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Mastermind
#101 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 3:18:17 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Robert Alai again https://www.kahawatungu.com/2018...estments-sinking-losses/

Cytonn's response https://cytonn.com/uploads/downl...icle-04072018-vfinal.pdf


Hiyo right of reply ni kali kweli kweli!!!! Keep it up Cytonn. Smoke out the fakes!!!!!

Currently [it may change] I may not invest in Cytonn but Alai is a blackmailer and a nasty guy. Very nasty. You can feel his nastiness when you are around him.

He may be right about Cytonn. Or not.

I hope none of us ever get caught up in his web.

Must you [Dande] reply to every dog that barks at you. Kahawa tungu or whatever name they call themselves hits back https://www.kahawatungu....ts-lies-media-statement/
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#102 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 3:32:09 PM
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Mastermind wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
[quote=mwekez@ji]Robert Alai again https://www.kahawatungu.com/2018...estments-sinking-losses/

Cytonn's response https://cytonn.com/uploads/downl...icle-04072018-vfinal.pdf


Hiyo right of reply ni kali kweli kweli!!!! Keep it up Cytonn. Smoke out the fakes!!!!!

Currently [it may change] I may not invest in Cytonn but Alai is a blackmailer and a nasty guy. Very nasty. You can feel his nastiness when you are around him.

He may be right about Cytonn. Or not.

I hope none of us ever get caught up in his web.

Must you [Dande] reply to every dog that barks at you. Kahawa tungu or whatever name they call themselves hits back https://www.kahawatungu....s-lies-media-statement/[/quote]

Hahaha...the more the wheel spins, the more Cytonn looks fishy..

All I need to get permanently biased is to confirm if indeed the Serianni / its Director story is trueLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

I repeat...Dande should be content to make money quietly if Cytonn is indeed making money and growing.

He can't win these manenos even if Cytonn were to hire a PR firm. This should be easy for him Especially since Cytonn is not a short seller.
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#103 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 3:38:27 PM
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xxxxx wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
[quote=mwekez@ji]Robert Alai again https://www.kahawatungu.com/2018...estments-sinking-losses/

Cytonn's response https://cytonn.com/uploads/downl...icle-04072018-vfinal.pdf


Hiyo right of reply ni kali kweli kweli!!!! Keep it up Cytonn. Smoke out the fakes!!!!!

Currently [it may change] I may not invest in Cytonn but Alai is a blackmailer and a nasty guy. Very nasty. You can feel his nastiness when you are around him.

He may be right about Cytonn. Or not.

I hope none of us ever get caught up in his web.

Must you [Dande] reply to every dog that barks at you. Kahawa tungu or whatever name they call themselves hits back https://www.kahawatungu....s-lies-media-statement/[/quote]

Hahaha...the more the wheel spins, the more Cytonn looks fishy..

All I need to get permanently biased is to confirm if indeed the Serianni / its Director story is trueLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

I repeat...Dande should be content to make money quietly if Cytonn is indeed making money and growing.

He can't win these manenos even if Cytonn were to hire a PR firm. This should be easy for him Especially since Cytonn is not a short seller.


I don't know who advised them to answer Alai. We all know what he does for a living.

Everytime one of these big companies goes in the mud with Nyakundi or Alai it doesn't end well. Simply because those people thrive on biased and unverifiable information.

First he abuses someone in a tweet then he issues a press statement to answer one so called Alai.

I would prefer they stick with Horton on Wazua.
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#104 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 4:11:34 PM
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Funny how guys who are rooting for KQ & ARM (grand dads now) are castigating a child/small boy in the name of Cytonn. Ok!!!
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obiero
#105 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 7:09:01 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Funny how guys who are rooting for KQ & ARM (grand dads now) are castigating a child/small boy in the name of Cytonn. Ok!!!

Cytonn could collapse any time.. KQ will outlive almost all firms at the NSE

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#106 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2018 5:33:15 AM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Funny how guys who are rooting for KQ & ARM (grand dads now) are castigating a child/small boy in the name of Cytonn. Ok!!!

Cytonn could collapse any time.. KQ will outlive almost all firms at the NSE


Cytonn just doesn't make any sense. May be it's just me but it feels more like a ponzi every time I read anything new about it. How will they pay back those European investors? They can only do it by taking from John to pay Paul and leaving Paul to dry eventually.

BBI will solve it :)
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obiero
#107 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2018 11:54:52 AM
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2012 wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Funny how guys who are rooting for KQ & ARM (grand dads now) are castigating a child/small boy in the name of Cytonn. Ok!!!

Cytonn could collapse any time.. KQ will outlive almost all firms at the NSE


Cytonn just doesn't make any sense. May be it's just me but it feels more like a ponzi every time I read anything new about it. How will they pay back those European investors? They can only do it by taking from John to pay Paul and leaving Paul to dry eventually.

The sad bit is that some people cannot see the fraud for what it is..

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#108 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:16:32 PM
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#109 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2018 10:20:46 PM
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2012 wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Funny how guys who are rooting for KQ & ARM (grand dads now) are castigating a child/small boy in the name of Cytonn. Ok!!!

Cytonn could collapse any time.. KQ will outlive almost all firms at the NSE


Cytonn just doesn't make any sense. May be it's just me but it feels more like a ponzi every time I read anything new about it. How will they pay back those European investors? They can only do it by taking from John to pay Paul and leaving Paul to dry eventually.



So you trust what alai, Nyakundi & kahawa tundu have to say....says a lot about your investments and where you get your research from gutter press😆
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#110 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 11:09:46 AM
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#111 Posted : Monday, July 09, 2018 11:19:40 AM
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paulkimani wrote:
https://www.cnyakundi.com/former-cash-strapped-cytonn-investments-employee-reveals-why-employees-are-leaving-the-company-in-droves/

@Horton will never believe you.. But incase they make a cash call via corporate bond, all will get to know the truth

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#112 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:51:27 PM
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This thing was always smelly but it's about to turn rancid https://www.businessdail...54872-4ogv82z/index.html

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#113 Posted : Thursday, September 13, 2018 7:05:55 AM
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[quote=obiero]This thing was always smelly but it's about to turn rancid https://www.businessdail...4872-4ogv82z/index.html[/quote]

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#114 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2018 10:03:56 AM
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Global Credit Ratings (GCR) has downgraded Cytonn Investments Management Plc credit rating due to constrained access to capital from commercial banks and a short track record.


Quote:
“The ratings are currently constrained by Cytonn’s curtailed access to capital given limited recourse to bank facilities. As such, group debt largely comprises short-dated loans/notes from mezzanine investors (where financing has both equity and debt characteristics),” said GCR.

“While the rigour of governance and risk management structures is noted, the ratings are also constrained by Cytonn’s short track record and untested ability to execute multiple real estate projects at relatively competitive project LTVs [loan to value], timeously roll over capital while achieving targeted returns,” said the rating agency.



Meanwhile, Debt to Equity ratio hits 86%
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#115 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2018 10:38:26 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
obiero wrote:
This thing was always smelly but it's about to turn rancid https://www.businessdail...4872-4ogv82z/index.html


Seed capital? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


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#116 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2018 11:23:11 AM
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obiero wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
obiero wrote:
This thing was always smelly but it's about to turn rancid https://www.businessdail...4872-4ogv82z/index.html


Seed capital? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


they want us to share a piece of the monkey.
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#117 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2018 11:32:41 AM
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The monkey is becoming a gorilla....


Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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#118 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2018 11:40:47 AM
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Who has shares in Cytonn?
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#119 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2018 11:45:47 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Who has shares in Cytonn?


Horton
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#120 Posted : Tuesday, November 06, 2018 11:46:27 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Who has shares in Cytonn?


I do
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