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obiero
#1321 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:48:47 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,517
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#1322 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 8:54:28 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks
Life is short. Live passionately.
xxxxx
#1323 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 9:35:06 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly
sparkly
#1324 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 10:14:56 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ericsson
#1325 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 10:35:54 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,684
Location: NAIROBI
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Check on yesterday's Nation newspaper.
Auction by Dalali Traders of four blocks of residential apartments in Migaa Golf Estate, Kiambu County
Auction will take place on 12 September 2018 @Dalali Traders offices along Kijabe Street next to Universal Church
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
sparkly
#1326 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 10:42:36 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Check on yesterday's Nation newspaper.
Auction by Dalali Traders of four blocks of residential apartments in Migaa Golf Estate, Kiambu County
Auction will take place on 12 September 2018 @Dalali Traders offices along Kijabe Street next to Universal Church


Thanks @Ericson I am advised accordingly.
Life is short. Live passionately.
rwitre
#1327 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:02:22 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 3/8/2018
Posts: 507
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Check on yesterday's Nation newspaper.
Auction by Dalali Traders of four blocks of residential apartments in Migaa Golf Estate, Kiambu County
Auction will take place on 12 September 2018 @Dalali Traders offices along Kijabe Street next to Universal Church


Thanks @Ericson I am advised accordingly.


Worrying signs of Home Afrika's cash flow Sad Sad
xxxxx
#1328 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:26:28 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.



The economy is bleeding. Even if HAL did all the hard work, the properties are not affordable and hence uptake of the properties will always be very slow. The cash flow situation is thus unlikely to improve.. at least not in the short/ medium term.

The business model requires heavy cash flow to churn out a good deal of relatively cheap properties as well as operational efficiencies in a difficult economy.
HAL doesn't have the ability to combine all these required abilities.
obiero
#1329 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 12:11:45 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,517
Location: nairobi
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.



The economy is bleeding. Even if HAL did all the hard work, the properties are not affordable and hence uptake of the properties will always be very slow. The cash flow situation is thus unlikely to improve.. at least not in the short/ medium term.

The business model requires heavy cash flow to churn out a good deal of relatively cheap properties as well as operational efficiencies in a difficult economy.
HAL doesn't have the ability to combine all these required abilities.

The fact that its bond was undersigned and cancelled tells it all.. I'm actually quite impressed that HAL has been able to survive this far.. I had called its demise about two years ago but its refusing to take a final bow

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#1330 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 5:36:55 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,103
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.



The economy is bleeding. Even if HAL did all the hard work, the properties are not affordable and hence uptake of the properties will always be very slow. The cash flow situation is thus unlikely to improve.. at least not in the short/ medium term.

The business model requires heavy cash flow to churn out a good deal of relatively cheap properties as well as operational efficiencies in a difficult economy.
HAL doesn't have the ability to combine all these required abilities.

The fact that its bond was undersigned and cancelled tells it all.. I'm actually quite impressed that HAL has been able to survive this far.. I had called its demise about two years ago but its refusing to take a final bow

What other loss-making firms does it remind us of? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#1331 Posted : Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:05:13 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,517
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.



The economy is bleeding. Even if HAL did all the hard work, the properties are not affordable and hence uptake of the properties will always be very slow. The cash flow situation is thus unlikely to improve.. at least not in the short/ medium term.

The business model requires heavy cash flow to churn out a good deal of relatively cheap properties as well as operational efficiencies in a difficult economy.
HAL doesn't have the ability to combine all these required abilities.

The fact that its bond was undersigned and cancelled tells it all.. I'm actually quite impressed that HAL has been able to survive this far.. I had called its demise about two years ago but its refusing to take a final bow

What other loss-making firms does it remind us of? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

None comes to mind

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
sparkly
#1332 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:29:45 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Laughing out loudly
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.



The economy is bleeding. Even if HAL did all the hard work, the properties are not affordable and hence uptake of the properties will always be very slow. The cash flow situation is thus unlikely to improve.. at least not in the short/ medium term.

The business model requires heavy cash flow to churn out a good deal of relatively cheap properties as well as operational efficiencies in a difficult economy.
HAL doesn't have the ability to combine all these required abilities.

The fact that its bond was undersigned and cancelled tells it all.. I'm actually quite impressed that HAL has been able to survive this far.. I had called its demise about two years ago but its refusing to take a final bow

What other loss-making firms does it remind us of? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

None comes to mind


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Life is short. Live passionately.
whiteowl
#1333 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2018 4:23:03 PM
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Joined: 4/16/2014
Posts: 1,420
Location: Bohemian Grove
sparkly wrote:
Laughing out loudly
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.



The economy is bleeding. Even if HAL did all the hard work, the properties are not affordable and hence uptake of the properties will always be very slow. The cash flow situation is thus unlikely to improve.. at least not in the short/ medium term.

The business model requires heavy cash flow to churn out a good deal of relatively cheap properties as well as operational efficiencies in a difficult economy.
HAL doesn't have the ability to combine all these required abilities.

The fact that its bond was undersigned and cancelled tells it all.. I'm actually quite impressed that HAL has been able to survive this far.. I had called its demise about two years ago but its refusing to take a final bow

What other loss-making firms does it remind us of? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

None comes to mind


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
VituVingiSana
#1334 Posted : Sunday, September 02, 2018 7:56:27 PM
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If I ever need a Spinmaster, need someone to constantly cheer me up about poor decisions OR deny, deny, deny... I will hire @Obiero Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#1335 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2018 5:55:17 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,517
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
If I ever need a Spinmaster, need someone to constantly cheer me up about poor decisions OR deny, deny, deny... I will hire @Obiero Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Hehe. Plus I am affordable

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Ericsson
#1336 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2018 6:59:30 AM
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Another company that should be put under administration.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
sparkly
#1337 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2018 8:03:03 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Ericsson wrote:
Another company that should be put under administration.


Is the whole company worth KShs 284m, More or Less? That is the big question.
Life is short. Live passionately.
lochaz-index
#1338 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15:35 AM
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Joined: 9/18/2014
Posts: 1,127
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Some of Home Afrika properties in Migaa are being auctioned by creditors to recover ksh.600mn loan


Link?

Remember these guys took local bank debt and thereafter they failed to fund raise.. I believe it's true and it's definitely their best property that will be on quick sale. Only worry is what happens to guys who bought up positions in their investment plans


Where is the link or personal testimony of the auction?

Who is the creditor auctioning? When did the auction take place?

These details will help me better evaluate the investment.
Thanks


Someone help @Sparkly urgently.... These monkey dances are going to kill wazuans with pressure. Ati after this, we'll find @Ericsson with DeaconsLaughing out loudly


@xxxxx looking at HAL financials, the problem is one of liquidity. They are spending too much money in admin but not putting enough into completing projects.

IMO the liquidity issue can be sorted out by more aggressive selling of their projects and investing more of funds raised into completing projects underway.

In short they should work harder at converting inventories into cash rather than getting loans and bonds from financiers.

Unless HAL is willing to dispose inventory at less than cost, the liquidity situation is not going to improve any time soon. For survival of the firm, that is the bitter but right choice at this point in time. Getting stuck with inventory that isn't moving and with little to no working capital is a sure fire sign of a company about to go belly up.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
xxxxx
#1339 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2018 9:09:52 AM
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Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Another company that should be put under administration.


Is the whole company worth KShs 284m, More or Less? That is the big question.


You'll be shocked at how fast equity of Kshs N+1 billions can be whittled down to much much less than Ksh248M especially when a catalyst called debt exists in plenty. I'd have referred anyone else to @ARM but u No..coz you've been around a long time to see these thingsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
sparkly
#1340 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2018 3:46:36 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Another company that should be put under administration.


Is the whole company worth KShs 284m, More or Less? That is the big question.


You'll be shocked at how fast equity of Kshs N+1 billions can be whittled down to much much less than Ksh248M especially when a catalyst called debt exists in plenty. I'd have referred anyone else to @ARM but u No..coz you've been around a long time to see these thingsLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


I hear you and know that things can go wrong very quickly. HAL are in negative KShs 400m but I am betting on them to leverage their land bank to raise funds.
Life is short. Live passionately.
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