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CFC STANBIC
mwala
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:10:31 AM
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Currently trading at P/E of 13.6,do you guys think it is a good buy!Especially now that they have reduced their lending rates to 14.25%,and that they have a new chairman,Fred Ojiambo.Should i buy or just drift my eyes elsewhere.
The Merchant
#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:17:24 AM
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I owuld say buy. The new guys on the board are giving everybody hope that the company will improve and that hope will see the share price go up. Plus the deal with Liberty may streamline the business for the better. I would price CFC at around 110 - 115 so I still think that the price of 68 is a discount although it is the current resistance price. If the stock breaks through the 70 barrier next time you'll catch it at 80. So, BUY or HOLD
Gatheuzi
#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:47:28 PM
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I am also likely to buy should I conclude some sales I am contemplating. I remember during the good old days, most banks PEs were around 20. Should this situation revert back, we are in for a big harvest.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:49:01 PM
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Isnt the base rate still very, very high?

Do they charge extra on top of this?
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qw25041985
#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:39:54 PM
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I think stanbic is a gud buy now puttin in mind the next round of results is around tha corner. For saftey purposes its good to buy early.u never know some investors may be thinking ahead. I just think at todays price show the bulls and bears really fightin 2 control the price. The same situatiön is being played out at co-op bank. I know the bulls will win. Thats y i got in early.
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mukiha
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:57:19 AM
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Whereas reducing the base rate reduces the interest charged, the base rate alone cannot tell you which bank is cheaper! What you need to compare is the effective rate. These published in the "Money" magazine in the Daily Nation every Thursday.

Today; the lowest on personal loans is 18% [KCB, EQT, ECO, NBK, BOA]; the highest is 23.25% [CFC!!!]
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makmende
#7 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:53:36 PM
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mukiha. DN never updates that list of effective bank rates.am still so much in on this bus and am even contemplating adding more though kplc also looks like a good counter. whats your take on fhe 2
Roho Juu
VituVingiSana
#8 Posted : Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:21:03 PM
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makmende wrote:
mukiha. DN never updates that list of effective bank rates.am still so much in on this bus and am even contemplating adding more though kplc also looks like a good counter. whats your take on fhe 2

I think most banks dont release/provide the TRUE cost of borrowing...
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the deal
#9 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 3:16:33 PM
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I have offloaded all my CFC shares on Thursday...i will take a cool 60% profit...@Mukiha father chrismas does not come twice...KQ has taught me a lesoon...LOL...
qw25041985
#10 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 5:40:37 PM
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@vvs its investors like that never want to FULLY maximise ur investments. U cld hav offloaded when they start speculatin on the banks results. Does anybody know when CO-OP BANK will release their results.
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mukiha
#11 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 6:24:59 PM
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I wonder why they haven't announced Q1 results for the group. The bank published, but not the group. Could it be that the insurance has made massive losses that will eat the profits made by the bank?
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sparkly
#12 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 6:58:53 PM
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the deal wrote:
I have offloaded all my CFC shares on Thursday...i will take a cool 60% profit...@Mukiha father chrismas does not come twice...KQ has taught me a lesoon...LOL...


Too soon, i think. Will at least wait for H1 results.

Where do you put your money after offloading your cfc? too much trading erodes your gains. I can't believe co-op is still rising, though i made a respectable 60%. I would now have a whooping 130% gain without the pesky commissions.
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qw25041985
#13 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 7:09:29 PM
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@ sparky. The stocks price nearness to its 1 year high shld hav given u the cue to hold for better prices. I saw co-op from miles away. I then shoutd my arse dry guys get in for the ride and i hope they did. Nobody in this forum knows when CO-OP are releasin their results.
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the deal
#14 Posted : Sunday, June 20, 2010 4:38:47 AM
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@all how come cfc stanbic holdings only released bank results but not for the overall group? Does anyone know how the insurance arm is doing? The NAV of Cfc stanbic is 60 shillings @ the current price of 71.5 it doesnt look attractive anymore like when i bought it @ around 43,i'm also not comfortable with the -200 PE...how will the restructuring unlock shareholder value? I cant answer the above questions so i took my 60% profits,overall i'm going on a holiday next month:))))
sparkly
#15 Posted : Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:34:39 AM
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@the deal only time will tell if yours was the best decision. I hold on coz of the demerger speculation, the better expected 2010 results and since all stocks are rising anyway.
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qw25041985
#16 Posted : Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:27:38 AM
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@ the deal. Does going on a holiday form the base for your desicions. Lol. Wat haqend to profit maximisation !!!!!!!! Wat i gather is that cfc can never go any higher ??? How wrong u are. Happy holidays .it seems xmas came early for you. Eheheh.
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
the deal
#17 Posted : Sunday, June 20, 2010 1:18:18 PM
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@qw and sparkly i met my investment target/goal on cfcstanbic initially i was hoping for a 50% return...my decision has nothing to do with cfc price(mostly set by investor sentiment)..it may continue to rise or fall...i think i cant buy cfc @ 71.5 bob...i dont see value @ that price...ja i'm going on holiday...i think i have enough money now...LoL...but first exams in 2 weeks then i'm out of Kenya for like 3 month...
sparkly
#18 Posted : Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:49:10 PM
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@the deal very well. You buy shares with your pocket money?
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the deal
#19 Posted : Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:43:53 PM
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sparkly wrote:
@the deal very well. You buy shares with your pocket money?

Hehehe my pocket money is equivalent to someones salary...with the weak shilling my savings A/C is performing better than KQ...LOL...
qw25041985
#20 Posted : Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:07:18 PM
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On matters concernin KQ i think we all forgot one important investment principle. That when the eps fall for two consecutive quaters we shld jump out off that stock. Funny enough we jumped into it. I guess we have all learnd that principle the hard way.
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