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MugundaMan		#51 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 10:31:33 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)		KaunganaDoDo wrote: MugundaMan wrote: KaunganaDoDo wrote: Dont be misled into thinking that the LOIANGALANI SUSWA line has been energized!!!...day dream...the CS took journalists there to fool them..only one circuit is complete....the line is a double circuit 400KV . The generator(LTWP) can not eveacuate power through the single cirtuit while works still ongoing on the other circuit. Siemens are still testing the Teriminal susbstations...the 300MW are not coming cheap...there will be additional passthrough costs to the consumers....Intergration of intermittent sources of energy into the grid will be expensive ....the earliest the line will be commissioned is End of September 2018...EARLIEST Which is fine too. Doesn't make much of a difference to me. The important thing is that LTWP will finally come online and the power pools in the region can finally start to get integrated. Will be lovely to be able to buy cheap power from GERD once they are done. Or sell some overcapacity to Rwanda, Tanzania or even as far as Zambia once all our power pools are connected! And hopefully, on the local front, power blackouts will diminish drastically with time. Good times ahead in the coming years IMHO Good and Poor analogy.....the LOIANGALANI SUSWA LINE will not form part of the inegration...There is a parralel line 500 KV DC line from ethiopia to Suswa then to the ketraco lines all the way to TZ...There is nothing like cheap power that will come...LTWP will cause the power yield to increase from around 11.9 shillings to 14 shillings(what you are paying now, why the tariffs were increased last month)....The PPA with rwanda is only 30MW You are contradicting yourself and missing the bigger point my braddah. 1. Are our power pools getting integrated or not? 2. Are we exporting power or not? From your own post above, clearly both points above are in the affirmative. As for cheaper power, please give us a breakdown of geo costs per unit verses wind, verses hydro, versus diesel, ceteris paribus and then revert.
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KaunganaDoDo		#52 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:05:33 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 8/6/2018 Posts: 299		MugundaMan wrote: KaunganaDoDo wrote: MugundaMan wrote: KaunganaDoDo wrote: Dont be misled into thinking that the LOIANGALANI SUSWA line has been energized!!!...day dream...the CS took journalists there to fool them..only one circuit is complete....the line is a double circuit 400KV . The generator(LTWP) can not eveacuate power through the single cirtuit while works still ongoing on the other circuit. Siemens are still testing the Teriminal susbstations...the 300MW are not coming cheap...there will be additional passthrough costs to the consumers....Intergration of intermittent sources of energy into the grid will be expensive ....the earliest the line will be commissioned is End of September 2018...EARLIEST Which is fine too. Doesn't make much of a difference to me. The important thing is that LTWP will finally come online and the power pools in the region can finally start to get integrated. Will be lovely to be able to buy cheap power from GERD once they are done. Or sell some overcapacity to Rwanda, Tanzania or even as far as Zambia once all our power pools are connected! And hopefully, on the local front, power blackouts will diminish drastically with time. Good times ahead in the coming years IMHO Good and Poor analogy.....the LOIANGALANI SUSWA LINE will not form part of the inegration...There is a parralel line 500 KV DC line from ethiopia to Suswa then to the ketraco lines all the way to TZ...There is nothing like cheap power that will come...LTWP will cause the power yield to increase from around 11.9 shillings to 14 shillings(what you are paying now, why the tariffs were increased last month)....The PPA with rwanda is only 30MW You are contradicting yourself and missing the bigger point my braddah. 1. Are our power pools getting integrated or not? 2. Are we exporting power or not? From your own post above, clearly both points above are in the affirmative. As for cheaper power, please give us a breakdown of geo costs per unit verses wind, verses hydro, versus diesel, ceteris paribus and then revert. The markets are getting integrated YES. Right now we are not exporting power. Ethiopia will be exporting power to Kenya (400MW) take or pay, and to TZ. Kenya signed a 30MW to supply rwanda but there is no transmisson line from olkaria to kisumu... COSTS The current Hydro plants from KenGen are the cheapest(because they have been armotized fully, there original PPAs expired and were refurbished for additional life) they go at 3 shillings, except those in Sangoro and Sonu Mirio(Recent projects)....other private Hydors like those under Feed in Tariff go for 12 shillings(though their capacity are small) Geothermal levelized tariff range between 7 to 8 shilings for new projects.... Lake turkana wind will be around 8 shillings other wind projects like KenGen are at 12 shilings. solar range between 9 and 12 shillings per kwh then Thermal go way upto 18 shillings...
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Ericsson		#53 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:16:10 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,820 Location: NAIROBI		MugundaMan wrote: Ericsson wrote: It's a waste of time debating with Mugundaman Ericsson, I don't recall engaging you in any "debate" in fact all I see from you is cryptic one liners of no content worth responding to in almost all of your posts You don't need to respond since they have never been directed to you Some of the things you are posting are in a fantasy world Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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MugundaMan		#54 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:28:11 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)		KaunganaDoDo wrote: The markets are getting integrated YES. Thank you! Quote: Right now we are not exporting power. Ethiopia will be exporting power to Kenya (400MW) take or pay, and to TZ. Kenya signed a 30MW to supply rwanda but there is no transmisson line from olkaria to kisumu... Great info. I was under the impression that we were exporting power. Regardless, once the infrastructure is in place it would be a great asset IMHO to be able to export and import throughout the linked power pools so that every country can benefit from the least cost available. Quote: COSTS The current Hydro plants from KenGen are the cheapest(because they have been armotized fully, there original PPAs expired and were refurbished for additional life) they go at 3 shillings, except those in Sangoro and Sonu Mirio(Recent projects)....other private Hydors like those under Feed in Tariff go for 12 shillings(though their capacity are small) Geothermal levelized tariff range between 7 to 8 shilings for new projects.... Lake turkana wind will be around 8 shillings other wind projects like KenGen are at 12 shilings. solar range between 9 and 12 shillings per kwh then Thermal go way upto 18 shillings... Asante! Last time I checked we still had some thermal input. So LTWP coming on tap at 8 bob is a huge savings compared to thermal that (hopefully) can dislodge thermal in the long run. All in all I think the government is doing all the RIGHT things to move our energy mix and power linkages forward and LWTP and the Llogiyani (i can never spell this thing right ) line are part of that great leap forward. But whatever happened to the Kinangop Wind plant? Any hope of it being revived in our lifetime?
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MugundaMan		#55 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:31:20 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)		Ericsson wrote: MugundaMan wrote: Ericsson wrote: It's a waste of time debating with Mugundaman Ericsson, I don't recall engaging you in any "debate" in fact all I see from you is cryptic one liners of no content worth responding to in almost all of your posts Some of the things you are posting are in a fantasy world Of a truth, a leopard never changes its spots
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simonkabz		#56 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:45:44 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon		KaunganaDoDo wrote: MugundaMan wrote: Bachuma Gate wrote: Demolitions started yesterday to pave way for construction of Bomas Rongai Kiserian Kona Baridi road to dual carriageway. The big fresh vegetable market at Kware has been flatten. Woohoo! Kusema na kutenda The government is truly firing on all cylinders now. Things are now reaching critical mass: war on impunity, infrastructure boom, SGR eventual completion to Kisumu. Can't wait for more development ahead! Just this week alone Llongyani line will be energised, pumping in well over 300MW into the gird. The sweetest part of it is that and it has fiber optic link. Which means fibre will be nywee in the entire region once Ethiopia and SSD are connected. Ketraco will also have a decent income source without having to depend on treasury. Two new geothermal projects announced as in the pipeline JKIA to Kangemi expressway (and so much more) negotiated for in China as part of the $60B goodies allocated during FOCAC! Dustbowl is benefitting big from all these initiatives Roads construction continues at rapid clip God bless Kenya! Dont be misled into thinking that the LOIANGALANI SUSWA line has been energized!!!...day dream...the CS took journalists there to fool them..only one circuit is complete....the line is a double circuit 400KV . The generator(LTWP) can not eveacuate power through the single cirtuit while works still ongoing on the other circuit. Siemens are still testing the Teriminal susbstations...the 300MW are not coming cheap...there will be additional passthrough costs to the consumers....Intergration of intermittent sources of energy into the grid will be expensive ....the earliest the line will be commissioned is End of September 2018...EARLIEST You make it sound like its a decade away. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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KaunganaDoDo		#57 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 11:46:58 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 8/6/2018 Posts: 299		MugundaMan wrote: KaunganaDoDo wrote: The markets are getting integrated YES. Thank you! Quote: Right now we are not exporting power. Ethiopia will be exporting power to Kenya (400MW) take or pay, and to TZ. Kenya signed a 30MW to supply rwanda but there is no transmisson line from olkaria to kisumu... Great info. I was under the impression that we were exporting power. Regardless, once the infrastructure is in place it would be a great asset IMHO to be able to export and import throughout the linked power pools so that every country can benefit from the least cost available. Quote: COSTS The current Hydro plants from KenGen are the cheapest(because they have been armotized fully, there original PPAs expired and were refurbished for additional life) they go at 3 shillings, except those in Sangoro and Sonu Mirio(Recent projects)....other private Hydors like those under Feed in Tariff go for 12 shillings(though their capacity are small) Geothermal levelized tariff range between 7 to 8 shilings for new projects.... Lake turkana wind will be around 8 shillings other wind projects like KenGen are at 12 shilings. solar range between 9 and 12 shillings per kwh then Thermal go way upto 18 shillings... Asante! Last time I checked we still had some thermal input. So LTWP coming on tap at 8 bob is a huge savings compared to thermal that (hopefully) can dislodge thermal in the long run. All in all I think the government is doing all the RIGHT things to move our energy mix and power linkages forward and LWTP and the Llogiyani (i can never spell this thing right ) line are part of that great leap forward. But whatever happened to the Kinangop Wind plant? Any hope of it being revived in our lifetime? Kinangop wind power, is dead. The financiers (Stanbic bank) repossesed the turbines ready for auction to recover their loans...however they have a tacit agreement with the GoK that the buyers of the turbines will put up a similar plant near the location. the Sponsors and the EPC contractors had taked the Government to ICC(International Chamber of Commerce London) seeking huge sums of money...but earlier this year, the government won the case.
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MugundaMan		#58 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 1:33:50 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)		Really sad what happened to this thing. Hope future projects do not have to go through such shenanigans!
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Gathige		#59 Posted : Saturday, September 08, 2018 11:05:29 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242		MugundaMan wrote: Really sad what happened to this thing. Hope future projects do not have to go through such shenanigans! The problem with Kingapo was how they handled the land owners. The location, where there we so many small holders with tiny pieces of land was inherent with problems. Compare it with Kipeto Energy in Kajiado where land is massive and owned by a few and its becomes much easier to deal Our land ownership systems and dealing with public participation are a major hindrance to projects that are land dependent. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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tinker		#60 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:05:03 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi		It is official, finally. https://www.businessdail...54790-4xesyy/index.html Chinese contractor Synohydro has won the tender to dual the Bomas-Ongata Rongai-Kona Baridi stretch in a move aimed at reducing traffic congestion within the city. I am Hoping this will not be another PR gimmick by UhuRuto Garment. Diaspora people have suffered enough. ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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