Do you as a Christian believe in Jesus or not??

Matthew 5:17 Do not imagine I have come to change the Law of Moses or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish it...

And Jesus Christ stated that the Law of Moses remains unchanged until the end of this world! If you as Christian do not follow the OT, Yahweh's Law, then you are disobeying his law!

@MugundaMan

As for the SWINE, the PIG, your own Bible says its flesh is forbidden. You can deny but it is written and the ink is dried:

(a) "Of their flesh (of the swine) shall ye NOT EAT, and their carcass ye shall NOT TOUCH; they are unclean to you." LEVITICUS 11:8

Jesus (pbuh) destroyed 2000 pigs to heal one man -
(b) "And forthwith Jesus gave them leave (permission). And the unclean spirits (the devils) went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand); and were choked in the sea." MARK 5:13

Either expunge those verses from your Bible or swallow your ride and shut up! Usituletee machezo hapa Wazua, sisi hapana watoto! Rhetorics peleka kanisani to those who will just respond "amen!" hapa ni facts!

[quote=MugundaMan]
ha ha ha ha ha! You are the one being played by this fellow, because you are taking what he is saying as fact without actually reading the Bible for yourself to confirm whether what he is saying is true or not. And these are some tips that will help you weed through the deception:

1. Remember that there are numerous versions of the Bible; NIV, KJV, NASB, The so called Message and so many more. KJV is the closest it gets to the original scrolls. The message is a paraphrase of the Bible (I do not consider it at all to be an accurate representation of God's Word.) So when the prof compares one verse with another by comparing the KJV version of the former with the Message version of the latter, of course he knows you who swallow what he says as gospel will be easily convinced.

Ok. Which one is the accurate representation of God’s words and explain to us how you know.

2. Think of the Gospels as a narrative in 4D. As I explained in an earlier post. Two people can be at the same event, and notice various aspects that slightly differ in the same storyline, but that does not invalidate the overall unity of the story. For example, you and I may be looking at a beautiful girl. You may describe her as having nice hair and cheekbones and a wry smile. I may say she has very nice assets and a pretty dress. Does this mean our accounts contradict? Of course not.

Ok. Let me ask you a few pointed question:

1. Of the four canonical gospels, which one was the first one to be written, and when?
2. How long after Jesus’s death and resurrection was the first gospel written?
3. Were the canonical gospels written by the authors purported to have written them? Were they originally in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek?
4. Do you know the timelines of when the other three canonical gospels were written? If they were not written at the same time, would you appreciate that it is possible for one to copy another?
5. Can you list three storylines where you noted differences between the canonical gospels?
6. For #3 above, can you explain (without giving a broad non-specific answer), why you think there are differences.
7. For Matthew specifically, do you think that souls of the dead woke up from the graves to witness the death of Jesus? Is there a reason no other gospel mentions this, considering all other things that happened, like a 3 hour eclipse and the ripping of the temple curtain? Are these not events anyone living at that time would notice and historians would have down?
8. Is Lazarus in all the four gospels? If not in which ones is his story told. Where he has been mentioned, is it the same Lazarus in all storylines?
9. For extra credit – How many gospels do you think there were outside the canonical gospel? Can you name one?

That all four Gospels written by four different authors of different backgrounds agree in stunning detail has confounded even some diehard atheists. The only safe refuge they have in explaining why this is so is that either there was a conspiracy after the fact or they all were a "forgery" yet all extra-Biblical historical evidence points otherwise.

Do you rule out that forged or plagiarized books can also be similar in stunning detail too? If you don’t agree, what is your method of coming to the conclusion. Why do you think your sources are more credible than any others?

Again I say your method is clever, when you don’t have to address specific detail. To determine if this debate is of any value to me, I will see how you deal with my questions above. Like whether you will start with some laughing memes, and then dismiss my questions with some broad answers. Or whether you will start with a throat clearing, then make an effort to answer my questions in a thoughtful manner without receding to a theistic explanation or answering in a broad non-specific way.

I don't refute that there could have been an eccentric mad preacher walking the earth then. There were many Jewish sects who were clamoring for a messiah who would free them the Romans. Religious disputes among them were common, "Resurrections" were a banality and so was the name Jesus (Yeshua)




I will leave it to the readers to determine if this paragraph (only) is the best secular evidence for historicity of someone who legend supposedly shook the earth.

You see, your arguments are pedestrian at best and they have been fully addressed NUMEROUS times by Biblical Historians. If Josephus (whom you have CONVENIENTLY TRUNCATED TO JUST ONE PARAGRAPH) has not satisfied you, neither will Pliny the Younger, neither will Tacitus, neither will the Babylonian Talmud and all other sources which you seem to want me to reproduce here verbatim as if I was a schoolboy doing Biblical History 101 who has never read them before. READ THEM FOR YOURSELF and be dissatisfied in them because you clearly will never be convinced.