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Mobile Loans Ponzi
tom_boy
#1 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 4:23:39 PM
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Banks have gone as far as offering day loans interest free on mobile. What other use can this money be put to except gambling? Who borrows money in the morning with confidence of repaying by midnight other than a gambler?

What does this portend for out banks? What percent of money is lent to mobile fellas? If an event was to happen that rendered Wanjikus unable to pay, would we see banks collapsing ala mortgage crisis? What kind of event would this be?

Its very scary. I think banks are getting careless. Wanjiku is doing a ponzi scheme via mobile lending from different offerers, at some point the cookie will crumble!
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Angelica _ann
#2 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 4:34:45 PM
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Today, I received this from Safaricom which I think is shocking >>>>


Dear customer, Fuliza M-PESA is a new service by Safaricom to help you send money and Lipa na M-PESA when you have insufficient funds. Dial *234# to opt in.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
murchr
#3 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 4:40:24 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Banks have gone as far as offering day loans interest free on mobile. What other use can this money be put to except gambling? Who borrows money in the morning with confidence of repaying by midnight other than a gambler? Mama Mboga

What does this portend for out banks? What percent of money is lent to mobile fellas? If an event was to happen that rendered Wanjikus unable to pay, would we see banks collapsing ala mortgage crisis? What kind of event would this be? CBK data is available online....2019 is the year to take charge go peruse the pages

Its very scary. I think banks are getting careless. Wanjiku is doing a ponzi scheme via mobile lending from different offerers, at some point the cookie will crumble! You clearly do not know what a ponzi is



Quote:
Today, I received this from Safaricom which I think is shocking >>>>


Dear customer, Fuliza M-PESA is a new service by Safaricom to help you send money and Lipa na M-PESA when you have insufficient funds. Dial *234# to opt in.


If you have been using airtime on credit (Okoa Jahazi) why should this scare you?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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eangaga
#4 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 4:44:41 PM
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I think the amounts are so small the banks really dont care. They are getting super high returns on them I would imagine. Lend 50 shillings and the fellow would payback 100 shillings by midnight. Thats a great return.
The lending rate might be controlled but fees and other administrative charges are not . So thats where they get their butter. Its lucrative. They are gamblingsmile

tom_boy wrote:
Banks have gone as far as offering day loans interest free on mobile. What other use can this money be put to except gambling? Who borrows money in the morning with confidence of repaying by midnight other than a gambler?

What does this portend for out banks? What percent of money is lent to mobile fellas? If an event was to happen that rendered Wanjikus unable to pay, would we see banks collapsing ala mortgage crisis? What kind of event would this be?

Its very scary. I think banks are getting careless. Wanjiku is doing a ponzi scheme via mobile lending from different offerers, at some point the cookie will crumble!

ombaalbt
#5 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 4:59:21 PM
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eangaga wrote:
I think the amounts are so small the banks really dont care. They are getting super high returns on them I would imagine. Lend 50 shillings and the fellow would payback 100 shillings by midnight. Thats a great return.
The lending rate might be controlled but fees and other administrative charges are not . So thats where they get their butter. Its lucrative. They are gamblingsmile

tom_boy wrote:
Banks have gone as far as offering day loans interest free on mobile. What other use can this money be put to except gambling? Who borrows money in the morning with confidence of repaying by midnight other than a gambler?

What does this portend for out banks? What percent of money is lent to mobile fellas? If an event was to happen that rendered Wanjikus unable to pay, would we see banks collapsing ala mortgage crisis? What kind of event would this be?

Its very scary. I think banks are getting careless. Wanjiku is doing a ponzi scheme via mobile lending from different offerers, at some point the cookie will crumble!



@eangaga. True the amounts are small but you are also exaggerating the rate. The total charge for the bank offering this service is 4.08% per month. And it only applies once you go past midnight.
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mulla
#6 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 5:03:57 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Banks have gone as far as offering day loans interest free on mobile. What other use can this money be put to except gambling? Who borrows money in the morning with confidence of repaying by midnight other than a gambler?

What does this portend for out banks? What percent of money is lent to mobile fellas? If an event was to happen that rendered Wanjikus unable to pay, would we see banks collapsing ala mortgage crisis? What kind of event would this be?

Its very scary. I think banks are getting careless. Wanjiku is doing a ponzi scheme via mobile lending from different offerers, at some point the cookie will crumble!


The banks know most clients will not pay the borrowed amount by midnight and this loan rolls over to pay in a month + interest. This is just a marketing ploy to advertise their loan products. Most borrowers will fear being listed on CRB so will make an honest effort to repay within the month.
Banks/Mobile lenders are raking in crazy interest from these loans, example, KCB on a 20k monthly loan 4.25%(51%p/a)
tom_boy
#7 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 5:58:08 PM
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I dont see how some people do not see mobile loans as a form of ponzi scheme. Njoroge borrows from A to repay B. Each time his loan gets bigger and bigger until eventually he will default.

I bet most people do not do any value creating work with this cash.

What % of total loans goes to mobile lending?
What % of this ends up in sport pesa et al?

Unless CBK puts a cap on how much a bank can give in mobile loans as a % of total lending, there is serious systemic risk in this ponzi scheme.

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Everyone thought corporate bonds were safe...... not any more.

Everyone thought mortgage crisis could never happen.....

Even the pros are as greedy as you are. They will chase high profits at expense of high risk because they get higher bonuses.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Gathige
#8 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 6:10:20 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
I dont see how some people do not see mobile loans as a form of ponzi scheme. Njoroge borrows from A to repay B. Each time his loan gets bigger and bigger until eventually he will default.

I bet most people do not do any value creating work with this cash.

What % of total loans goes to mobile lending?
What % of this ends up in sport pesa et al?



The part I like about mobile money is the ease by which the meet the customers needs. You can imagine someone who needs fare to get to a work site who will be paid at the end of the day. He borrows the fare, gets back in the evening and then repays his loan and builds his credit profile. The overall interest rate may be higher than conventional rates but the ease and convenice is great.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
Angelica _ann
#9 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 6:22:22 PM
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Gathige wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
I dont see how some people do not see mobile loans as a form of ponzi scheme. Njoroge borrows from A to repay B. Each time his loan gets bigger and bigger until eventually he will default.

I bet most people do not do any value creating work with this cash.

What % of total loans goes to mobile lending?
What % of this ends up in sport pesa et al?



The part I like about mobile money is the ease by which the meet the customers needs. You can imagine someone who needs fare to get to a work site who will be paid at the end of the day. He borrows the fare, gets back in the evening and then repays his loan and builds his credit profile. The overall interest rate may be higher than conventional rates but the ease and convenice is great.


Would you borrow from a bank if you know outright the interest rate is 50% pa, of course not. I think therein lies the risk to the greater economy since i believe it is not sustainable in the long run.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Lolest!
#10 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2019 6:56:25 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Gathige wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
I dont see how some people do not see mobile loans as a form of ponzi scheme. Njoroge borrows from A to repay B. Each time his loan gets bigger and bigger until eventually he will default.

I bet most people do not do any value creating work with this cash.

What % of total loans goes to mobile lending?
What % of this ends up in sport pesa et al?



The part I like about mobile money is the ease by which the meet the customers needs. You can imagine someone who needs fare to get to a work site who will be paid at the end of the day. He borrows the fare, gets back in the evening and then repays his loan and builds his credit profile. The overall interest rate may be higher than conventional rates but the ease and convenice is great.


Would you borrow from a bank if you know outright the interest rate is 50% pa, of course not. I think therein lies the risk to the greater economy since i believe it is not sustainable in the long run.

No you wouldn't but the math biz guys are doing is simple what I end up with minus what I've spent(per day).

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