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Unga Group FY18
Pesa Nane
#1 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 2:44:36 PM
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Applause Applause But div issa fraud

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Pesa Nane
#2 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 2:48:49 PM
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Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Pesa Nane
#3 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 3:04:46 PM
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Uganda subsidiary operations discontinued "shielded the Group from some of the losses suffered in the preceding year ..."

Overall feed volumes increased significantly in the animal nutrition segment thanks to competitive pricing, high quality, effective sales and marketing blah blah.

Porridge, pilses and rice volumes experinced solid growth

New products: Fugo, Tilapia fish feed

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Pesa Nane
#4 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 3:08:10 PM
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Final Div. Ksh. 1.00
Closure 06 December 2018

Payment 31 January 2019
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
VituVingiSana
#5 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 5:22:53 PM
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Thanks for the info.

If there wasn't an attempt to squeeze out the minority shareholders, I would be on board.

New 300 Ton wheat plant will be commissioned in Oct 2018.
New soya meal plant will be installed in FY 2019.
The dividend will be paid 7 months after the year-end. Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
The dividend will be paid 7 weeks after the AGM. d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

BUT they don't want us to enjoy the harvest after making us go through the pain of sowing, weeding and nurturing the crop.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#6 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 7:40:51 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Thanks for the info.

If there wasn't an attempt to squeeze out the minority shareholders, I would be on board.

New 300 Ton wheat plant will be commissioned in Oct 2018.
New soya meal plant will be installed in FY 2019.
The dividend will be paid 7 months after the year-end. Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
The dividend will be paid 7 weeks after the AGM. d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

BUT they don't want us to enjoy the harvest after making us go through the pain of sowing, weeding and nurturing the crop.

Measly dividend..

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#7 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 7:50:44 PM
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If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#8 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 7:58:39 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.



Would u know what Ungas market share is?
obiero
#9 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 8:31:55 PM
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Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.



Would u know what Ungas market share is?

Leave the old man alone.. He is bleeding from all angles, ARM, NIC, KENRE

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 8:44:36 PM
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obiero wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.



Would u know what Ungas market share is?

Leave the old man alone.. He is bleeding from all angles, ARM, NIC, KENRE

All (except ARM) profitable and paying dividends. Applause Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#11 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 8:48:13 PM
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obiero wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.



Would u know what Ungas market share is?

Leave the old man alone.. He is bleeding from all angles, ARM, NIC, KENRE

Ndegwa Nic ndegwa Unga

"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 8:57:52 PM
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Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.


Would u know what Ungas market share is?

There are a number of sectors but the answer is No.
Kenya's production data is incomplete in the milled maize sector given the prevalence of informal businesses. A lot of maize is milled in posho mills.
The same with animal feeds i.e. multiple manufacturers esp informal + self-manufacture of feeds.

Wheat may have some stats but I don't have industry stats on hand.
The installed capacity (including Eldoret's 300MT) is about 800MT/day if I recall what was said at the AGM. The effective capacity given the logistics, power cuts, maintenance downtime, older equipment, etc will be lower.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#13 Posted : Friday, September 28, 2018 10:25:23 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.


Would u know what Ungas market share is?

There are a number of sectors but the answer is No.
Kenya's production data is incomplete in the milled maize sector given the prevalence of informal businesses. A lot of maize is milled in posho mills.
The same with animal feeds i.e. multiple manufacturers esp informal + self-manufacture of feeds.

Wheat may have some stats but I don't have industry stats on hand.
The installed capacity (including Eldoret's 300MT) is about 800MT/day if I recall what was said at the AGM. The effective capacity given the logistics, power cuts, maintenance downtime, older equipment, etc will be lower.



Hmm so no moat here
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 1:14:19 AM
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Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.


Would u know what Ungas market share is?

There are a number of sectors but the answer is No.
Kenya's production data is incomplete in the milled maize sector given the prevalence of informal businesses. A lot of maize is milled in posho mills.
The same with animal feeds i.e. multiple manufacturers esp informal + self-manufacture of feeds.

Wheat may have some stats but I don't have industry stats on hand.
The installed capacity (including Eldoret's 300MT) is about 800MT/day if I recall what was said at the AGM. The effective capacity given the logistics, power cuts, maintenance downtime, older equipment, etc will be lower.



Hmm so no moat here
Well managed but it is not Apple.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#15 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 7:02:55 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.


Would u know what Ungas market share is?

There are a number of sectors but the answer is No.
Kenya's production data is incomplete in the milled maize sector given the prevalence of informal businesses. A lot of maize is milled in posho mills.
The same with animal feeds i.e. multiple manufacturers esp informal + self-manufacture of feeds.

Wheat may have some stats but I don't have industry stats on hand.
The installed capacity (including Eldoret's 300MT) is about 800MT/day if I recall what was said at the AGM. The effective capacity given the logistics, power cuts, maintenance downtime, older equipment, etc will be lower.



Hmm so no moat here
Well managed but it is not Apple.


“When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact.” Warren Buffett

Not saying this will happen to Unga but if there is no moat .....
the deal
#16 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:31:08 AM
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Good performance must be due to maize subsidy by Uhuru... Dividend delayed that much because GoK hasn't paid yet.. Hopefully GoK pays otherwise @VVS will be here throwing tantrumsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ... Anyways we're is the cash flow statement? I hate companies which release full year results with little information... How do we analyze this?

On the prospects of the company...

1. Sector is fragmented but there is room for consolidation... Unga can start buying small market plays if they want to gain market share although recent buy turned out to be a dud!

2. Growth as Kenyas middle class expands
obiero
#17 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:39:55 AM
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the deal wrote:
Good performance must be due to maize subsidy by Uhuru... Dividend delayed that much because GoK hasn't paid yet.. Hopefully GoK pays otherwise @VVS will be here throwing tantrumsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ... Anyways we're is the cash flow statement? I hate companies which release full year results with little information... How do we analyze this?

On the prospects of the company...

1. Sector is fragmented but there is room for consolidation... Unga can start buying small market plays if they want to gain market share although recent buy turned out to be a dud!

2. Growth as Kenyas middle class expands

@the deal middle class take the least maize you would ever imagine

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:32:35 PM
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Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I was going to genuinely share in the future with Seaboard and Ndegwas then I do not mind a measly dividend. Look at Jubilee and DTB.

In this case, the significant expansion was planned and executed while we were shareholders and using our funds. Then the attempt to buy us out at below BV.

I should not be surprised given the Ndegwas are just a polished version of Merali.

This comes back to Corporate Governance. I was blind-sided. It's just a matter of time before I bail out of the NIC I have.


Would u know what Ungas market share is?

There are a number of sectors but the answer is No.
Kenya's production data is incomplete in the milled maize sector given the prevalence of informal businesses. A lot of maize is milled in posho mills.
The same with animal feeds i.e. multiple manufacturers esp informal + self-manufacture of feeds.

Wheat may have some stats but I don't have industry stats on hand.
The installed capacity (including Eldoret's 300MT) is about 800MT/day if I recall what was said at the AGM. The effective capacity given the logistics, power cuts, maintenance downtime, older equipment, etc will be lower.



Hmm so no moat here
Well managed but it is not Apple.


“When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact.” Warren Buffett

Not saying this will happen to Unga but if there is no moat ...

Economics - This is not a high growth sector. It's FMCG and in a politically sensitive sector. Slow but steady. It will have good and bad years but we will have to eat.

Moat - Agreed and that's why I did not pay a premium for the shares. That said, I do not mind being paid a premium for my shares.

Very few listed firms have moats. Even those with moats can be invaded or new techniques used to overcome the moats. Investing is not easy.

Barclays and SCBK were toppled by Equity, DTB, etc despite what seemed like a huge headstart/moat.
KQ - Zombie. This despite the "National Carrier" tag.
Uchumi - Overtaken by Nakumatt which also collapsed, then by Tuskys, Naivas and Carrefour.
EA Cables - Once an unstoppable manufacturing behemoth but wow a shell.
Marshalls - Once the 504s went away...
KenolKobil - Up then down and now back up.
Mumias - It was THE sugar firm.

Unlisted
Airtel was the go-to network at one point.
Telkom/KPT&C was a monopoly but then came the cord-cutters. Safaricom was once a 100% subsidiary.

Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:43:25 PM
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the deal wrote:
Good performance must be due to maize subsidy by Uhuru...
Was there a subsidy or just a suspension of taxes on imported maize?
Dividend delayed that much because GoK hasn't paid yet..
Final dividends are usually paid after the AGM - Unga's AGMs are usually held in Dec. Is it different on other exchanges?
Hopefully GoK pays otherwise @VVS will be here throwing tantrumsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ... GoK should honor its commitments. Please do not get stressed on my behalf.
Anyways we're is the cash flow statement?
Buy a newspaper once in a while. Only 60/-.
Are you are one of those shareholders who show up for the freebies?

I hate companies which release full year results with little information... How do we analyze this? Is it any less info than most other NSE-listed firms?

On the prospects of the company...

1. Sector is fragmented but there is room for consolidation... Unga can start buying small market plays if they want to gain market share although recent buy turned out to be a dud! Unga did not buy a milling firm. It was a new line of business. Acquisitions are not always a good idea.

2. Growth as Kenyas middle class expands
Which middle class?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:04:03 AM
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obiero wrote:
the deal wrote:
Good performance must be due to maize subsidy by Uhuru... Dividend delayed that much because GoK hasn't paid yet.. Hopefully GoK pays otherwise @VVS will be here throwing tantrumsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ... Anyways we're is the cash flow statement? I hate companies which release full year results with little information... How do we analyze this?

On the prospects of the company...

1. Sector is fragmented but there is room for consolidation... Unga can start buying small market plays if they want to gain market share although recent buy turned out to be a dud!

2. Growth as Kenyas middle class expands

@the deal middle class take the least maize you would ever imagine

Bingo. Wheat not maize is where the growth is.
Jamaa is more worried about the mealie meal that fewer urban middle-class eat regularly.
Why worry about the matatus going to Rongai from CBD when you want to catch a flight from JKIA?

For Unga, the next phase of expansion is soya products.

Like any other sensible business, Unga took opportunistic advantage of the duty-free maize and stayed in the good books of GoK by suspending production of Hostess in favor of Jogoo and Hodari.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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