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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:Ericsson wrote:mlennyma wrote:https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/10/27/kenolkobil-could-get-another-buyer_c1841360 Conflict of interest by the author. He's under investigation.That is info to try and make the share price rally. Biwott-Kestrel-AKS.. Segman-Ohana ESOPs... Puma-Front running-Rubis ... mademonis at work. I quit this share after the Puma deal fell through. I had held from the pre-split Segman days. I was the first to call out the dubious trades.. Now beans are spilling https://www.businessdail...30022-53wkodz/index.html
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Superprime1 wrote:Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...? People who bought at 15 taking profits. A sham takeover attempt being discovered for the fraud that it is Are you a hater here?the lady has found a husband and she is already pregnant.the volume tells me it's some hungry poor men,the real investors are settled. Its a fraud
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Superprime1 wrote:Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...? People who bought at 15 taking profits. A sham takeover attempt being discovered for the fraud that it is Are you a hater here?the lady has found a husband and she is already pregnant.the volume tells me it's some hungry poor men,the real investors are settled. Its a fraud But you are already in a fraud environment,did you ever get to know who swindled your kq? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/11/2014 Posts: 228 Location: Nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Superprime1 wrote:Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...? People who bought at 15 taking profits. A sham takeover attempt being discovered for the fraud that it is Are you a hater here?the lady has found a husband and she is already pregnant.the volume tells me it's some hungry poor men,the real investors are settled. Its a fraud But you are already in a fraud environment,did you ever get to know who swindled your kq? Schadenfreude
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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iris wrote:mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:Superprime1 wrote:Has new information surfaced or why is the counter hurtling down...? People who bought at 15 taking profits. A sham takeover attempt being discovered for the fraud that it is Are you a hater here?the lady has found a husband and she is already pregnant.the volume tells me it's some hungry poor men,the real investors are settled. Its a fraud But you are already in a fraud environment,did you ever get to know who swindled your kq? Schadenfreude Which insider trades happened at KQ? Two cautionary announcements were served at each critical restructuring phase
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,104 Location: Nairobi
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It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing. The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis. The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,104 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm  Except for getting my hopes up, it makes little difference to me... No takeover = I have shares in a profitable firm at a PER of 7 (before the Takeover) Takeover at 23 = I cash out Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts 
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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When did KK pay the dividend and was it at .30 per share? i am not able to reconcile what i got in my bank account and the shares i have
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,104 Location: Nairobi
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heri wrote:When did KK pay the dividend and was it at .30 per share? i am not able to reconcile what i got in my bank account and the shares i have 0.36 (less W/Tax) Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,104 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts Buyouts/Takeovers invariably have competing interests. The buyers want to pay as little as possible. The sellers want as much as possible. The most contentious was Rea Vipingo BUT the shareholders got 85 from 40 (shares were trading at 27) albeit after a longer period. Unga - The buyers wanted to pay 40. We (the 30%) want a higher price. Let's see what happens. The intention of Rubis is clear i.e. they want to buy out KK. I think the investigation is around the other large trades between the 15-23 October. This should not stop Rubis from their pursuit of the "uncontested" shares. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts Buyouts/Takeovers invariably have competing interests. The buyers want to pay as little as possible. The sellers want as much as possible. The most contentious was Rea Vipingo BUT the shareholders got 85 from 40 (shares were trading at 27) albeit after a longer period. Unga - The buyers wanted to pay 40. We (the 30%) want a higher price. Let's see what happens. The intention of Rubis is clear i.e. they want to buy out KK. I think the investigation is around the other large trades between the 15-23 October. This should not stop Rubis from their pursuit of the "uncontested" shares. I wish you well
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts Buyouts/Takeovers invariably have competing interests. The buyers want to pay as little as possible. The sellers want as much as possible. The most contentious was Rea Vipingo BUT the shareholders got 85 from 40 (shares were trading at 27) albeit after a longer period. Unga - The buyers wanted to pay 40. We (the 30%) want a higher price. Let's see what happens. The intention of Rubis is clear i.e. they want to buy out KK. I think the investigation is around the other large trades between the 15-23 October. This should not stop Rubis from their pursuit of the "uncontested" shares. I wish you well KK has Suitors, KQ has Creditors. Seems to me KQ shareholders need more of the well wishing. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts Buyouts/Takeovers invariably have competing interests. The buyers want to pay as little as possible. The sellers want as much as possible. The most contentious was Rea Vipingo BUT the shareholders got 85 from 40 (shares were trading at 27) albeit after a longer period. Unga - The buyers wanted to pay 40. We (the 30%) want a higher price. Let's see what happens. The intention of Rubis is clear i.e. they want to buy out KK. I think the investigation is around the other large trades between the 15-23 October. This should not stop Rubis from their pursuit of the "uncontested" shares. I wish you well KK has Suitors, KQ has Creditors. Seems to me KQ shareholders need more of the well wishing. Okay
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,104 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts Buyouts/Takeovers invariably have competing interests. The buyers want to pay as little as possible. The sellers want as much as possible. The most contentious was Rea Vipingo BUT the shareholders got 85 from 40 (shares were trading at 27) albeit after a longer period. Unga - The buyers wanted to pay 40. We (the 30%) want a higher price. Let's see what happens. The intention of Rubis is clear i.e. they want to buy out KK. I think the investigation is around the other large trades between the 15-23 October. This should not stop Rubis from their pursuit of the "uncontested" shares. I wish you well KK has Suitors, KQ has Creditors. Seems to me KQ shareholders need more of the well wishing. While KK's shareholders are waiting for mahari for their daughter  KQ's shareholders are being asked to refund the mahari Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,520 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts Buyouts/Takeovers invariably have competing interests. The buyers want to pay as little as possible. The sellers want as much as possible. The most contentious was Rea Vipingo BUT the shareholders got 85 from 40 (shares were trading at 27) albeit after a longer period. Unga - The buyers wanted to pay 40. We (the 30%) want a higher price. Let's see what happens. The intention of Rubis is clear i.e. they want to buy out KK. I think the investigation is around the other large trades between the 15-23 October. This should not stop Rubis from their pursuit of the "uncontested" shares. I wish you well KK has Suitors, KQ has Creditors. Seems to me KQ shareholders need more of the well wishing. While KK's shareholders are waiting for mahari for their daughter KQ's shareholders are being asked to refund the mahari Fraudulent shareholders and now fraudulent management.. https://www.businessdail...836550-e0bah8/index.html
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,104 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:It seems CMA is only investigating the non-Rubis trades [unless I am mistaken] so the takeover is still progressing.
The only question may be whether the "sellers" or the "buyers" (of the other trades from 15-23rd) get 23/- from Rubis.
The rest of us can still sell to Rubis as soon as the deal is concluded. But will it be concluded? I sent you the information about Rubis on this same thread. Unless you chose to ignore it I chose to stick with a profitable firm Wewe nahisi ni mkora! How come you always get involved with firms that end up in contested buyouts Buyouts/Takeovers invariably have competing interests. The buyers want to pay as little as possible. The sellers want as much as possible. The most contentious was Rea Vipingo BUT the shareholders got 85 from 40 (shares were trading at 27) albeit after a longer period. Unga - The buyers wanted to pay 40. We (the 30%) want a higher price. Let's see what happens. The intention of Rubis is clear i.e. they want to buy out KK. I think the investigation is around the other large trades between the 15-23 October. This should not stop Rubis from their pursuit of the "uncontested" shares. I wish you well KK has Suitors, KQ has Creditors. Seems to me KQ shareholders need more of the well wishing. While KK's shareholders are waiting for mahari for their daughter KQ's shareholders are being asked to refund the mahari Fraudulent shareholders and now fraudulent management.. https://www.businessdail...36550-e0bah8/index.html We are not waiting for "Open Offers" but enjoying 2 dividends/year + a (potential) buyout. As for the mere KES 59mn tax demand by KRA...  Nevertheless, thank you for your concern. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,104 Location: Nairobi
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Rubis is huge compared to KK. https://rubis.fr/media/2...entation_s1-2018-uk.pdf
The FY 2017-18 Net Profit was Euro 129mn which is about 45% of what KK is valued at 23/-. The shareholder equity is E2.2bn = KES 250b (KK is valued at 35bn) A serious bunch given they already have bought 25% of KK. ERC, CMA and all those other characters should allow this deal to close soon so they can Show me the Money! In 2-9 months, I shall say a fond farewell to this thread. The haters can look for me on Unga, KenRe and I&M [Core Holdings] And Centum too!  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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VituVingiSana wrote:Rubis is huge compared to KK. https://rubis.fr/media/2...entation_s1-2018-uk.pdf
The FY 2017-18 Net Profit was Euro 129mn which is about 45% of what KK is valued at 23/-. The shareholder equity is E2.2bn = KES 250b (KK is valued at 35bn) A serious bunch given they already have bought 25% of KK. ERC, CMA and all those other characters should allow this deal to close soon so they can Show me the Money! In 2-9 months, I shall say a fond farewell to this thread. The haters can look for me on Unga, KenRe and I&M [Core Holdings] And Centum too! I got on this bus when it was around 8/= and I'm not in a hurry to sell even if the buyout doesnt go through.
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