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Madness at the NSE
Fyatu
#1591 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:33:54 AM
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Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
littledove
#1592 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:47:02 AM
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https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/marketnews/3815534-4849150-view-asAMP-ktbkr9z/index.html
Also on the list are Stanlib Kenya, Car & General and East African Portland Cement Company (EAPCC).#ticker:EAPCC

The CMA is taking a number of enforcement actions against the non-compliant firms for the financial year ended June 30, 2018.

didn't expect stanlib and car and general, though I'm not a shareholder in any
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
wukan
#1593 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:21:27 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse


I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?" smile
Fyatu
#1594 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:26:18 PM
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wukan wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse


I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?" smile


Applause Applause

This NSE is not for the faint hearted. Making money here as a small shareholder is difficult
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
VituVingiSana
#1595 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:42:50 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse

1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt.
2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month.
3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc.

The Positives of Negative Working Capital
Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.
http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/

SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble...

Each sector and firm has its quirks.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1596 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:13:05 PM
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wukan wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse


I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?" smile
Better than a turnover of 52bn (1H 2018) and a loss of 4bn d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! for a certain airline
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#1597 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:26:43 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse

1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt.
2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month.
3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc.

The Positives of Negative Working Capital
Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.
http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/

SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble...

Each sector and firm has its quirks.


Hapo kwa safaricom umenoa mzee
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#1598 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:39:14 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse


I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?" smile
Better than a turnover of 52bn (1H 2018) and a loss of 4bn d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! for a certain airline


Can a debate be healthy without mentioning the name KQ?
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Fyatu
#1599 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 4:10:13 PM
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Location: Nakuru
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse

1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt.
2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month.
3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc.

The Positives of Negative Working Capital
Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.
http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/

SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble...

Each sector and firm has its quirks.



Thanks @vvs for the explanation. This dark winter(bear) has been long. The business news from Kenyan newspapers and international ones has been all doom and gloom. CMA and NSE honchos on the other hand have not inspiring at all and any thoughts of buying into the bear in this our NSE is wrought with suspicion of book cooking and inaccurate financial reporting. That listed firm you thought had perfect governance and whose numbers look good might burn you to recognition.

One cannot be faulted for being suspicious(bordering on paranoia) of all CEO's,boards and CFO's of listed companies in NSE.

Take Kenya Power as an example. Everyone even ECD kids know that the 2017-2018 books are being cooked proper with some assorted viungo(tumeric,capsicam,garlic,pili pili manga,knorr cubes,royco mchuzi mix etc) hapa na pale.How can a monopoly which lights up East Africa largest economy(or so we are told) be this erratic as far as management is concerned? What magic did government of Mzee Kibaki do to this firm that Jubilee cannot do? I don't want to believe that maombi alias sadaka has something to do with this
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ericsson
#1600 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2018 4:18:22 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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Location: NAIROBI
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?

How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse

1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt.
2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month.
3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc.

The Positives of Negative Working Capital
Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.
http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/

SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble...

Each sector and firm has its quirks.



Thanks @vvs for the explanation. This dark winter(bear) has been long. The business news from Kenyan newspapers and international ones has been all doom and gloom. CMA and NSE honchos on the other hand have not inspiring at all and any thoughts of buying into the bear in this our NSE is wrought with suspicion of book cooking and inaccurate financial reporting. That listed firm you thought had perfect governance and whose numbers look good might burn you to recognition.

One cannot be faulted for being suspicious(bordering on paranoia) of all CEO's,boards and CFO's of listed companies in NSE.

Take Kenya Power as an example. Everyone even ECD kids know that the 2017-2018 books are being cooked proper with some assorted viungo(tumeric,capsicam,garlic,pili pili manga,knorr cubes,royco mchuzi mix etc) hapa na pale.How can a monopoly which lights up East Africa largest economy(or so we are told) be this erratic as far as management is concerned? What magic did government of Mzee Kibaki do to this firm that Jubilee cannot do? I don't want to believe that maombi alias sadaka has something to do with this

My fren fyatu,this was highlighted earlier.
Be afraid of arap looto and firms under him
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