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obiero
#661 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:12:05 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
littledove wrote:
[quote=Horton]ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q[/quote]


most likely preparing the company for acquisition


Assets will be split and sold off to pay creditors

So ARM is dead as @vvs says?

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rwitre
#662 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:12:18 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
littledove wrote:
[quote=Horton]ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q[/quote]


most likely preparing the company for acquisition


Assets will be split and sold off to pay creditors


Creditors wamechoka kungoja. Poleni kwa walio ndani. Sad Sad
obiero
#663 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:17:59 PM
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rwitre wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
littledove wrote:
[quote=Horton]ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q[/quote]


most likely preparing the company for acquisition


Assets will be split and sold off to pay creditors


Creditors wamechoka kungoja. Poleni kwa walio ndani. Sad Sad

Is it that bad? Will the share price tank on opening Monday? @vvs please assist to understand the situation

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winmak
#664 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:37:41 PM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
littledove wrote:
[quote=Horton]ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q[/quote]


most likely preparing the company for acquisition


Assets will be split and sold off to pay creditors

So ARM is dead as @vvs says?

Page not found???
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littledove
#665 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:38:39 PM
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obiero wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
littledove wrote:
[quote=Horton]ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q[/quote]


most likely preparing the company for acquisition


Assets will be split and sold off to pay creditors


Creditors wamechoka kungoja. Poleni kwa walio ndani. Sad Sad

Is it that bad? Will the share price tank on opening Monday? @vvs please assist to understand the situation


most likely it will be suspended
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
wukan
#666 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:43:32 PM
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soko mjinga manenos...CMA once again fails investors. Wacha nikae real estate
omega
#667 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:51:39 PM
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littledove wrote:
obiero wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
littledove wrote:
[quote=Horton]ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q[/quote]


most likely preparing the company for acquisition


Assets will be split and sold off to pay creditors


Creditors wamechoka kungoja. Poleni kwa walio ndani. Sad Sad

Is it that bad? Will the share price tank on opening Monday? @vvs please assist to understand the situation


most likely it will be suspended


PwC administrators takes over debt-laden ARM Cement

mlennyma
#668 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:17:50 PM
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So why has the monkey been rallying?if Iam not mad many investors are mad or may be they read more than I do
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Ericsson
#669 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:24:09 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
So why has the monkey been rallying?if Iam not mad many investors are mad or may be they read more than I do


To fool people like vvs
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#670 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:38:45 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
So why has the monkey been rallying?if Iam not mad many investors are mad or may be they read more than I do


To fool people like vvs

The problem in this case is that @vvs is quite a sober man

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the deal
#671 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:40:43 PM
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obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
So why has the monkey been rallying?if Iam not mad many investors are mad or may be they read more than I do


To fool people like vvs

The problem in this case is that @vvs is quite a sober man

Pump and dump! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump
HaMaina
#672 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:58:06 PM
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the deal wrote:
obiero wrote:
Horton wrote:
ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q

Quite sad.. A stock fattening rally comes crumbling. It seemed like a dream. @fyatu gets hit again! PWC appointed as administrators of Kenya’s ARM Cement, PWC said in a statement on Saturday, days after ARM Cement’s chief executive officer said he was relinquishing his post but staying on its board.

This action that falls under Kenya’s Insolvency Act, was effective on Aug. 17.


@fyatu was warned lol...


People were played big time, majority thought arm was recovering while its the big fish who were offloading.
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
mlennyma
#673 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:04:59 PM
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HaMaina wrote:
the deal wrote:
obiero wrote:
Horton wrote:
ARM officially under administration 😞😞

https://uk.reuters.com/a...statement-idUKL5N1V903Q

Quite sad.. A stock fattening rally comes crumbling. It seemed like a dream. @fyatu gets hit again! PWC appointed as administrators of Kenya’s ARM Cement, PWC said in a statement on Saturday, days after ARM Cement’s chief executive officer said he was relinquishing his post but staying on its board.

This action that falls under Kenya’s Insolvency Act, was effective on Aug. 17.


@fyatu was warned lol...


People were played big time, majority thought arm was recovering while its the big fish who were offloading.

You can't be cautious until you lose
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
the deal
#674 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:39:30 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Eish............
Bishofu
#675 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:47:04 PM
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Arm is substantially competitive to weather the storm, streamlining is the solution here
Angelica _ann
#676 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 6:20:36 PM
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Those who bought after the fake changes must be feeling really awful.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
obiero
#677 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:20:21 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Those who bought after the fake changes must be feeling really awful.

What changes? Management? I feel that the share should be suspended for the sake of investors. KQ too should be suspended until management become honest with the minority shareholders

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obiero
#678 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:21:43 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
winmak wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
tweroff bob has printed. Next stop??


Trading in uncharted territory. Wait for it to settle before touching.


Do we go in?



At a very high risk. I learnt a valuable lesson from Atlas Africa industries that buying cheap is not buyin value.

Homeafrica comes to mind. @15 bob without info you would have thought it was a steal. Only to see sub bob come with full ompetus not to leave a bob. Its better to know someone trapped and with the know, has their stop loss blaring red like hell firestations and disperate to exit.

Never doubt your own guidance to self..

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obiero
#679 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:30:37 PM
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obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
cyruskulei wrote:
https://live.mystocks.co.ke/research/73+Is+ARM+Cement+a+buy+in+spite+of+the+premium+valuation


for the lazy folks>>>>


Is ARM Cement a buy in spite of the premium valuation?

By Rufus Mwanyasi (myStocks Contributors)
Comments
Tuesday, March 03, 2015 at 10:11 AM EAT

I think that the argument, “the stock price is too high relative to earnings, therefore it’s a bad investment can be faulty.” All too often, we give ourselves a pat on the back for setting up a system of criteria, screen to find stocks that match that criteria, and buy these kind of stocks. All too often, people say that they want a stock that has high growth prospects and is also extremely cheap. But all too often, I almost never find those kinds of investments. Plus, in the rare instance that something does, in fact, show up on a screen, there’s usually a caveat, a high-risk, for a very high reward. Sometimes the business is heavily cyclical, or in other cases, the growth rate was inflated due to an asset sale or some favorable tax treatment. In other words, I have found that in many instances, a criteria-driven investment model, where a high valuation translates into the stock being a bad investment, can be ineffective.

Latest victim of high valuation equals bad investment is ARM Cement

. The cement manufacturer, with a current price-to earnings (P/E) ratio of 32.7, is almost 10 times higher than its sectors P/E. With such a high ratio, usually criteria-driven models will automatically “vote-out” such high multiple stocks. I differ from this approach. To support my argument, I look at a closely related multiple: price-to-sales ratio (P/S ratio) to prove that ARM is still a valid purchase in spite of the premium valuation.

ARM’s Price to Earnings/Sales Ratio

As you can see from chart below, ARM's P/S ratio has fluctuated laterally over the last two years. It has range from a high of 3.91 in November 2013 to a low of 2.22 in January 2013. At the moment it is near the midpoint in the two-year range, being 3.07. As a result, I believe there is scope for it to move higher and recent momentum has shown that ARM’s P/S ratio has been showing an upward trend over the last two months. However, what impresses me about the trend is how stable (firm support at 2.78) it is relative to changes to its P/E ratio. Often stable, stable upward movements are a good indication that there has been a gradual change in market sentiment and, as such, we would expect to see ARM’s P/S ratio continue its upward movement over the short term.

Indeed, the two-year chart above shows that there is considerable scope for ARM’s ratio to move higher. That’s because it is currently 25% below its tow-year high of 3.91, which indicates that the counter could offer good value for money at current levels. Sure, the last year has seen the P/S ratio trade in a narrower range than in the previous year, but the recent up-turn shows there is scope for a higher valuation.

Conclusion

I believe that ARM represents good value for money at current price levels. That’s because its P/S ratio is at the midpoint of its one-year range and has been trending upwards over the last several months. The trend has been fairly stable, which indicates that it could continue and such, ARM could see share price strength. Therefore, I remain bullish on ARM’s prospects going forward.

And even with all that literature, the PPT could never protect ARM from a historical plunge. No share has ever fallen soo sharply in such a limited amount of time, at the NSE. Incase results are announced at any time now, noting CMA uplift of intra-day 10% +/- limits on material announcement, sub KES 1 will be automatic

Monday 20.08.2018. Blood on the NSE

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obiero
#680 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:34:15 PM
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xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully .

KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt


Even ARM is under UK government support.

You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps?


I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact.


It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of itShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Or Are you buying lots of it??Drool Drool


CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support.

Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government.
The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that.
Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ.
ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much.
KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc.

I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest.


Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free.

ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC.

In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms.

Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares.


Dilution is the name of the game. I suppose sometimes it works out fine..Look at Total - worked out very well. What I refuse to believe is that @ARM is dead which is the what all naysayers keep saying

Pole

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