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2pac Shakur Vs Notorious BIG
eduu
#1 Posted : Saturday, June 05, 2010 7:07:19 AM
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Who was the greatest?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, June 05, 2010 9:35:22 AM
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Great rappers!!!
2pac rules!!!
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msotoville
#3 Posted : Saturday, June 05, 2010 6:04:25 PM
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None!

Nas rules.
So nice that its nasty, so bangin' its busting,
So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
msotoville
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:44:38 AM
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For all those hang up on Tupac and Biggie, methinks y'all need to expand your horizons a mite.

Try listening to urban poets from that golden era(the lost school/90's) like The Roots, Lords of the Underground, Das Fx, Craig Mack, Keith Murray, Wrecks 'n' Effect, Public Enemy, Run DMC et al.....then perhaps rephrase your question!

PS: Not a challenge, just humble, honest opinion from a fellow hip hop head.

So nice that its nasty, so bangin' its busting,
So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
tony stark
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:20:34 PM
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msotoville wrote:
For all those hang up on Tupac and Biggie, methinks y'all need to expand your horizons a mite.

Try listening to urban poets from that golden era(the lost school/90's) like The Roots, Lords of the Underground, Das Fx, Craig Mack, Keith Murray, Wrecks 'n' Effect, Public Enemy, Run DMC et al.....then perhaps rephrase your question!



I totally agree with you. Before commercialization of rap and remixes and renditions of the great rhymes. Have a look at the insert of a CD from Biggie or Tupacs CDs and you will see all this rappers used extracts from the old greats.
You can even go way back to the 70s sugar hill gang the rapper delight (How many remixes of this have you heard) to the 80s run DMC (walk this way.. still send shivers down my back) and dont forget salt and peppa, Public enemy and the birth of real Gansta rap by the NWA.
I totally agree with msotoville there is no best but im afraid we are seeing the worst with this new toy rappers rapping about nothing no skill, no suave, just boring beats and hyped up videos!!

There is hope though there will come a renaissance and hip hop will live as a true expression. That birth will probably not be in America but from true hip hop head from different countries like K-Shaka(kenya) K'naan (somali canadian), P square- nigeria this list just goes on and on!!
For a history of hip hop listen to commons I used to love her!! Great song!!

anasazi
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:16:57 PM
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Yeah, hip hop is dead. Now its the money making crap called krunk and what not. Old skool hip hop forever. The lyricists that used to give us lyrics sweet like honey, with more wraps than a mummy. The ones that used to get into our heads like lice and expand like rice.

Nowadays the only skill you need is to snap your fingers. Pthuu
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#7 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:47:33 PM
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I watched a video by Pst. G. Craige Lewis "The Truth behind Hip Hop" and was shocked on the kind of crap our kids are listening to. This music is evil as it encourages profanity, vulgarity and violence.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:14:45 PM
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In terms of music there is almost no choice these days, all the music is crap....honestly...I once watched some music video on MTV..it is opunitive..i really pity the kids and theb younger generation..they will be lost since they will want to copy those damn musicians with their vulgar tracks
real cindano
#9 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 2:49:13 PM
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@ Bony stork ..... website designer aka dry cleaner aka super music producer ....
Nani hao ....
Were you in starch you sound like someone i knew there?
But your still a fool ......
@ Susyjucy, sasaquatch, and assasin ... you guys dont know what your missing.....
hip hop is great.....
and im sure......
your parent thought you have all gone to the devil when you .......
were listening to hippy music ......
and silently spreading AIDS with your hippy love.....
Hip hop forever......
sheep
#10 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:27:38 PM
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msotoville wrote:
None!

Nas rules.



Yep! Nas has the best flows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxvZDoKMasE

But the illest MC has to be Canibus though seriously under-rated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08s4BlRv1Y

also gangstarr with the magic of Dj Primo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U76Nde6rMTw


phew!!! reminds me of them days,man I miss those teenage years
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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:27:25 PM
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Of cos 2Pac Amaru Shakur rules, even if its its post-humously.And so many of his recordings were released after he kufd mpakapeople thought his death had been a hoax
I still recall how devastated I was on hearing his death circa or in 1996, like i personally knew him.
Its not that we don recognize the other artists but 2Pac (I leave out Biggie Smalls deliberately btw) kept it real - his life on the streets, hugging his DEAR MAMA behind bars as he cried SO MANY TEARS. This guy had real talent, and told his life stories through captivating beats that live on till today...ati Biggie, ah! enuf said pity the east and west coast rivalry cost lives so needlessly
msotoville
#12 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 1:09:08 AM
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sheep wrote:
[quote=msotoville]None!

But the illest MC has to be Canibus though seriously under-rated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08s4BlRv1Y

also gangstarr with the magic of Dj Primo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U76Nde6rMTw

phew!!! reminds me of them days,man I miss those teenage years


@Sheep
That there is heavy mental, illest ever!

On the other hand, howz about something mellow and spaced out from all time greats, Q-tip and Co i.e. A Tribe Called Quest.

[Check out the Cello bass loop - Ummph! Still hits me between the eyes, 13 years down the road!]

Electric Relaxation


@ Tony Stark
True dat, Tony, true dat!
I used to love h.e.r [Common]

It's a pity that one of our local "greats" (Jua Kali), was so creatively bankrupt that he lifted some tracks from this album.



So nice that its nasty, so bangin' its busting,
So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
msotoville
#13 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 1:45:26 AM
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suwan wrote:
In terms of music there is almost no choice these days, all the music is crap....honestly...I once watched some music video on MTV..it is opunitive..i really pity the kids and theb younger generation..they will be lost since they will want to copy those damn musicians with their vulgar tracks


@ Suwan
My kiddo wouldn't let me hear the last of Lil Wayne - in my opinion, Weezy is just a skinny, dread-locked human mural of tattoos with a hoarse voice and the vocabulary of a sailor; talanta yake inaishia hapo.

So I took the little imp (my son, that is), casually slipped the headphones over his ears, told him to prepare for a paradigm shift... then slipped the track below from Common.
Common - Be
That's the last I ever heard of "Weezy this, Weezy that"!


@ Intelligensia
I do agree that Tupac was the shizzy - however methinks his rep was overly hyped coz he happened to be on the wrong side of a bullet.

Like @Sheep pointed out upstairs (with footnotes smile), the wickedest MC's, freestylers and undergrounders of our time - such as Cannibus - weren't given due recognition despite possessing mad skills.
@Tony Stark nailed it, tracing hip hop from the early days of Sugar Hill Gang, and its evolution through the NWA era, to its maturity embodied by Public Enemy/Run DMC et al, before its desecration in the twilight years of the lost school...and to its unfortunate end in the hands of crunk (Phtuu!)

As ardent hip hoppers, all we's saying is Pac hogged the limelight coz he got capped...and that don't mean that these other cats didn't do a swell job rep'ing it... So you better recognize.
So nice that its nasty, so bangin' its busting,
So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
nostoppingthis
#14 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 9:39:12 AM
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Common senseApplause
sheep
#15 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 10:15:31 AM
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@msotoville

Thats a dope track,Im hooked!

Also credit has to go to Rakim and Eric B...they revolutionized hip hop especially when Rakim rhymed words that peeps thot couldnt rhyme...and they introduced the "hip hop beat"..check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv1yK_qdKFM
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#16 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 12:38:16 PM
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Pac revolutionized hip hop, this is my all time favourite..ill

http://www.pp2g.tv/vYnl8YHY_.aspx

Who dare talks bout Eric B!! NWA started this Gangsta Grove Dre, Cube..Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/w...HmI&feature=related

Then in came Chuck D and Flava Flav my Public Enemy number one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

@Msotoville. i digress Pacs fame was coz he was capped, hell NO!!

Lets be frank here very few people knew bout Compton and 187 and deathrow, East/West and all that,till this artist..one of my all time and ma sure most of you..enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

I know you bopping your head!!


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sheep
#17 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 3:09:15 PM
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@Ric

What we are talking about is lyricism,the art of the rhyme.IceT and NWA popularised the genre of Gangsta rap,but they were average to below average lyricists.

What they excelled in was extremely foul and controversial lyrics with simple rhymes and which found mass appeal to the white youths who were the main buyers.Hence found far more commercial success than other hardcore rappers.

This is what Dre repeated with Eminem making him the most commercially successful rapper of all time,but definitely not the best.

Pac was good but even he admitted was not the best lyricists but the realest nigga out there...he even sampled Rakims paid in full beat in Hit em up...

That claim goes to Rakim,the best original lyricist ever.



The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
the deal
#18 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 3:24:28 PM
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sheep wrote:
@Ric

What we are talking about is lyricism,the art of the rhyme.IceT and NWA popularised the genre of Gangsta rap,but they were average to below average lyricists.

What they excelled in was extremely foul and controversial lyrics with simple rhymes and which found mass appeal to the white youths who were the main buyers.Hence found far more commercial success than other hardcore rappers.

This is what Dre repeated with Eminem making him the most commercially successful rapper of all time,but definitely not the best.

Pac was good but even he admitted was not the best lyricists but the realest nigga out there...he even sampled Rakims paid in full beat in Hit em up...
well said @ sheep..Rakim is the lyricist...listen to I'm internationally known...the guy is dope...
That claim goes to Rakim,the best original lyricist ever.




akowally
#19 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 6:48:58 PM
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The truth about Hip Hop is a must watch. People need to know what they are watching and listening otherwise they can blindly fall into a trap
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msotoville
#20 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 11:02:20 PM
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@akowally

I agree with you, kiasi. However, I don't think "blanket condemnation" is in order, bruh.

Hip hop is an art form. Some use it positively, others negatively. Where would you classify Sup the Chemist, BB Jay, Cross Movement and my man T-Bone, who use urban poetry to preach?

Sup tha Chemist is hardly known - I've never heard him played on Radio 316. Yet, the dude is in a class of his own as far as christian hip hop goes.
Sup tha Chemist - Champion Sound

Sample this from KJ 52, a track crafted as a letter to Eminem - Dear Slim - Part 1

Commercialization of the genre has given birth to a crop of "shallow" artistes whose sole subject matter is women, drugs, cars and their hedonistic lifestyles. It's a pity that our youth digest that crap and embrace it as the gospel truth.

IMHO, it all boils down to individual interpretation.
So nice that its nasty, so bangin' its busting,
So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
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