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Kusadikika
#21 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2018 8:42:08 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
newfarer wrote:
masukuma wrote:
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fellow Africans treat one another worse than this Chinese man.

each day we are proving him right

I tend to agree with him... The word has been used to mean "uncivilized nature", which we are largely

Continue defending and agreeing with him, just like you defend your religion-mates in the middle east who treat Kenyans like beasts.

Even Trump knows we are sh*t hole country... This guy is not blind to see that

NOTE: I'm not supporting his racist behaviour. I would skin him alive. BUT! Truth be told we are so uncivilized!

I personally I am unpertubed by what Trump really thinks of us... the truth is that there are more shit hole countries than those which are not. More humans live shit hole lives than those who don't.
secondly.

I usually find it rather predictable when a random foreigner calls us "monkeys" (I think the appropriate word is "apes" but what can you expect from an unschooled chinaman?... "monkey" it is) THEN one who has been monikered a "monkey" thinks... that's not so bad... "we" do much worse things to our neighbours. They don't realise that it's a dignity play... it's one thing to say that we are DIRTY, SMELLY, POOR, FOOLISH people. That we can work on... we cannot work on not being a "monkey"

Who is WE? in the group of WE not being uncivilized... I will create a "we" that is WE without ME and call it "we". So "we" do like throwing bottles of water and soft drinks out of the cars or when just walking then blame "poor" chinese workmanship because they built roads without drainage.
"We" also tend feed animals in game parks - totally disregarding "do not feed the animals" notices. "We" also drive like rude maniacs. I have been around the park a bit and have seen really "uncivilized" behaviour... pooping on beaches and pissing on walls by our african brothers. Heck I heard a story of indians in Delhi who used to piss to much on a university wall despite all attempts to stop them from pissing on it but they only stopped after images of their Gods were painted on the wall. We read about all the rape stories in New Delhi... so it means being "uncivilized" is an aspect of culture - it can change! but can you rescue yourself and your kids from being called Monkeys? look around your house right now.. see all your babies running around and know that the chinaman called them "monkeys"... they cannot do anything in his eyes to rescue themselves from their monkey state... they can do anything but because they were born by monkeys... nothing can change.


I used to be optimistic like you Masukuma and thought that culture can change but the more I live and see and learn the more pessimistic I get. The biggest driver of change of culture was oppression more specifically colonialism and forceful conversion into religion be it christianity or Islam. Now that the whole world has rights every "uncivilized" behavior has its defenders. In the name of diversity anything and everything goes.

Listen to this talk about open defacation in India. Kubadilisha watu ni ngumu.


tycho
#22 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2018 9:12:25 PM
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Wengine wanataka kubadilisha watu, na wao wenyewe hawajielewi!

Mpaka wanatoa verdict eti!
masukuma
#23 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:11:40 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
newfarer wrote:
masukuma wrote:
[tweet]1037375073500508161/tweet]

fellow Africans treat one another worse than this Chinese man.

each day we are proving him right

I tend to agree with him... The word has been used to mean "uncivilized nature", which we are largely

Continue defending and agreeing with him, just like you defend your religion-mates in the middle east who treat Kenyans like beasts.

Even Trump knows we are sh*t hole country... This guy is not blind to see that

NOTE: I'm not supporting his racist behaviour. I would skin him alive. BUT! Truth be told we are so uncivilized!

I personally I am unpertubed by what Trump really thinks of us... the truth is that there are more shit hole countries than those which are not. More humans live shit hole lives than those who don't.
secondly.

I usually find it rather predictable when a random foreigner calls us "monkeys" (I think the appropriate word is "apes" but what can you expect from an unschooled chinaman?... "monkey" it is) THEN one who has been monikered a "monkey" thinks... that's not so bad... "we" do much worse things to our neighbours. They don't realise that it's a dignity play... it's one thing to say that we are DIRTY, SMELLY, POOR, FOOLISH people. That we can work on... we cannot work on not being a "monkey"

Who is WE? in the group of WE not being uncivilized... I will create a "we" that is WE without ME and call it "we". So "we" do like throwing bottles of water and soft drinks out of the cars or when just walking then blame "poor" chinese workmanship because they built roads without drainage.
"We" also tend feed animals in game parks - totally disregarding "do not feed the animals" notices. "We" also drive like rude maniacs. I have been around the park a bit and have seen really "uncivilized" behaviour... pooping on beaches and pissing on walls by our african brothers. Heck I heard a story of indians in Delhi who used to piss to much on a university wall despite all attempts to stop them from pissing on it but they only stopped after images of their Gods were painted on the wall. We read about all the rape stories in New Delhi... so it means being "uncivilized" is an aspect of culture - it can change! but can you rescue yourself and your kids from being called Monkeys? look around your house right now.. see all your babies running around and know that the chinaman called them "monkeys"... they cannot do anything in his eyes to rescue themselves from their monkey state... they can do anything but because they were born by monkeys... nothing can change.


I used to be optimistic like you Masukuma and thought that culture can change but the more I live and see and learn the more pessimistic I get. The biggest driver of change of culture was oppression more specifically colonialism and forceful conversion into religion be it christianity or Islam. Now that the whole world has rights every "uncivilized" behavior has its defenders. In the name of diversity anything and everything goes.

Listen to this talk about open defacation in India. Kubadilisha watu ni ngumu.



I prefer to look at it as a really difficult job vs an impossible job. Culture changes... it's not easy to change it but it changeable... compared to say genes... you will never be anything other than a mwafrika and your kids as well. it's also a matter of taking responsibility. if you accept things as they are or "kuwachia Mungu" - you are being irresponsible! get in there and do something... say something. I have a neighbour who refers to himself as the mad man... because mad men pick papers and he cannot stand seeing pieces of rubbish around his neighbourhood... Yeye ameamua... Anyone who has read Wangari Maathai's biography realised that there was no "big moment" but rather a bunch of small courageous decisions that made the woman what she became. Small everyday choices, consistently and diligently applied - add up!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Tokyo
#24 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 8:57:41 AM
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Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.
work to prosper
MugundaMan
#25 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 9:26:40 AM
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he he he he he he
Kenyans need to develop a thick skin.
If you get annoyed or upset every time someone thinks or says something racist or negative of you, you will have a heart attack every 2 seconds. Racism, tribalism, sectarianism and so on are just elements of human nature in a fallen world.
You cannot control what someone else thinks of you.
Like politics, think of INTERESTS and not EMOTIONS. In your emotions, if you chase and close down this company because someone thinks you are a monkey, you may put 1000 people out of work and will not change the young Chinese man's mind about you.
The same thing happened to many African Americans in USA after slavery. They have been crying racism to this day, blaming it for everything including their own poverty, yet funnily enough, young immigrant blacks from Africa and the Caribbean who go there and do not share the same sentiments get ahead very fast because they work hard and obey the law for the most part. And the African Americans end up saying blacks from Africa and the Caribbean are "favoured" while they (African Americans) are cursed by racism! That does not even make sense! Compare also with the Jews who were fried by Hitler in an event far worse than slavery IMHO. They bounced back fast from the ghettos they were confined in, even in New York for Eastern European Jews, rising fast from their own sweat and leaving those ghettos for the blacks who are still there to this day using racism as an excuse for failure.
Sticks and stones break bones, words do not cut or punch unless your skin is not thick and a man can destroy your ego by calling you a monkey or a dragon fly or an ant. If you know you are not those things, why does it bother you so much? smile

Ni hayo maoni yangu tu
simonkabz
#26 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:02:24 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
he he he he he he
Kenyans need to develop a thick skin.
If you get annoyed or upset every time someone thinks or says something racist or negative of you, you will have a heart attack every 2 seconds. Racism, tribalism, sectarianism and so on are just elements of human nature in a fallen world.
You cannot control what someone else thinks of you.
Like politics, think of INTERESTS and not EMOTIONS. In your emotions, if you chase and close down this company because someone thinks you are a monkey, you may put 1000 people out of work and will not change the young Chinese man's mind about you.
The same thing happened to many African Americans in USA after slavery. They have been crying racism to this day, blaming it for everything including their own poverty, yet funnily enough, young immigrant blacks from Africa and the Caribbean who go there and do not share the same sentiments get ahead very fast because they work hard and obey the law for the most part. And the African Americans end up saying blacks from Africa and the Caribbean are "favoured" while they (African Americans) are cursed by racism! That does not even make sense! Compare also with the Jews who were fried by Hitler in an event far worse than slavery IMHO. They bounced back fast from the ghettos they were confined in, even in New York for Eastern European Jews, rising fast from their own sweat and leaving those ghettos for the blacks who are still there to this day using racism as an excuse for failure.
Sticks and stones break bones, words do not cut or punch unless your skin is not thick and a man can destroy your ego by calling you a monkey or a dragon fly or an ant. If you know you are not those things, why does it bother you so much? smile

Ni hayo maoni yangu tu


Spoken like a great observer. I have never really understood the sentiments of the African Americans, and I don't share their views.

They are practically more racist against the whites than the other way round, are killers and generally violent........you only need to take a look at Chicago Homicides to understand the black man - an average of 50 murders every day!!!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
tycho
#27 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:12:18 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Giving them contracts?
simonkabz
#28 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:13:10 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Fully agree. Primitivity, violence and savagery are our forte.

A pointer as to why Nairobi and many Sub-Saharan cities are basically massive violent slums.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
masukuma
#29 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:15:40 AM
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MugundaMan wrote:
he he he he he he
Kenyans need to develop a thick skin.
If you get annoyed or upset every time someone thinks or says something racist or negative of you, you will have a heart attack every 2 seconds. Racism, tribalism, sectarianism and so on are just elements of human nature in a fallen world.
You cannot control what someone else thinks of you.
Like politics, think of INTERESTS and not EMOTIONS. In your emotions, if you chase and close down this company because someone thinks you are a monkey, you may put 1000 people out of work and will not change the young Chinese man's mind about you.
The same thing happened to many African Americans in USA after slavery. They have been crying racism to this day, blaming it for everything including their own poverty, yet funnily enough, young immigrant blacks from Africa and the Caribbean who go there and do not share the same sentiments get ahead very fast because they work hard and obey the law for the most part. And the African Americans end up saying blacks from Africa and the Caribbean are "favoured" while they (African Americans) are cursed by racism! That does not even make sense! Compare also with the Jews who were fried by Hitler in an event far worse than slavery IMHO. They bounced back fast from the ghettos they were confined in, even in New York for Eastern European Jews, rising fast from their own sweat and leaving those ghettos for the blacks who are still there to this day using racism as an excuse for failure.
Sticks and stones break bones, words do not cut or punch unless your skin is not thick and a man can destroy your ego by calling you a monkey or a dragon fly or an ant. If you know you are not those things, why does it bother you so much? smile

Ni hayo maoni yangu tu

It's one thing to not put up with racist remarks and observations (especially in your own backyard) and another to use historical injustices as an excuse to not being responsible for your own destiny in a free world. Two totally different things. No one should accept or put up with people who insult their dignity - NO ONE! my dignity is not up for discussion... the dignity of my children is not up for discussion. You can think what you want but just know that there will be consequences when you tell me to my face and in my house that you think I am sub human. Not stomaching this is not to be confused with not acting like a grown-up and fighting for my own bread and being responsible for my family.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#30 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:15:59 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Giving them contracts?
masukuma
#31 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:25:47 AM
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I am not a Human DOING! I am a human BEING! I refuse to earn my designation and dignity as a human... it has nothing to do with what I do... in the same way it has nothing to do with a poor white man is not being considered a monkey, or a smelly mexican person is not being classified as a monkey, a dirty asian is not a monkey... I REFUSE! I demand respect as a human! I will not earn it... I refuse to recognize that there is a race of persons out there with a checklist they created themselves based on their recent accomplishments that I have to comply with so that I can earn "respect" as a human being. I DEMAND respect as a human being in their eyes... I am unwilling to EARN it in their eyes!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#32 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:26:05 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Fully agree. Primitivity, violence and savagery are our forte.

A pointer as to why Nairobi and many Sub-Saharan cities are basically massive violent slums.

masukuma
#33 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:45:59 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Fully agree. Primitivity, violence and savagery are our forte.

A pointer as to why Nairobi and many Sub-Saharan cities are basically massive violent slums.


So Dangote is to be considered a monkey until all africans figure themselves out of poverty?


I have written this over and over again
masukuma wrote:
The failure ya Mzungu is attributed to the individual and the success to the group. For mwafrica - failure belongs to the group but success is individual


it's time to refuse to put up with this mindset...
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Fullykenyan
#34 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:54:40 AM
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A work colleague of mine,the sister went to senegal as a young missionary with the mormom church. Once back,she said she will never ever go back to africa again. I asked what are the reasons. He told me the sister saw things that she would describe as uncivilised
simonkabz
#35 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:58:24 AM
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masukuma wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Fully agree. Primitivity, violence and savagery are our forte.

A pointer as to why Nairobi and many Sub-Saharan cities are basically massive violent slums.


So Dangote is to be considered a monkey until all africans figure themselves out of poverty?


I have written this over and over again
masukuma wrote:
The failure ya Mzungu is attributed to the individual and the success to the group. For mwafrica - failure belongs to the group but success is individual


it's time to refuse to put up with this mindset...


Of course there's nobody here siding with the stupid chinaboy, we are onto sth else, the reason we are so disrespected as a people.

We must accept our failures first and foremost , then move on to correct them. I'm against any attempt to sanitize what is clearly out of order.....remember the debate the other day on improving Nairobi's Eastlands and fellows defending filth?

Sweeping dirt under the carpet or burying our heads in the sand wont do us any good. We must accept and face our inadequacies headlong..
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
tycho
#36 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:08:22 AM
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masukuma wrote:
I am not a Human DOING! I am a human BEING! I refuse to earn my designation and dignity as a human... it has nothing to do with what I do... in the same way it has nothing to do with a poor white man is not being considered a monkey, or a smelly mexican person is not being classified as a monkey, a dirty asian is not a monkey... I REFUSE! I demand respect as a human! I will not earn it... I refuse to recognize that there is a race of persons out there with a checklist they created themselves based on their recent accomplishments that I have to comply with so that I can earn "respect" as a human being. I DEMAND respect as a human being in their eyes... I am unwilling to EARN it in their eyes!


We may not agree most of the time, but you have my respect because at least, you take effort to think.

You might not be surprised of course that the Chinese man has never known his to think for himself and that's why he's spewing garbage.

And because most of us are like him, we're all over the place lamenting.
AlphDoti
#37 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:50:04 AM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
A work colleague of mine,the sister went to senegal as a young missionary with the mormom church. Once back,she said she will never ever go back to africa again. I asked what are the reasons. He told me the sister saw things that she would describe as uncivilised

Are we truly socially marginalized and oppressed? Can't we have an opportunity to break out of this yoke?
masukuma
#38 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 1:27:52 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
masukuma wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Fully agree. Primitivity, violence and savagery are our forte.

A pointer as to why Nairobi and many Sub-Saharan cities are basically massive violent slums.


So Dangote is to be considered a monkey until all africans figure themselves out of poverty?


I have written this over and over again
masukuma wrote:
The failure ya Mzungu is attributed to the individual and the success to the group. For mwafrica - failure belongs to the group but success is individual


it's time to refuse to put up with this mindset...


Of course there's nobody here siding with the stupid chinaboy, we are onto sth else, the reason we are so disrespected as a people.

We must accept our failures first and foremost , then move on to correct them. I'm against any attempt to sanitize what is clearly out of order.....remember the debate the other day on improving Nairobi's Eastlands and fellows defending filth?

Sweeping dirt under the carpet or burying our heads in the sand wont do us any good. We must accept and face our inadequacies headlong..

Then stop mixing the two together... being foolish, poor, dirty, uncouth are things we can work on. but being OUR RACE is something we cannot and shouldn't have to work on. Don't swallow the bait and start discussing elements of culture being linked to biology. I am OK with people saying that Africans are generally POOR, FOOLISH, UNCOUTH, DIRTY PEOPLE! those are statistical facts! All elements of culture that are hard to change but possible to change. but don't attribute that to being black or african (a biological fact) or somehow consider black/African as being sub human - I can point to the same issues elsewhere... as we heard more than 50% of people who poop outside are in india...
We are unlikely to solve these issues in my lifetime so I am unwilling to submit myself to be assessed by the marking scheme some races conjured up to determine how me and my kids are to be considered human.
I am black, I am African PERSON... A matter of history and biology... I didn't say I am not a member of a race of people that is statistically poor or dirty or smelly... but I am a member of a race of PEOPLE! I refuse to earn my dignity and the dignity of my children in the eyes of these races by doing things.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
simonkabz
#39 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 3:46:12 PM
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masukuma wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
masukuma wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Fully agree. Primitivity, violence and savagery are our forte.

A pointer as to why Nairobi and many Sub-Saharan cities are basically massive violent slums.


So Dangote is to be considered a monkey until all africans figure themselves out of poverty?


I have written this over and over again
masukuma wrote:
The failure ya Mzungu is attributed to the individual and the success to the group. For mwafrica - failure belongs to the group but success is individual


it's time to refuse to put up with this mindset...


Of course there's nobody here siding with the stupid chinaboy, we are onto sth else, the reason we are so disrespected as a people.

We must accept our failures first and foremost , then move on to correct them. I'm against any attempt to sanitize what is clearly out of order.....remember the debate the other day on improving Nairobi's Eastlands and fellows defending filth?

Sweeping dirt under the carpet or burying our heads in the sand wont do us any good. We must accept and face our inadequacies headlong..

Then stop mixing the two together... being foolish, poor, dirty, uncouth are things we can work on. but being OUR RACE is something we cannot and shouldn't have to work on. Don't swallow the bait and start discussing elements of culture being linked to biology. I am OK with people saying that Africans are generally POOR, FOOLISH, UNCOUTH, DIRTY PEOPLE! those are statistical facts! All elements of culture that are hard to change but possible to change. but don't attribute that to being black or african (a biological fact) or somehow consider black/African as being sub human - I can point to the same issues elsewhere... as we heard more than 50% of people who poop outside are in india...
We are unlikely to solve these issues in my lifetime so I am unwilling to submit myself to be assessed by the marking scheme some races conjured up to determine how me and my kids are to be considered human.
I am black, I am African PERSON... A matter of history and biology... I didn't say I am not a member of a race of people that is statistically poor or dirty or smelly... but I am a member of a race of PEOPLE! I refuse to earn my dignity and the dignity of my children in the eyes of these races by doing things.


LOL!

Leo ni furahiday, saa ya fobe kaka.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
wukan
#40 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 5:06:05 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
Black People doing nothing comparative to earn them respect accorded to other races.


Fully agree. Primitivity, violence and savagery are our forte.

A pointer as to why Nairobi and many Sub-Saharan cities are basically massive violent slums.


Isn't this same savagery, brute force that black people ancestors used to occupy the tropics and pushing the weaker europeans/asians tribes to the sub-tropics to breed with Neanderthals. Europeans/asians have been adopting technology especially in warfare ever since.

The black man is scary. I see fear when someone calls a black man "a monkey" they see the "primitive energy". Asking the black man to be "civilized" is to fear what he will do with his 'savagery' if not contained(a little like Bruce Banner-hulk the green monster being calmed by his girlfriend Betty Ross). Take a trip to chocolate city(Guangzhuo) you see how blacks are being contained after some riots some time back. It's better to be feared than respected.


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