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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
sparkly
#11441 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:43:43 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
freiks wrote:
Horton wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
@obiero continues to hold 95,000 KQ shares at ABP of KES 21.9 representing his final stand, with no further purchase, courtesy of the uncertainty upon KQs previously proposed Open Offer. It's now a matter of waiting and/or hoping for the KAA-KQ tie up; in which P&L factors holding constant, will turn KQ profitable instantly upon merger.. My biggest gamble in securities-life so far as no one now knows where the dice may fall. Maombi..



KQ has no shame, getting KAA into their quagmire of crazy losses. This is very sad kabisa, hope it doesn't go through. To each should be their own.

We operate under one government. Two state agencies operating in synchronization should only be opposed by enemies of progress


Took KQ3 from JFK last week on 12/11 was a great flight. J-class was full economy had seats avail. Very convenient usually would have to connect via AMS/CDG/LHR and that can be difficult with kids/luggage and takes longer to get to NBO


Basically those who have been negative on NewYork route have no business in US and they know they will never take that route anytime soon. It used to take me minimum 34 hours to get to Caribbean countries but now am looking at sub 24



Cutomers are happy! Everyone is happy with KQ except the minority shareholders

KQ management have taken the right steps in steadying the plane through turbulence.. A profit is imminent in 2019 and then we shall see if the minority shareholders will not be happy



Isn't 2019 the year when @obiero & others supposed to pump in 1.5B to be eaten by staff, management and advisors?


I have said it here umpteen times. The current price for KQ is not factual hence the low volume count since November 2017 when the share was suspended pending restructuring.. Upon release of the Open Offer details, you will get to find out the true value of KQ


Open offer ilisahaulika and was passed by events.Right now focus is profitability and positive shareholder equity

That is absurd.. The Open Offer was never cancelled.. You do know that KQ is currently arranging for KES 18B financing via KQLC to be structured under the Ordinary Mandatory Convert option 1, primarily for new planes and parts purchases? And KLM have issued a LHR slot in exchange of additional KES 3.5 billion worth of KQ shares? KAA release of JKIA in concession to KQ set to be completed latest January 2019? There's a lot happening in the background at KQ on both the financial and operation ends.. Remember the Polish man said he wants a fleet of over 150 planes and over 100 destinations. Sio kujigamba but I am good at buying at the very lowest possible price.. Remember BK, BRW, CENT, COOP, FIRE, HF, KCB, KEGN, SBUG.. Mutajua hamjui

The exchange bar always one step ahead..
https://i.imgur.com/zkgRYen.jpg



KQ is still taking loans???


Regarding the KQ loan, the US Exim bank will give Sh52.2 billion while Sh23.3 billion will come from local banks to enable it to buy aircraft as well as relieve its liquidity challenges in the next five years.


So the US bank is helping Boeing to offload more planes to the struggling KQ. More jobs for Americans. More losses for kenya. #TrumpAmericaFirst


Boeing makes 700 planes per year. Pressuring a poor third world economy of 45m to buy 150 of those planes is economic genocide.

KQ already has 38 planes and not all are Boeing. Embraer is the core choice for Africa travels


Boeing bought Embraer after failing to buy Canadian Bombardier https://www.google.com/a...form-joint-venture.html
Life is short. Live passionately.
hardwood
#11442 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:50:08 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
freiks wrote:
Horton wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
@obiero continues to hold 95,000 KQ shares at ABP of KES 21.9 representing his final stand, with no further purchase, courtesy of the uncertainty upon KQs previously proposed Open Offer. It's now a matter of waiting and/or hoping for the KAA-KQ tie up; in which P&L factors holding constant, will turn KQ profitable instantly upon merger.. My biggest gamble in securities-life so far as no one now knows where the dice may fall. Maombi..



KQ has no shame, getting KAA into their quagmire of crazy losses. This is very sad kabisa, hope it doesn't go through. To each should be their own.

We operate under one government. Two state agencies operating in synchronization should only be opposed by enemies of progress


Took KQ3 from JFK last week on 12/11 was a great flight. J-class was full economy had seats avail. Very convenient usually would have to connect via AMS/CDG/LHR and that can be difficult with kids/luggage and takes longer to get to NBO


Basically those who have been negative on NewYork route have no business in US and they know they will never take that route anytime soon. It used to take me minimum 34 hours to get to Caribbean countries but now am looking at sub 24



Cutomers are happy! Everyone is happy with KQ except the minority shareholders

KQ management have taken the right steps in steadying the plane through turbulence.. A profit is imminent in 2019 and then we shall see if the minority shareholders will not be happy



Isn't 2019 the year when @obiero & others supposed to pump in 1.5B to be eaten by staff, management and advisors?


I have said it here umpteen times. The current price for KQ is not factual hence the low volume count since November 2017 when the share was suspended pending restructuring.. Upon release of the Open Offer details, you will get to find out the true value of KQ


Open offer ilisahaulika and was passed by events.Right now focus is profitability and positive shareholder equity

That is absurd.. The Open Offer was never cancelled.. You do know that KQ is currently arranging for KES 18B financing via KQLC to be structured under the Ordinary Mandatory Convert option 1, primarily for new planes and parts purchases? And KLM have issued a LHR slot in exchange of additional KES 3.5 billion worth of KQ shares? KAA release of JKIA in concession to KQ set to be completed latest January 2019? There's a lot happening in the background at KQ on both the financial and operation ends.. Remember the Polish man said he wants a fleet of over 150 planes and over 100 destinations. Sio kujigamba but I am good at buying at the very lowest possible price.. Remember BK, BRW, CENT, COOP, FIRE, HF, KCB, KEGN, SBUG.. Mutajua hamjui

The exchange bar always one step ahead..
https://i.imgur.com/zkgRYen.jpg



KQ is still taking loans???


Regarding the KQ loan, the US Exim bank will give Sh52.2 billion while Sh23.3 billion will come from local banks to enable it to buy aircraft as well as relieve its liquidity challenges in the next five years.


So the US bank is helping Boeing to offload more planes to the struggling KQ. More jobs for Americans. More losses for kenya. #TrumpAmericaFirst


Boeing makes 700 planes per year. Pressuring a poor third world economy of 45m to buy 150 of those planes is economic genocide.

KQ already has 38 planes and not all are Boeing. Embraer is the core choice for Africa travels


I doubt if the US bank is providing the cash for KQ to go buy Brazilian Embraers or Canadian Bombadiers Dash 8s.
sparkly
#11443 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:55:05 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
hardwood wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
freiks wrote:
Horton wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
@obiero continues to hold 95,000 KQ shares at ABP of KES 21.9 representing his final stand, with no further purchase, courtesy of the uncertainty upon KQs previously proposed Open Offer. It's now a matter of waiting and/or hoping for the KAA-KQ tie up; in which P&L factors holding constant, will turn KQ profitable instantly upon merger.. My biggest gamble in securities-life so far as no one now knows where the dice may fall. Maombi..



KQ has no shame, getting KAA into their quagmire of crazy losses. This is very sad kabisa, hope it doesn't go through. To each should be their own.

We operate under one government. Two state agencies operating in synchronization should only be opposed by enemies of progress


Took KQ3 from JFK last week on 12/11 was a great flight. J-class was full economy had seats avail. Very convenient usually would have to connect via AMS/CDG/LHR and that can be difficult with kids/luggage and takes longer to get to NBO


Basically those who have been negative on NewYork route have no business in US and they know they will never take that route anytime soon. It used to take me minimum 34 hours to get to Caribbean countries but now am looking at sub 24



Cutomers are happy! Everyone is happy with KQ except the minority shareholders

KQ management have taken the right steps in steadying the plane through turbulence.. A profit is imminent in 2019 and then we shall see if the minority shareholders will not be happy



Isn't 2019 the year when @obiero & others supposed to pump in 1.5B to be eaten by staff, management and advisors?


I have said it here umpteen times. The current price for KQ is not factual hence the low volume count since November 2017 when the share was suspended pending restructuring.. Upon release of the Open Offer details, you will get to find out the true value of KQ


Open offer ilisahaulika and was passed by events.Right now focus is profitability and positive shareholder equity

That is absurd.. The Open Offer was never cancelled.. You do know that KQ is currently arranging for KES 18B financing via KQLC to be structured under the Ordinary Mandatory Convert option 1, primarily for new planes and parts purchases? And KLM have issued a LHR slot in exchange of additional KES 3.5 billion worth of KQ shares? KAA release of JKIA in concession to KQ set to be completed latest January 2019? There's a lot happening in the background at KQ on both the financial and operation ends.. Remember the Polish man said he wants a fleet of over 150 planes and over 100 destinations. Sio kujigamba but I am good at buying at the very lowest possible price.. Remember BK, BRW, CENT, COOP, FIRE, HF, KCB, KEGN, SBUG.. Mutajua hamjui

The exchange bar always one step ahead..
https://i.imgur.com/zkgRYen.jpg



KQ is still taking loans???


Regarding the KQ loan, the US Exim bank will give Sh52.2 billion while Sh23.3 billion will come from local banks to enable it to buy aircraft as well as relieve its liquidity challenges in the next five years.


So the US bank is helping Boeing to offload more planes to the struggling KQ. More jobs for Americans. More losses for kenya. #TrumpAmericaFirst


Boeing makes 700 planes per year. Pressuring a poor third world economy of 45m to buy 150 of those planes is economic genocide.

KQ already has 38 planes and not all are Boeing. Embraer is the core choice for Africa travels


I doubt if the US bank is providing the cash for KQ to go buy Brazilian Embraers or Canadian Bombadiers Dash 8s.


Good point!
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#11444 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:46:54 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
freiks wrote:
Horton wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
@obiero continues to hold 95,000 KQ shares at ABP of KES 21.9 representing his final stand, with no further purchase, courtesy of the uncertainty upon KQs previously proposed Open Offer. It's now a matter of waiting and/or hoping for the KAA-KQ tie up; in which P&L factors holding constant, will turn KQ profitable instantly upon merger.. My biggest gamble in securities-life so far as no one now knows where the dice may fall. Maombi..



KQ has no shame, getting KAA into their quagmire of crazy losses. This is very sad kabisa, hope it doesn't go through. To each should be their own.

We operate under one government. Two state agencies operating in synchronization should only be opposed by enemies of progress


Took KQ3 from JFK last week on 12/11 was a great flight. J-class was full economy had seats avail. Very convenient usually would have to connect via AMS/CDG/LHR and that can be difficult with kids/luggage and takes longer to get to NBO


Basically those who have been negative on NewYork route have no business in US and they know they will never take that route anytime soon. It used to take me minimum 34 hours to get to Caribbean countries but now am looking at sub 24



Cutomers are happy! Everyone is happy with KQ except the minority shareholders

KQ management have taken the right steps in steadying the plane through turbulence.. A profit is imminent in 2019 and then we shall see if the minority shareholders will not be happy



Isn't 2019 the year when @obiero & others supposed to pump in 1.5B to be eaten by staff, management and advisors?


I have said it here umpteen times. The current price for KQ is not factual hence the low volume count since November 2017 when the share was suspended pending restructuring.. Upon release of the Open Offer details, you will get to find out the true value of KQ


Open offer ilisahaulika and was passed by events.Right now focus is profitability and positive shareholder equity

That is absurd.. The Open Offer was never cancelled.. You do know that KQ is currently arranging for KES 18B financing via KQLC to be structured under the Ordinary Mandatory Convert option 1, primarily for new planes and parts purchases? And KLM have issued a LHR slot in exchange of additional KES 3.5 billion worth of KQ shares? KAA release of JKIA in concession to KQ set to be completed latest January 2019? There's a lot happening in the background at KQ on both the financial and operation ends.. Remember the Polish man said he wants a fleet of over 150 planes and over 100 destinations. Sio kujigamba but I am good at buying at the very lowest possible price.. Remember BK, BRW, CENT, COOP, FIRE, HF, KCB, KEGN, SBUG.. Mutajua hamjui

The exchange bar always one step ahead..
https://i.imgur.com/zkgRYen.jpg



KQ is still taking loans???


Regarding the KQ loan, the US Exim bank will give Sh52.2 billion while Sh23.3 billion will come from local banks to enable it to buy aircraft as well as relieve its liquidity challenges in the next five years.


So the US bank is helping Boeing to offload more planes to the struggling KQ. More jobs for Americans. More losses for kenya. #TrumpAmericaFirst


Boeing makes 700 planes per year. Pressuring a poor third world economy of 45m to buy 150 of those planes is economic genocide.

KQ already has 38 planes and not all are Boeing. Embraer is the core choice for Africa travels


I doubt if the US bank is providing the cash for KQ to go buy Brazilian Embraers or Canadian Bombadiers Dash 8s.


Good point!

It's a guarantee backed facility.. They should not care if KQ uses the cash to buy kites

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Ericsson
#11445 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:07:22 PM
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Posts: 10,768
Location: NAIROBI
Boeing and embraer have a strategic partnership
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sparkly
#11446 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:38:26 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
freiks wrote:
Horton wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
@obiero continues to hold 95,000 KQ shares at ABP of KES 21.9 representing his final stand, with no further purchase, courtesy of the uncertainty upon KQs previously proposed Open Offer. It's now a matter of waiting and/or hoping for the KAA-KQ tie up; in which P&L factors holding constant, will turn KQ profitable instantly upon merger.. My biggest gamble in securities-life so far as no one now knows where the dice may fall. Maombi..



KQ has no shame, getting KAA into their quagmire of crazy losses. This is very sad kabisa, hope it doesn't go through. To each should be their own.

We operate under one government. Two state agencies operating in synchronization should only be opposed by enemies of progress


Took KQ3 from JFK last week on 12/11 was a great flight. J-class was full economy had seats avail. Very convenient usually would have to connect via AMS/CDG/LHR and that can be difficult with kids/luggage and takes longer to get to NBO


Basically those who have been negative on NewYork route have no business in US and they know they will never take that route anytime soon. It used to take me minimum 34 hours to get to Caribbean countries but now am looking at sub 24



Cutomers are happy! Everyone is happy with KQ except the minority shareholders

KQ management have taken the right steps in steadying the plane through turbulence.. A profit is imminent in 2019 and then we shall see if the minority shareholders will not be happy



Isn't 2019 the year when @obiero & others supposed to pump in 1.5B to be eaten by staff, management and advisors?


I have said it here umpteen times. The current price for KQ is not factual hence the low volume count since November 2017 when the share was suspended pending restructuring.. Upon release of the Open Offer details, you will get to find out the true value of KQ


Open offer ilisahaulika and was passed by events.Right now focus is profitability and positive shareholder equity

That is absurd.. The Open Offer was never cancelled.. You do know that KQ is currently arranging for KES 18B financing via KQLC to be structured under the Ordinary Mandatory Convert option 1, primarily for new planes and parts purchases? And KLM have issued a LHR slot in exchange of additional KES 3.5 billion worth of KQ shares? KAA release of JKIA in concession to KQ set to be completed latest January 2019? There's a lot happening in the background at KQ on both the financial and operation ends.. Remember the Polish man said he wants a fleet of over 150 planes and over 100 destinations. Sio kujigamba but I am good at buying at the very lowest possible price.. Remember BK, BRW, CENT, COOP, FIRE, HF, KCB, KEGN, SBUG.. Mutajua hamjui

The exchange bar always one step ahead..
https://i.imgur.com/zkgRYen.jpg



KQ is still taking loans???


Regarding the KQ loan, the US Exim bank will give Sh52.2 billion while Sh23.3 billion will come from local banks to enable it to buy aircraft as well as relieve its liquidity challenges in the next five years.


So the US bank is helping Boeing to offload more planes to the struggling KQ. More jobs for Americans. More losses for kenya. #TrumpAmericaFirst


Boeing makes 700 planes per year. Pressuring a poor third world economy of 45m to buy 150 of those planes is economic genocide.

KQ already has 38 planes and not all are Boeing. Embraer is the core choice for Africa travels


I doubt if the US bank is providing the cash for KQ to go buy Brazilian Embraers or Canadian Bombadiers Dash 8s.


Good point!

It's a guarantee backed facility.. They should not care if KQ uses the cash to buy kites


Guarantee means KQ takes the loan and if KQ doesnt repay, GOK will pay #SpeakingAsALawyer
Life is short. Live passionately.
maka
#11447 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 7:41:25 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
freiks wrote:
Horton wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
obiero wrote:
@obiero continues to hold 95,000 KQ shares at ABP of KES 21.9 representing his final stand, with no further purchase, courtesy of the uncertainty upon KQs previously proposed Open Offer. It's now a matter of waiting and/or hoping for the KAA-KQ tie up; in which P&L factors holding constant, will turn KQ profitable instantly upon merger.. My biggest gamble in securities-life so far as no one now knows where the dice may fall. Maombi..



KQ has no shame, getting KAA into their quagmire of crazy losses. This is very sad kabisa, hope it doesn't go through. To each should be their own.

We operate under one government. Two state agencies operating in synchronization should only be opposed by enemies of progress


Took KQ3 from JFK last week on 12/11 was a great flight. J-class was full economy had seats avail. Very convenient usually would have to connect via AMS/CDG/LHR and that can be difficult with kids/luggage and takes longer to get to NBO


Basically those who have been negative on NewYork route have no business in US and they know they will never take that route anytime soon. It used to take me minimum 34 hours to get to Caribbean countries but now am looking at sub 24



Cutomers are happy! Everyone is happy with KQ except the minority shareholders

KQ management have taken the right steps in steadying the plane through turbulence.. A profit is imminent in 2019 and then we shall see if the minority shareholders will not be happy



Isn't 2019 the year when @obiero & others supposed to pump in 1.5B to be eaten by staff, management and advisors?


I have said it here umpteen times. The current price for KQ is not factual hence the low volume count since November 2017 when the share was suspended pending restructuring.. Upon release of the Open Offer details, you will get to find out the true value of KQ


Open offer ilisahaulika and was passed by events.Right now focus is profitability and positive shareholder equity

That is absurd.. The Open Offer was never cancelled.. You do know that KQ is currently arranging for KES 18B financing via KQLC to be structured under the Ordinary Mandatory Convert option 1, primarily for new planes and parts purchases? And KLM have issued a LHR slot in exchange of additional KES 3.5 billion worth of KQ shares? KAA release of JKIA in concession to KQ set to be completed latest January 2019? There's a lot happening in the background at KQ on both the financial and operation ends.. Remember the Polish man said he wants a fleet of over 150 planes and over 100 destinations. Sio kujigamba but I am good at buying at the very lowest possible price.. Remember BK, BRW, CENT, COOP, FIRE, HF, KCB, KEGN, SBUG.. Mutajua hamjui

The exchange bar always one step ahead..
https://i.imgur.com/zkgRYen.jpg



KQ is still taking loans???


Regarding the KQ loan, the US Exim bank will give Sh52.2 billion while Sh23.3 billion will come from local banks to enable it to buy aircraft as well as relieve its liquidity challenges in the next five years.


So the US bank is helping Boeing to offload more planes to the struggling KQ. More jobs for Americans. More losses for kenya. #TrumpAmericaFirst


Boeing makes 700 planes per year. Pressuring a poor third world economy of 45m to buy 150 of those planes is economic genocide.

KQ already has 38 planes and not all are Boeing. Embraer is the core choice for Africa travels



Obiero please listen... Anywhere.... Ummmh so the staff have to burn all the 6 tickets at once... ID 75...so we pay 25% of the market rate...
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#11448 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:38:39 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
@maka that's a krimimo buddy program

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#11449 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:29:58 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
Very lazy reporting https://www.businessdail...871574-kiu4r0/index.html

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Spikes
#11450 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:08:47 AM
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Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
[quote=obiero]Very lazy reporting https://www.businessdail...71574-kiu4r0/index.html[/quote]

@ Obiero you're still in denial just the way you've been adamant to adopting cryptocurrency.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#11451 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:18:20 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:


@ Obiero you're still in denial just the way you've been adamant to adopting cryptocurrency.

Tulia tuli.. Watch and learn

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#11452 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:43:18 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,187
Location: Nairobi
KQ, airports authority yet to agree on partnership with authority
https://www.businessdail...71574-kiu4r0/index.html

I "hope" the payment from Rubis doesn't take as long to show up!
Nothing from Rubis or CMA regarding the offer. As "excited" as I am, the non-completion by Puma is a cautionary tale.

I do wish the best for KQ but I don't want it to come back to the taxpayer or KQLC with a begging bowl.
How is it that the local Kaburu Banks didn't lend much to KQ?
Why are the largest shareholders in KQLC the local banks?
Did KQ mesmerize them?
Did GoK/Treasury arm-twist them?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#11453 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:51:14 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
KQ, airports authority yet to agree on partnership with authority
https://www.businessdail...71574-kiu4r0/index.html

I "hope" the payment from Rubis doesn't take as long to show up!
Nothing from Rubis or CMA regarding the offer. As "excited" as I am, the non-completion by Puma is a cautionary tale.

I do wish the best for KQ but I don't want it to come back to the taxpayer or KQLC with a begging bowl.
How is it that the local Kaburu Banks didn't lend much to KQ?
Why are the largest shareholders in KQLC the local banks?
Did KQ mesmerize them?
Did GoK/Treasury arm-twist them?

KQLC are nationalist.. Why would a South African bank like BBK-ABSA assist Kenya Airways to achieve its ambition while SAA falters

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#11454 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:16:14 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
It's official. The KAA-KQ merger is at a point of no return. Joint memorandum on confirmation of pact to be issued before 31.12.2018. KQ share price expected to settle at minimum KES 21.. I will sell at KES 30 or higher

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
hardwood
#11455 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:12:48 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
An airport authority managing all airports in a country should be independent of any of it's airline customers. Therefore that KAA/KQ deal is wrong. I don't know what international regulations say but this arrangement is wrong. It's like giving one matatu sacco eg Matako sacco authority to run all the bus termini in Kenya whereas this is the responsibility of county govts and also the numerous competitors would be unhappy with such an arrangement. If KQ hasn't succeeded in profitably ferrying passengers from point A to B how are they expected to manage airports and airstrips in mandela and lokichoggio? Why can't KQ focus on it's core business?
obiero
#11456 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:35:05 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
hardwood wrote:
An airport authority managing all airports in a country should be independent of any of it's airline customers. Therefore that KAA/KQ deal is wrong. I don't know what international regulations say but this arrangement is wrong. It's like giving one matatu sacco eg Matako sacco authority to run all the bus termini in Kenya whereas this is the responsibility of county govts and also the numerous competitors would be unhappy with such an arrangement. If KQ hasn't succeeded in profitably ferrying passengers from point A to B how are they expected to manage airports and airstrips in mandela and lokichoggio? Why can't KQ focus on it's core business?

Kindly ask questions when unsure of the subject matter. KQ will be a concessionier in the arrangement, being contracted by KAA as the managing authority for JKIA and JKIA only.. All other 62 airports and airstrips remain under KAA..
Further reading on this can be the cases of Ethiopia, UAE, the Kingdom of Qatar

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
hardwood
#11457 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:40:12 PM
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obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
An airport authority managing all airports in a country should be independent of any of it's airline customers. Therefore that KAA/KQ deal is wrong. I don't know what international regulations say but this arrangement is wrong. It's like giving one matatu sacco eg Matako sacco authority to run all the bus termini in Kenya whereas this is the responsibility of county govts and also the numerous competitors would be unhappy with such an arrangement. If KQ hasn't succeeded in profitably ferrying passengers from point A to B how are they expected to manage airports and airstrips in mandela and lokichoggio? Why can't KQ focus on it's core business?

Kindly ask questions when unsure of the subject matter. KQ will be a concessionier in the arrangement, being contracted by KAA as the managing authority for JKIA and JKIA only.. All other 62 airports and airstrips remain under KAA..
Further reading on this can be the cases of Ethiopia, UAE, the Kingdom of Qatar


If they can't profitably manage their core business how will they manage JKIA?
Impunity
#11458 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:11:29 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
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Location: Masada
hardwood wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
An airport authority managing all airports in a country should be independent of any of it's airline customers. Therefore that KAA/KQ deal is wrong. I don't know what international regulations say but this arrangement is wrong. It's like giving one matatu sacco eg Matako sacco authority to run all the bus termini in Kenya whereas this is the responsibility of county govts and also the numerous competitors would be unhappy with such an arrangement. If KQ hasn't succeeded in profitably ferrying passengers from point A to B how are they expected to manage airports and airstrips in mandela and lokichoggio? Why can't KQ focus on it's core business?

Kindly ask questions when unsure of the subject matter. KQ will be a concessionier in the arrangement, being contracted by KAA as the managing authority for JKIA and JKIA only.. All other 62 airports and airstrips remain under KAA..
Further reading on this can be the cases of Ethiopia, UAE, the Kingdom of Qatar


If they can't profitably manage their core business how will they manage JKIA?


They will give it a try.
Let it be.
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obiero
#11459 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:31:09 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,702
Location: nairobi
hardwood wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
An airport authority managing all airports in a country should be independent of any of it's airline customers. Therefore that KAA/KQ deal is wrong. I don't know what international regulations say but this arrangement is wrong. It's like giving one matatu sacco eg Matako sacco authority to run all the bus termini in Kenya whereas this is the responsibility of county govts and also the numerous competitors would be unhappy with such an arrangement. If KQ hasn't succeeded in profitably ferrying passengers from point A to B how are they expected to manage airports and airstrips in mandela and lokichoggio? Why can't KQ focus on it's core business?

Kindly ask questions when unsure of the subject matter. KQ will be a concessionier in the arrangement, being contracted by KAA as the managing authority for JKIA and JKIA only.. All other 62 airports and airstrips remain under KAA..
Further reading on this can be the cases of Ethiopia, UAE, the Kingdom of Qatar


If they can't profitably manage their core business how will they manage JKIA?

Naikuni turned KQ inside out.. The company in itself would never have been in loss making territory if the management hadn't gambled on Project Mawingu

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
maka
#11460 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:58:56 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
An airport authority managing all airports in a country should be independent of any of it's airline customers. Therefore that KAA/KQ deal is wrong. I don't know what international regulations say but this arrangement is wrong. It's like giving one matatu sacco eg Matako sacco authority to run all the bus termini in Kenya whereas this is the responsibility of county govts and also the numerous competitors would be unhappy with such an arrangement. If KQ hasn't succeeded in profitably ferrying passengers from point A to B how are they expected to manage airports and airstrips in mandela and lokichoggio? Why can't KQ focus on it's core business?

Kindly ask questions when unsure of the subject matter. KQ will be a concessionier in the arrangement, being contracted by KAA as the managing authority for JKIA and JKIA only.. All other 62 airports and airstrips remain under KAA..
Further reading on this can be the cases of Ethiopia, UAE, the Kingdom of Qatar


If they can't profitably manage their core business how will they manage JKIA?

Naikuni turned KQ inside out.. The company in itself would never have been in loss making territory if the management hadn't gambled on Project Mawingu


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