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Maybe it's good news to announce that it can be shown that the garden is a geometric-mystical construction in abstract space-time.
I have no doubt at the moment that the Genesis account is as scientific as it is allegorical.
How we of this generation can begin to understand and enter into the garden is another matter all together.
But, for sure, the trees are at the center of the garden, and the 4 rivers nourish it.
The big question for me, is, why has it been so difficult for humanity to deal with this matter?
Maybe Daniel or Hesiod have hinted the answer. Maybe if @tycho can figure the garden out, then we are in revolutionary times indeed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:I have no doubt at the moment that the Genesis account is as scientific as it is allegorical. How scientific is Daniel 4:10-11 "The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth." A tree is visible from all over the earth only the earth is flat, ehe? 
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Some verses in the Bible were written by imaginative guys. Wonder whether they had access to the holly herb them days. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@tycho, there is another way to reach garden of Eden:
Genesis 11:1-9
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens..."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.
6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:I have no doubt at the moment that the Genesis account is as scientific as it is allegorical. How scientific is Daniel 4:10-11 "The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth." A tree is visible from all over the earth only the earth is flat, ehe? There exists a science of dreams. It's related closely to the structure and functions of the mind and the universe. Maybe the universe is pure mind even! Every memory is stored in what some have called 'Akashic space' under a homogeneous structure that may be akin to our contemporary 'Object-oriented model.'
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Maybe it's good news to announce that it can be shown that the garden is a geometric-mystical construction in abstract space-time.
I have no doubt at the moment that the Genesis account is as scientific as it is allegorical.
How we of this generation can begin to understand and enter into the garden is another matter all together.
But, for sure, the trees are at the center of the garden, and the 4 rivers nourish it.
The big question for me, is, why has it been so difficult for humanity to deal with this matter?
Maybe Daniel or Hesiod have hinted the answer. Maybe if @tycho can figure the garden out, then we are in revolutionary times indeed. Indeed it would be good news if it can be shown that what you have said is true. However, even in the absence of such an announcement, I consider Genesis, as are most of the other accounts in the holy writ, as allegories. When taken as such, there remain no mysteries to be solved; and we should not create more where none exist. IMHO, humanity likes patterns, will actively seek patterns and will prefer lousy one, where none would suffice. I look forward to hearing what you find out. First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:@tycho, there is another way to reach garden of Eden:
Genesis 11:1-9
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens..."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.
6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. That's what would appear to be the case. But, what would take humanity to speak the same language? As long as there is no union with God, then it's not possible. The explanation given appears to be a key and hint for the discerning reader about human design, and also of the minds of the historians involved in this narrative. It may be important to note that these towers appear to be restricted in the late bronze and iron ages. Like the pyramids of Egypt. So we have evidence of how human effort for one language without union with God has turned out.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Apricot wrote:tycho wrote:Maybe it's good news to announce that it can be shown that the garden is a geometric-mystical construction in abstract space-time.
I have no doubt at the moment that the Genesis account is as scientific as it is allegorical.
How we of this generation can begin to understand and enter into the garden is another matter all together.
But, for sure, the trees are at the center of the garden, and the 4 rivers nourish it.
The big question for me, is, why has it been so difficult for humanity to deal with this matter?
Maybe Daniel or Hesiod have hinted the answer. Maybe if @tycho can figure the garden out, then we are in revolutionary times indeed. Indeed it would be good news if it can be shown that what you have said is true. However, even in the absence of such an announcement, I consider Genesis, as are most of the other accounts in the holy writ, as allegories. When taken as such, there remain no mysteries to be solved; and we should not create more where none exist. IMHO, humanity likes patterns, will actively seek patterns and will prefer lousy one, where none would suffice. I look forward to hearing what you find out. If it's an allegory, then it must follow that there's a mystery. Otherwise, how would one account for the necessity of the allegory? Again, if we trace these allegories, why do they go far back into the past, over different civilizations? More powerful still are the references and efforts by the writers and characters in history who indicate that there's a need for understanding the hidden 'codes'. In this case, it's more than a pattern that is up. We have even the practicability and usefulness of what is discovered.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Apricot wrote:tycho wrote:Maybe it's good news to announce that it can be shown that the garden is a geometric-mystical construction in abstract space-time.
I have no doubt at the moment that the Genesis account is as scientific as it is allegorical.
How we of this generation can begin to understand and enter into the garden is another matter all together.
But, for sure, the trees are at the center of the garden, and the 4 rivers nourish it.
The big question for me, is, why has it been so difficult for humanity to deal with this matter?
Maybe Daniel or Hesiod have hinted the answer. Maybe if @tycho can figure the garden out, then we are in revolutionary times indeed. Indeed it would be good news if it can be shown that what you have said is true. However, even in the absence of such an announcement, I consider Genesis, as are most of the other accounts in the holy writ, as allegories. When taken as such, there remain no mysteries to be solved; and we should not create more where none exist. IMHO, humanity likes patterns, will actively seek patterns and will prefer lousy one, where none would suffice. I look forward to hearing what you find out. If it's an allegory, then it must follow that there's a mystery. Otherwise, how would one account for the necessity of the allegory? Again, if we trace these allegories, why do they go far back into the past, over different civilizations? More powerful still are the references and efforts by the writers and characters in history who indicate that there's a need for understanding the hidden 'codes'. In this case, it's more than a pattern that is up. We have even the practicability and usefulness of what is discovered. What is an allegory? According to Miriam Webster’s dictionary, it is “the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions, of truths or generalizations about human existence”. Allegory therefore is symbolism, or figurative speech; and there doesn’t need to be a mystery beneath it. It is useful where things need not be explicitly stated, so that the proverbial “let those with ears hear”, is applicable. Allegories are timeless. First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Apricot wrote:tycho wrote:Apricot wrote:tycho wrote:Maybe it's good news to announce that it can be shown that the garden is a geometric-mystical construction in abstract space-time.
I have no doubt at the moment that the Genesis account is as scientific as it is allegorical.
How we of this generation can begin to understand and enter into the garden is another matter all together.
But, for sure, the trees are at the center of the garden, and the 4 rivers nourish it.
The big question for me, is, why has it been so difficult for humanity to deal with this matter?
Maybe Daniel or Hesiod have hinted the answer. Maybe if @tycho can figure the garden out, then we are in revolutionary times indeed. Indeed it would be good news if it can be shown that what you have said is true. However, even in the absence of such an announcement, I consider Genesis, as are most of the other accounts in the holy writ, as allegories. When taken as such, there remain no mysteries to be solved; and we should not create more where none exist. IMHO, humanity likes patterns, will actively seek patterns and will prefer lousy one, where none would suffice. I look forward to hearing what you find out. If it's an allegory, then it must follow that there's a mystery. Otherwise, how would one account for the necessity of the allegory? Again, if we trace these allegories, why do they go far back into the past, over different civilizations? More powerful still are the references and efforts by the writers and characters in history who indicate that there's a need for understanding the hidden 'codes'. In this case, it's more than a pattern that is up. We have even the practicability and usefulness of what is discovered. What is an allegory? According to Miriam Webster’s dictionary, it is “the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions, of truths or generalizations about human existence”. Allegory therefore is symbolism, or figurative speech; and there doesn’t need to be a mystery beneath it. It is useful where things need not be explicitly stated, so that the proverbial “let those with ears hear”, is applicable. Allegories are timeless. All symbols arise because they refer to something. You've put it well by saying, they are useful where things need not be explicitly stated. Why not be explicit? Also, if allegories are timeless, yet they mean something 'to those with ears, and can hear' then it means that there are such timeless things that need the attention of hearing.
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