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tycho wrote:
You could start with your scripture. Whichever it may be.
Then we can prove scientifically.
Then we can look at history.
You mean apply your the hopelessly flawed dogmas of your religion of science?  Give us a break! We already addressed these issues on the thread about religion some time back.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:This mzungu brainwashing came to Kenya just the other day to bring fear and let the natives submit. Those practicing Christianity (not necessary Christians) are just 1/3 of the global population yet they are the loudest kwanza blacks. Absurd. Double A, Don't you drive a "mzungu" made car? Don't you wear "mzungu" made clothes as opposed to goatskins your ancestors wore. Don't you surf the internet as we speak using "mzungu" tech invented at DARPA and elsewhere why aren't you proudly writing here in your mother tongue rather than in "mzungu" English? Saying you reject Christ because he is a "mzungu" - He was Jewish, not mzungu BTW - is like saying you will never use electricity because it was "invented" by a "mzungu" Truth is objective and inviolable, not subject to flimsy emotions and racial biases. If God chose to send His Son down to earth as a "mzungu" (in your eyes) as opposed to a Chinese or a Mwafrika, who are we to question Him? And what has race got to do with His message - the Gospel? Reminds me of those chaps who refuse to go to church to hear the Gospel because "so many hypocrites are in church." Mostly it's just a convenient excuse to reject Christ because they are in love with their sins and feel they have no need for God. Ni hayo maoni yangu tu! It's not proper for the African to understand Christ as a non- African, non-Jew. It's like trying to understand something without a mind - something you seem to be doing! If one is of a certain identity, then truth can only be achieved by understanding from the native perspective. Christ is comprehensible from a 'native' African world view. And if he's worth the light and salt, then the African is all the better off!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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tycho wrote:MugundaMan wrote:tycho wrote:Another composer I love is Antonio Vivaldi, alas, another mason.
'Filiae maestae Jerusalem' what a noble expression!
When we trace the relation of music to mathematics we realize they are of the same coin.
Just as the universe is a construction of forces, God, so is the construction of Man to accord to that of the divine. Such a man that endeavors to such a construction is ipso facto, masonic.
Fraternity, is a divine concept and reality. Consequently, all free masons have a divine right to institute their own lodges spontaneously. This idea is one that many contemporary masons may oppose, and it's here that we may have a symptom of decadence of tradition.
There has been a traditional African order(s) that goes back to ancient Egypt and even far back into the creation of Man. And it's part of our collective mind as Afrikans that should be allowed to sprout by itself.
Tycho, You are trying too hard to "sound smart." Hakuna kitu cha maana umesema hapa. What I'm interested in is your thought process on how you arrived at your (warped) understanding of who "God" is  Well if you want to understand anything you must first learn how to reason. Then can you know what is meaningful. But who says your human brain has the capacity to "know" anything meaningful? Can you tell us how many hairs there are on your head? Or tell us with certainty (not hopeless theories) how the earth was formed?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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tycho wrote:
Then we can look at history.
You mean the same history Napoleon spoke of? . The one that almost always conveniently leaves out the Biblical historical record? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:tycho wrote:
You could start with your scripture. Whichever it may be.
Then we can prove scientifically.
Then we can look at history.
You mean apply your the hopelessly flawed dogmas of your religion of science? Give us a break! We already addressed these issues on the thread about religion some time back. That's just a conclusion you've jumped into. Unreasonably of course!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:tycho wrote:MugundaMan wrote:tycho wrote:Another composer I love is Antonio Vivaldi, alas, another mason.
'Filiae maestae Jerusalem' what a noble expression!
When we trace the relation of music to mathematics we realize they are of the same coin.
Just as the universe is a construction of forces, God, so is the construction of Man to accord to that of the divine. Such a man that endeavors to such a construction is ipso facto, masonic.
Fraternity, is a divine concept and reality. Consequently, all free masons have a divine right to institute their own lodges spontaneously. This idea is one that many contemporary masons may oppose, and it's here that we may have a symptom of decadence of tradition.
There has been a traditional African order(s) that goes back to ancient Egypt and even far back into the creation of Man. And it's part of our collective mind as Afrikans that should be allowed to sprout by itself.
Tycho, You are trying too hard to "sound smart." Hakuna kitu cha maana umesema hapa. What I'm interested in is your thought process on how you arrived at your (warped) understanding of who "God" is Well if you want to understand anything you must first learn how to reason. Then can you know what is meaningful. But who says your human brain has the capacity to "know" anything meaningful? Can you tell us how many hairs there are on your head? Or tell us with certainty (not hopeless theories) how the earth was formed? If the human mind can't know anything meaningful then there can be no communication. No obedience, no existence. As for the hair on my head, I can only approximate just as I can approximate the number of people in Kenya. Or I can also have no hair on my head in case I've just been shaved 'Njorodan'. Yes, I can say with certainty that God said 'Let the earth be!'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:tycho wrote:
Then we can look at history.
You mean the same history Napoleon spoke of? . The one that almost always conveniently leaves out the Biblical historical record? I'm no fan of Napoleon. Another conclusion you're jumping to. It's a stupid technique by those who can't reason! But don't worry, we can do Biblical history too. In fact, we can do history of all time possible and all societies we know or can know.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:tycho wrote:
You could start with your scripture. Whichever it may be.
Then we can prove scientifically.
Then we can look at history.
You mean apply your the hopelessly flawed dogmas of your religion of science? Give us a break! We already addressed these issues on the thread about religion some time back. I said it before. This guy just zooms through concepts. Gives the impression that there is substance underneath, then jumps to his already set conclusions. Ask him to answer a specific question and he will hit back with a demand that you write a thesis. What flawed dogmas of science is he talking about? First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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Your assault on science is rhetorical. If I may ask, should diabetics throw away their pills or should cancer patients abandon their chemo because mugundaman considers science unpersuasive? What fails you is reason - really lack of it. You cannot defend a position without resorting to combative rhetoric. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. And as Thomas Jefferson put it, 'Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions,' First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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