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cnn
#1 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2018 1:08:55 PM
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Investment and other income (sale of GenAfrica ) driving PBT up 37% at half year .EPS at 3.4 vs 2.07 ...NAV flat at 73....closing cash and cash equivalents 7.4b vs 4.9b .
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Ericsson
#2 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2018 1:58:53 PM
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Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Horton
#3 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2018 8:04:18 PM
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Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year



So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
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VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:04:46 PM
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Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year


So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
Which firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
I wonder what the CI loss is about but that might be revealed on Monday.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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the deal
#5 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 12:56:19 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year


So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
Which firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
I wonder what the CI loss is about but that might be revealed on Monday.


Interesting results... Just shows how tough the Kenyan economy is...curious to see management commentry
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Horton
#6 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 1:57:54 PM
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the deal wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year


So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
Which firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
I wonder what the CI loss is about but that might be revealed on Monday.


Interesting results... Just shows how tough the Kenyan economy is...curious to see management commentry



I’m not sure Centum results would be a true reflection of the economy. However things are tough
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obiero
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:22:39 PM
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cnn wrote:
Investment and other income (sale of GenAfrica ) driving PBT up 37% at half year .EPS at 3.4 vs 2.07 ...NAV flat at 73....closing cash and cash equivalents 7.4b vs 4.9b .

If the investment income wasn't factored by the said sale, then it would have resulted in a loss at PAT level

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#8 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:26:45 PM
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Horton wrote:
the deal wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year


So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
Which firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
I wonder what the CI loss is about but that might be revealed on Monday.


Interesting results... Just shows how tough the Kenyan economy is...curious to see management commentry

I’m not sure Centum results would be a true reflection of the economy. However things are tough

@Horton - Which listed firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Ericsson
#9 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:28:45 PM
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Horton wrote:
the deal wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year


So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
Which firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
I wonder what the CI loss is about but that might be revealed on Monday.


Interesting results... Just shows how tough the Kenyan economy is...curious to see management commentry



I’m not sure Centum results would be a true reflection of the economy. However things are tough


It's a reflection of some of the investment decisions they made
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:29:11 PM
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the deal wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year


So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
Which firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
I wonder what the CI loss is about but that might be revealed on Monday.


Interesting results... Just shows how tough the Kenyan economy is...curious to see management commentry

@thedeal - Please check the Deacons thread. There's some unfinished business.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Ericsson
#11 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:30:22 PM
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obiero wrote:
cnn wrote:
Investment and other income (sale of GenAfrica ) driving PBT up 37% at half year .EPS at 3.4 vs 2.07 ...NAV flat at 73....closing cash and cash equivalents 7.4b vs 4.9b .

If the investment income wasn't factored by the said sale, then it would have resulted in a loss at PAT level


Almasi Beverages which is an associate made a loss
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Horton
#12 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 2:56:37 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
the deal wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:


Profit before tax jumped from ksh.1.765bn to 2.392bn in 2017
Profit after tax stood at ksh.2.079bn compared to 1.631bn
Share of associates (losses)/profits stood at a loss of ksh.104.891mn compared to a profit of ksh.195mn in a similar period last year
Finance costs more than doubled to ksh.1.230bn in 2018 compared to ksh.557mn last year
Realised gains on disposals of investments stood at ksh.19.743mn compared to 11.461mn last year


So they based EPS on PAT vs on total comprehensive income?
Which firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?
I wonder what the CI loss is about but that might be revealed on Monday.


Interesting results... Just shows how tough the Kenyan economy is...curious to see management commentry

I’m not sure Centum results would be a true reflection of the economy. However things are tough

@Horton - Which listed firms use the CI to calculate the EPS?


Oh pole it was a misleading question but was just curious as these guys love doing per share figures. EPS is from PAT

BRK usually reclassify Comrehensive I come into net earnings. So was just curious if they did this.
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Horton
#13 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 3:03:26 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
cnn wrote:
Investment and other income (sale of GenAfrica ) driving PBT up 37% at half year .EPS at 3.4 vs 2.07 ...NAV flat at 73....closing cash and cash equivalents 7.4b vs 4.9b .

If the investment income wasn't factored by the said sale, then it would have resulted in a loss at PAT level


Almasi Beverages which is an associate made a loss


Almasi don’t do HY results and year end is December. Where did u get ur figures from?
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Ericsson
#14 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 3:32:08 PM
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Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
cnn wrote:
Investment and other income (sale of GenAfrica ) driving PBT up 37% at half year .EPS at 3.4 vs 2.07 ...NAV flat at 73....closing cash and cash equivalents 7.4b vs 4.9b .

If the investment income wasn't factored by the said sale, then it would have resulted in a loss at PAT level


Almasi Beverages which is an associate made a loss


Almasi don’t do HY results and year end is December. Where did u get ur figures from?


Read the annual statement to confirm which company centum sets as associate
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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#15 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 3:45:02 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
cnn wrote:
Investment and other income (sale of GenAfrica ) driving PBT up 37% at half year .EPS at 3.4 vs 2.07 ...NAV flat at 73....closing cash and cash equivalents 7.4b vs 4.9b .

If the investment income wasn't factored by the said sale, then it would have resulted in a loss at PAT level


Almasi Beverages which is an associate made a loss


Almasi don’t do HY results and year end is December. Where did u get ur figures from?


Read the annual statement to confirm which company centum sets as associate


Forgive my ignorance if I am wrong but isn’t Almasi a subsidiary not an associate? Centum owns 54% of Almasi.
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Ericsson
#16 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2018 9:10:52 PM
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Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
cnn wrote:
Investment and other income (sale of GenAfrica ) driving PBT up 37% at half year .EPS at 3.4 vs 2.07 ...NAV flat at 73....closing cash and cash equivalents 7.4b vs 4.9b .

If the investment income wasn't factored by the said sale, then it would have resulted in a loss at PAT level


Almasi Beverages which is an associate made a loss


Almasi don’t do HY results and year end is December. Where did u get ur figures from?


Read the annual statement to confirm which company centum sets as associate


Forgive my ignorance if I am wrong but isn’t Almasi a subsidiary not an associate? Centum owns 54% of Almasi.


My bad Almasi is subsidiary.
Associate maybe Nairobi bottlers
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#17 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2018 8:08:10 AM
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Half Year 2018/19 being presented today morning.
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#18 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2018 8:11:16 AM
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Half Year 2018/19 being presented today morning.

They release the results on newspaper late last week and then have a presentation today?
Very interesting

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#19 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2018 9:01:42 AM
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obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Half Year 2018/19 being presented today morning.

They release the results on newspaper late last week and then have a presentation today?
Very interesting



Other companies should follow suit. Give the stakeholders time to scrutinize so that they can ask informed questions
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#20 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2018 9:15:13 AM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Half Year 2018/19 being presented today morning.

They release the results on newspaper late last week and then have a presentation today?
Very interesting



Other companies should follow suit. Give the stakeholders time to scrutinize so that they can ask informed questions


...or they are preparing for a price pump today when the +10% rule won't be in force.
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