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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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obiero wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:the way they had written concurrently in that document make it look funny (con-currently) with the hyphen. So it was a con job all along. Anyway niko inside with an average buy price of 0.73 cents (taking into account commissions for both sides of the transactions). Let us wait and see. No needs for but time to make money. Remember it is in a sector which support one of the major pillars of UMK's 4 pillars. And you used to drop harsh words about my Neveready Ya dunia kweli ni mob. My sista anything below 1 bob is not going anywhere but down, Muchina or no Muchina. Ask Mumias which has massive assets but even more massive debt! Mumias also supports big 4! This thing is risky Very risky. Not recommended for non-experts. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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sparkly wrote: Very risky. Not recommended for non-experts.
Sparkly, You already admitted you were shaved na wembe bila maji on EVRD since IPO. Now you are getting shaved na chupa bila maji on HAL We non-experts are definitely well entertained. Sell this thing my frens. Haiendi mahali kapsa. Afadhali you buy a plot in Oloitoktok than to stay in this. When it touches 20 cents and you hear they have been cooking books for the past decade and need to revise earnings to show even more massive losses msiseme hamkuambiwa!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MugundaMan wrote:sparkly wrote: Very risky. Not recommended for non-experts.
Sparkly, You already admitted you were shaved na wembe bila maji on EVRD since IPO. Now you are getting shaved na chupa bila maji on HAL We non-experts are definitely well entertained. Sell this thing my frens. Haiendi mahali kapsa. Afadhali you buy a plot in Oloitoktok than to stay in this. When it touches 20 cents and you hear they have been cooking books for the past decade and need to revise earnings to show even more massive losses msiseme hamkuambiwa! As I said, HAL is not for everyone. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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MugundaMan wrote:sparkly wrote: Very risky. Not recommended for non-experts.
Sparkly, You already admitted you were shaved na wembe bila maji on EVRD since IPO. Now you are getting shaved na chupa bila maji on HAL We non-experts are definitely well entertained. Sell this thing my frens. Haiendi mahali kapsa. Afadhali you buy a plot in Oloitoktok than to stay in this. When it touches 20 cents and you hear they have been cooking books for the past decade and need to revise earnings to show even more massive losses msiseme hamkuambiwa! This is like Kurwitu."Sophisticated" investors only.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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whiteowl wrote:MugundaMan wrote:sparkly wrote: Very risky. Not recommended for non-experts.
Sparkly, You already admitted you were shaved na wembe bila maji on EVRD since IPO. Now you are getting shaved na chupa bila maji on HAL We non-experts are definitely well entertained. Sell this thing my frens. Haiendi mahali kapsa. Afadhali you buy a plot in Oloitoktok than to stay in this. When it touches 20 cents and you hear they have been cooking books for the past decade and need to revise earnings to show even more massive losses msiseme hamkuambiwa! This is like Kurwitu."Sophisticated" investors only. Sort of. HAFR is highly speculative. You either lose everything or return over 100% per annum over the next 5 years. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:whiteowl wrote:MugundaMan wrote:sparkly wrote: Very risky. Not recommended for non-experts.
Sparkly, You already admitted you were shaved na wembe bila maji on EVRD since IPO. Now you are getting shaved na chupa bila maji on HAL We non-experts are definitely well entertained. Sell this thing my frens. Haiendi mahali kapsa. Afadhali you buy a plot in Oloitoktok than to stay in this. When it touches 20 cents and you hear they have been cooking books for the past decade and need to revise earnings to show even more massive losses msiseme hamkuambiwa! This is like Kurwitu."Sophisticated" investors only. Sort of. HAFR is highly speculative. You either lose everything or return over 100% per annum over the next 5 years. Here you will likely loose even the shirt on your back.. Its more like a casino and not a sound investment, at all.. The fish rots from the head and the management here are not inspiring at all HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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obiero wrote: Here you will likely loose even the shirt on your back.. Its more like a casino and not a sound investment, at all.. The fish rots from the head and the management here are not inspiring at all
The problem with companies like HAFR is that they were a scam from day one. Even the way this one was listed involved a scam and the books were already well cooked back then. The originator of this thing is well known and all his projects ( which he started with the loot he minted at HAFR's IPO) are very controversial. Good luck to anyone who has invested in any of them! Very difficult for a scam company to go legit and start making roaring profits. It hasn't happened with HAFR since IPO and it will not happen any time soon. I agree with you. This thing is worse than a casino.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MugundaMan wrote:obiero wrote: Here you will likely loose even the shirt on your back.. Its more like a casino and not a sound investment, at all.. The fish rots from the head and the management here are not inspiring at all
The problem with companies like HAFR is that they were a scam from day one. Even the way this one was listed involved a scam and the books were already well cooked back then. The originator of this thing is well known and all his projects ( which he started with the loot he minted at HAFR's IPO) are very controversial. Good luck to anyone who has invested in any of them! Very difficult for a scam company to go legit and start making roaring profits. It hasn't happened with HAFR since IPO and it will not happen any time soon. I agree with you. This thing is worse than a casino. @MugundaMan you are very funny. You call HAFR a scam and Eveready a blue chip. You worship burotis telling to buy in the middle of nowhere then rubbish a listed real estate company with land bank over 1,000 Acres. You are really funny. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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sparkly wrote: @MugundaMan you are very funny. You call HAFR a scam and Eveready a blue chip. You worship burotis telling to buy in the middle of nowhere then rubbish a listed real estate company with land bank over 1,000 Acres. You are really funny.
@sparkly, I never said EVRD was a blue chip, I said it was a great speculative buy. And if you remember, it was doing very well up until the Chinese imports flooded the market, and had existed in Kenya for dog years making good profits. That's why you bought in at IPO, remember ? Last year it also made a profit. HAFR has never made a single coin in profits EVER to date. Now that's a 100% scam. It's one thing to have a land bank of 1000 acres free and clear, tis another thing to hold a land bank of 1000 acres, crazy overheads that are eating cash flows alive and GROWING each year, meagre sales worth writing home about and swarms of growing debt! Remember Mumias also has a huge land bank and many assets worth billions including an ethanol and power plant, but has ten times more in debt . Sell this thing my friend and buy that buroti in the middle of nowhere. At least there it cannot be stolen and auctioned off to pay HAFR's debt and overhead issues that willbe resolved on the first of never!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MugundaMan wrote:sparkly wrote: @MugundaMan you are very funny. You call HAFR a scam and Eveready a blue chip. You worship burotis telling to buy in the middle of nowhere then rubbish a listed real estate company with land bank over 1,000 Acres. You are really funny.
@sparkly, I never said EVRD was a blue chip, I said it was a great speculative buy. And if you remember, it was doing very well up until the Chinese imports flooded the market, and had existed in Kenya for dog years making good profits. That's why you bought in at IPO, remember ? Last year it also made a profit. HAFR has never made a single coin in profits EVER to date. Now that's a 100% scam. It's one thing to have a land bank of 1000 acres free and clear, tis another thing to hold a land bank of 1000 acres, crazy overheads that are eating cash flows alive and GROWING each year, meagre sales worth writing home about and swarms of growing debt! Remember Mumias also has a huge land bank and many assets worth billions including an ethanol and power plant, but has ten times more in debt . Sell this thing my friend and buy that buroti in the middle of nowhere. At least there it cannot be stolen and auctioned off to pay HAFR's debt and overhead issues that willbe resolved on the first of never! All the best in your Eveready and burotis Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Neveready was less than 2% of my modest assets and the only asset in the casino (NSE). Thanks on the wishes on the mugundas. I have never met a mugunda that has not paid me handsomely over time!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MugundaMan wrote:Neveready was less than 2% of my modest assets and the only asset in the casino (NSE). Thanks on the wishes on the mugundas. I have never met a mugunda that has not paid me handsomely over time! Meaning you sold? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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sparkly wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Neveready was less than 2% of my modest assets and the only asset in the casino (NSE). Thanks on the wishes on the mugundas. I have never met a mugunda that has not paid me handsomely over time! Meaning you sold? Why are you worried what I did or did not do? Discretion is the better part of valour and only a fool does not change his mind when the situation becomes fluid. With all these crazy bargains even of blue chips, it would be crazy of me not to move the cash to better quality bargains (ICDC specifically).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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MugundaMan wrote:sparkly wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Neveready was less than 2% of my modest assets and the only asset in the casino (NSE). Thanks on the wishes on the mugundas. I have never met a mugunda that has not paid me handsomely over time! Meaning you sold? Why are you worried what I did or did not do? Discretion is the better part of valour and only a fool does not change his mind when the situation becomes fluid. With all these crazy bargains even of blue chips, it would be crazy of me not to move the cash to better quality bargains (ICDC specifically). quietly done. You must have taken a terrible hit , pole. ICDC, you are again in the negative In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/8/2018 Posts: 507 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:Neveready was less than 2% of my modest assets and the only asset in the casino (NSE). Thanks on the wishes on the mugundas. I have never met a mugunda that has not paid me handsomely over time! Apples to oranges. Yes, land will preserve wealth and gradually grow it. It's a solid investment. Stocks carry more risk, but rate of capital appreciation is higher. i.e., it's easier to make >100% gains through stocks over time than real estate. But you can also lose everything. If I want to turn $1000 into $100,000, best believe I'll go into stock trading, instead of buying a plot and waiting for a decade for the land prices to increase. "If the shoe fits, wear it"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Look who is talking And Im sure for you the investment in HAL that you are hanging on to for dear life as it goes straight down like a rock is way more than 2% of assets I took a hit indeed but it was gambling monee to begin with. Casino sio mjezo. At least with ICDC the profits are real and dividends flow yearly without delay. It is also selling at crazy levels below book value so it is a no brainer for me. Even then I do not trust the casino hence the 2% max exposure at any time!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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rwitre wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Neveready was less than 2% of my modest assets and the only asset in the casino (NSE). Thanks on the wishes on the mugundas. I have never met a mugunda that has not paid me handsomely over time! Apples to oranges. Yes, land will preserve wealth and gradually grow it. It's a solid investment. Stocks carry more risk, but rate of capital appreciation is higher. i.e., it's easier to make >100% gains through stocks over time than real estate. But you can also lose everything. If I want to turn $1000 into $100,000, best believe I'll go into stock trading, instead of buying a plot and waiting for a decade for the land prices to increase. "If the shoe fits, wear it" Big fallacy my broda. Show us how you made a 100% return on your overall portfolio in one year and then we can talk. And please do not tell us you invested 10k on a penny stock and made 20k after 5 years and are very happy about it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/8/2018 Posts: 507 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:rwitre wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Neveready was less than 2% of my modest assets and the only asset in the casino (NSE). Thanks on the wishes on the mugundas. I have never met a mugunda that has not paid me handsomely over time! Apples to oranges. Yes, land will preserve wealth and gradually grow it. It's a solid investment. Stocks carry more risk, but rate of capital appreciation is higher. i.e., it's easier to make >100% gains through stocks over time than real estate. But you can also lose everything. If I want to turn $1000 into $100,000, best believe I'll go into stock trading, instead of buying a plot and waiting for a decade for the land prices to increase. "If the shoe fits, wear it" Big fallacy my broda. Show us how you made a 100% return on your overall portfolio in one year and then we can talk. And please do not tell us you invested 10k on a penny stock and made 20k after 5 years and are very happy about it. Look at it in terms of probability. Ranked with increasing levels of risk: 1. Land: Safe haven. Everyone invested in real estate sees value gains. Politicians, civil servants, kings, paupers, hard-workers and those waiting to inherit from them- as long as your claim to the land is valid, gains are certain. 2. Unit trusts, MMF, T-Bills and Bonds- Sit pretty and wait for the interest cheques to roll in. Steady and predictable growth, unless the government screws the economy. 3. Stocks: Riskier. But if you pick a valuable firm, that meets shareholder needs and consumer demands at the same time- and increase your stake significantly, you get higher gains. cc. long-term gains like for those who got into Safaricom at Sh 2. or fast ones like the famous Black Wednesday where a brave bet by George soros made $1 billion usd in short selling. Or you could pick a monkey and see if it will jump like Orchards did, and hope it doesn't trap your capital like ARM. 4. Crypto: Requires more nerves of steel. However, has made more common folk millionaires in the past half-decade compared to all the rest. Conversely, it has also made multiple more bankrupt. 5. Gambling: (casinos to sport betting) Chances are very low. Can make you broke very fast, but when you get the right combination, you hit the jackpot, like one Cosmas Korir who no has to share 42 million from his winnings with GoK as taxes6. The lottery: You have a better chance of being hit by lightning than winning the lottery- like the Powerball, where odds are 1 in 292,201,338. But tell that to the 42-year-old Nandlall Mangal who pocketed $245.6 millionMy point is: there are success stories across the scope. The higher the level of risk, the fewer the number of people who've actually succeeded. And vice-versa- the lower the risk, the easier you get to sleep at night. It comes down to the individual: How fast do you want your gains? What are you willing to put on the line? Some are comfortable with slow but sure gains. Others take more chances. Fortune favours the bold. Going back to my earlier position. When challenged to multiply $1000 into $100000, my choice could be to get into stocks. Would I succeed? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, that's as much as my risk-tolerance will allow me.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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rwitre wrote:3. Stocks: Riskier. But if you pick a valuable firm, that meets shareholder needs and consumer demands at the same time- and increase your stake significantly, you get higher gains. cc. long-term gains like for those who got into Safaricom at Sh 2. or fast ones like the famous Black Wednesday where a brave bet by George soros made $1 billion usd in short selling. Or you could pick a monkey and see if it will jump like Orchards did, and hope it doesn't trap your capital like ARM. There is a world of a difference between gangsta capitalist Soros using insider information to make a killing in the well developed global markets and putting hard earned money on a monkey in our local casino in which most monkeys do not even have the trading volume within which to park a decent amount of cash. Getting out of EVRD for example was hell my broda, on some days I was only able to move 3,000 shares because there was zero buy orders on the demand side for the rest of the day! And the book cooking here is rampant even among the blue chips. As for Safcon, usinichekeshe. Have you compared with those who got into land in dustbowl at the same time of the Safcon IPO? They perhaps did 10 times better!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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But SportPesa head of Consumer Care Emily Gachuki said the winner would get the whole amount. “As it stands, nothing will be deducted from the win, as we are still waiting on the Government’s directive on the tax,” said Ms Gachuki. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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