquisitions. Look specifically at the difference in tone betweeen the 2 announcements (as we all suspect by now, most journos are basically told what to write and what tone to set). One announcement was riddled with caveats and prevarication, while the 2nd announcement has been published as a fait accompli. I believe the NIC deal was handles more carefully because of the long relations betweet the 2 big families. Additionally the deal included the CMA and other small shareholders like me with 100 shares i.e publicly listed company. As for JBB, the deal can be equated to buying an item after a hawker flashing it to you on Tom Mboya Street as you head home one evening. And that is a sober assessment. 1) JBB, unlike NIC, is not listed so the CMA isn't involved. 2) JBB is much smaller than NIC so Due Diligence can be completed sooner. 3) JBB has fewer shareholders (50%+) while NIC has Ndegwas with (officially) 25% + others. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,129 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? Even if the proposed deal with CBA is terminated, we know NIC is up for sale. Someone else may pop up. BBK used to own NIC and now that ABSA owns/controls BBK... there's a possible combination that gives BBK a larger customer base and footprint. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/1/2011 Posts: 396
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sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? This is entirely my opinion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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jmbada wrote:sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? This is entirely my opinion. This is a serious forum stop this "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Sober wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:The bank wasn't going to survive in the coming years.The owners are happy for that deal. Pretty sure that there will be swift regulatory approval. May not bode well for the NIC deal though. NIC deal will also go through. Doubt that CBA can absorb and digest 2 different corporate cultures, balance sheets and client bases in one fell swoop. My suspicion is that the earlier NIC announcement was intended to serve as a red herring to divert attention from other discussions on more easily-digestible acquisitions. Look specifically at the difference in tone betweeen the 2 announcements (as we all suspect by now, most journos are basically told what to write and what tone to set). One announcement was riddled with caveats and prevarication, while the 2nd announcement has been published as a fait accompli. I believe the NIC deal was handles more carefully because of the long relations betweet the 2 big families. Additionally the deal included the CMA and other small shareholders like me with 100 shares i.e publicly listed company. As for JBB, the deal can be equated to buying an item after a hawker flashing it to you on Tom Mboya Street as you head home one evening. And that is a sober assessment. 1) JBB, unlike NIC, is not listed so the CMA isn't involved. 2) JBB is much smaller than NIC so Due Diligence can be completed sooner. 3) JBB has fewer shareholders (50%+) while NIC has Ndegwas with (officially) 25% + others. NIC also operates in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania with business in traditional banking, investment banking, insurance, stock broking. DD and and regulatory approvals will definitely take time. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:jmbada wrote:sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? This is entirely my opinion. This is a serious forum stop this 😆😆 however JB has trying to sell itself (no pun intended) for a while now. There were no takers. So I doubt CBA was trying to keep this under wraps and deployed NIC as a decoy.
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Sober wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:The bank wasn't going to survive in the coming years.The owners are happy for that deal. Pretty sure that there will be swift regulatory approval. May not bode well for the NIC deal though. NIC deal will also go through. Doubt that CBA can absorb and digest 2 different corporate cultures, balance sheets and client bases in one fell swoop. My suspicion is that the earlier NIC announcement was intended to serve as a red herring to divert attention from other discussions on more easily-digestible acquisitions. Look specifically at the difference in tone betweeen the 2 announcements (as we all suspect by now, most journos are basically told what to write and what tone to set). One announcement was riddled with caveats and prevarication, while the 2nd announcement has been published as a fait accompli. I believe the NIC deal was handles more carefully because of the long relations betweet the 2 big families. Additionally the deal included the CMA and other small shareholders like me with 100 shares i.e publicly listed company. As for JBB, the deal can be equated to buying an item after a hawker flashing it to you on Tom Mboya Street as you head home one evening. And that is a sober assessment. 1) JBB, unlike NIC, is not listed so the CMA isn't involved. 2) JBB is much smaller than NIC so Due Diligence can be completed sooner. 3) JBB has fewer shareholders (50%+) while NIC has Ndegwas with (officially) 25% + others. NIC also operates in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania with business in traditional banking, investment banking, insurance, stock broking. DD and and regulatory approvals will definitely take time. I suspect that even if the CBA deal doesn't go through, the major shareholders could decide to buyout the rest and de-list. NIC should now share an update to stem all this speculation!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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Superprime1 wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Sober wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:jmbada wrote:Ericsson wrote:The bank wasn't going to survive in the coming years.The owners are happy for that deal. Pretty sure that there will be swift regulatory approval. May not bode well for the NIC deal though. NIC deal will also go through. Doubt that CBA can absorb and digest 2 different corporate cultures, balance sheets and client bases in one fell swoop. My suspicion is that the earlier NIC announcement was intended to serve as a red herring to divert attention from other discussions on more easily-digestible acquisitions. Look specifically at the difference in tone betweeen the 2 announcements (as we all suspect by now, most journos are basically told what to write and what tone to set). One announcement was riddled with caveats and prevarication, while the 2nd announcement has been published as a fait accompli. I believe the NIC deal was handles more carefully because of the long relations betweet the 2 big families. Additionally the deal included the CMA and other small shareholders like me with 100 shares i.e publicly listed company. As for JBB, the deal can be equated to buying an item after a hawker flashing it to you on Tom Mboya Street as you head home one evening. And that is a sober assessment. 1) JBB, unlike NIC, is not listed so the CMA isn't involved. 2) JBB is much smaller than NIC so Due Diligence can be completed sooner. 3) JBB has fewer shareholders (50%+) while NIC has Ndegwas with (officially) 25% + others. NIC also operates in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania with business in traditional banking, investment banking, insurance, stock broking. DD and and regulatory approvals will definitely take time. I suspect that even if the CBA deal doesn't go through, the major shareholders could decide to buyout the rest and de-list. NIC should now share an update to stem all this speculation! the two families should make you a bit comfortable when seated here until you hear they are reducing their stake, can't you see the share is optimistic? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? Even if the proposed deal with CBA is terminated, we know NIC is up for sale. Someone else may pop up. BBK used to own NIC and now that ABSA owns/controls BBK... there's a possible combination that gives BBK a larger customer base and footprint. Just imagining, how come after the Merger talk there has not been a price rally of the NIC shares? Some of us were already smiling that the big family will take up the shares from us at 80 bob so we recoup our losses. I am seeing sub-30 African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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Sober wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? Even if the proposed deal with CBA is terminated, we know NIC is up for sale. Someone else may pop up. BBK used to own NIC and now that ABSA owns/controls BBK... there's a possible combination that gives BBK a larger customer base and footprint. Just imagining, how come after the Merger talk there has not been a price rally of the NIC shares? Some of us were already smiling that the big family will take up the shares from us at 80 bob so we recoup our losses. I am seeing sub-30 80 bob is setting the bar too high Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Ericsson wrote:Sober wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? Even if the proposed deal with CBA is terminated, we know NIC is up for sale. Someone else may pop up. BBK used to own NIC and now that ABSA owns/controls BBK... there's a possible combination that gives BBK a larger customer base and footprint. Just imagining, how come after the Merger talk there has not been a price rally of the NIC shares? Some of us were already smiling that the big family will take up the shares from us at 80 bob so we recoup our losses. I am seeing sub-30 80 bob is setting the bar too high The market became rational. There was a time in 2006 - 2010, such announcement would excite the market in a crazy manner and the share would be doing well over x3. Not any more. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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Ericsson wrote:Sober wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:jmbada wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Mshwari moving to Jamii...so CBA + NIC will not include the mobile money loans element...mmmh! Yap, they want to target high end client aka corporates & wakina swenani!!! There is NO NIC deal. It was a head fake as they finalized the Jamii Bora deal. Your opinion or fact? Link? Even if the proposed deal with CBA is terminated, we know NIC is up for sale. Someone else may pop up. BBK used to own NIC and now that ABSA owns/controls BBK... there's a possible combination that gives BBK a larger customer base and footprint. Just imagining, how come after the Merger talk there has not been a price rally of the NIC shares? Some of us were already smiling that the big family will take up the shares from us at 80 bob so we recoup our losses. I am seeing sub-30 80 bob is setting the bar too high That is the price I have for some of the NIC shares that I am holding. Considering that didn't happen on announcement then the current price of 28 bob is unfortunately the right valuation if not lower. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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