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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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 I highly doubt it my broda, but I could be wrong. The problem with our local fundis is that no matter how good your design is, after they lay their hands on it it always ends up looking something like this;  i.e product of a diseased mind and cursed hands. #Sad
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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That's because many Kenyan clients kick out the architect and engineer after approvals, management during construction is crucial to getting the end results that's why you see very beautiful renders but very shoddy buildings, another thing is the client giving instructions directly to the contractor/ fundi which end up messing the building, limited budgets also kill many dreams,visit Vipingo ridge and see quality work, even Mombasa where clients left everything the architect. To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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kayhara wrote:That's because many Kenyan clients kick out the architect and engineer after approvals, management during construction is crucial to getting the end results that's why you see very beautiful renders but very shoddy buildings, another thing is the client giving instructions directly to the contractor/ fundi which end up messing the building, limited budgets also kill many dreams,visit Vipingo ridge and see quality work, even Mombasa where clients left everything the architect. I think also the level of training of fundis is wanting. Most people view mjengo jobs and skilled trades as those for dropouts and failures in life, hence the low levels of motivation and skills. Government needs to upgrade and standardise the training of these fundis in technical schools so that we get better quality buildings across the board. Some of these buildings are like tombs. If I lived in them I would probably be depressed whenever it was time to go home. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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It's possible... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,590
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Best local fundis are from huko Nyanza-they are very keen on details
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:I highly doubt it my broda, but I could be wrong. The problem with our local fundis is that no matter how good your design is, after they lay their hands on it it always ends up looking something like this; i.e product of a diseased mind and cursed hands. #Sad I believe with proper landscaping and lighting similar to photo 1, the second house isn't poorly designed or much less appealing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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obiero wrote:
I believe with proper landscaping and lighting similar to photo 1, the second house isn't poorly designed or much less appealing
Uwongo mtupu my broda  How now? Look at the tumi-misshapen arches, terribly sharp corners and lack of symmetry. Haiwezimek kabisa kabisa no matter how good the landscaping. Let's be honest, if both were being sold for the same price we all know which one would sell faster.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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kayhara wrote:That's because many Kenyan clients kick out the architect and engineer after approvals, management during construction is crucial to getting the end results that's why you see very beautiful renders but very shoddy buildings, another thing is the client giving instructions directly to the contractor/ fundi which end up messing the building, limited budgets also kill many dreams,visit Vipingo ridge and see quality work, even Mombasa where clients left everything the architect. Boss, there is very little information online about Vipingo Ridge? how much does an acre go for, or do they sell minimum ten acres? :) Do they have amenities like Hospitals, ama one has to go all the way to mombasa? Will appreciate if you share some information if you can. Thanks in advance
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Fullykenyan wrote:kayhara wrote:That's because many Kenyan clients kick out the architect and engineer after approvals, management during construction is crucial to getting the end results that's why you see very beautiful renders but very shoddy buildings, another thing is the client giving instructions directly to the contractor/ fundi which end up messing the building, limited budgets also kill many dreams,visit Vipingo ridge and see quality work, even Mombasa where clients left everything the architect. Boss, there is very little information online about Vipingo Ridge? how much does an acre go for, or do they sell minimum ten acres? :) Do they have amenities like Hospitals, ama one has to go all the way to mombasa? Will appreciate if you share some information if you can. Thanks in advance Minimum is quarter acre , last time i went there they were selling some for 13 million much lower as you enter,they also have some nice houses, but I wouldn't advise anyone to buy in Vipingo standing charge is has been lowered to 48,000/- only, if you can afford well and good, but the fundis doing houses there are just local fundis with serious supervision you get quality work, and kenyan clients don't be afraid to bomoa if you feel a better job can be done somewhere, sometimes what looks good on paper end up looking bad when built, especially toilets most people just say it's okay ishanjengwa . To Each His Own
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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MugundaMan wrote:obiero wrote:
I believe with proper landscaping and lighting similar to photo 1, the second house isn't poorly designed or much less appealing
Uwongo mtupu my broda How now? Look at the tumi-misshapen arches, terribly sharp corners and lack of symmetry. Haiwezimek kabisa kabisa no matter how good the landscaping. Let's be honest, if both were being sold for the same price we all know which one would sell faster. @obiero is right. We are very poor when it comes to landscaping. For some landscaping means filling the whole compound with cabro, and then they complain about the lack of greenery in the city.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:I highly doubt it my broda, but I could be wrong. The problem with our local fundis is that no matter how good your design is, after they lay their hands on it it always ends up looking something like this; i.e product of a diseased mind and cursed hands. #Sad You are comparing a completed house to one that is still under construction Now fair.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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chiaroscuro wrote:
You are comparing a completed house to one that is still under construction
Now fair.
I think I know your style (below) kindogo kindogo kiasi kiasi. Sindio? 
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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MugundaMan wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:
You are comparing a completed house to one that is still under construction
Now fair.
I think I know your style (below) kindogo kindogo kiasi kiasi. Sindio? Is that a storey toilet? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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chiaroscuro wrote:MugundaMan wrote:I highly doubt it my broda, but I could be wrong. The problem with our local fundis is that no matter how good your design is, after they lay their hands on it it always ends up looking something like this; i.e product of a diseased mind and cursed hands. #Sad You are comparing a completed house to one that is still under construction Now NOT fair. I concur too, I also believe that @ mugundaman did shoplift a drawing from some place and supervised himself. What symetry is that which asymetrically I can not see that is aggrieving this wazuan. I did that complete unit and am not in @mugundaman payroll, who is this gentleman consulting with๐ ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,211 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Nope. Cutting edge architecture that someone probably paid 10 metre+ for 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:Nope. Cutting edge architecture that someone probably paid 10 metre+ for 10m...Hiyo ni pesa ya corruption possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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maka wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Nope. Cutting edge architecture that someone probably paid 10 metre+ for 10m...Hiyo ni pesa ya corruption Or somebody offloaded a heavy weight. ๐ค ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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There's a level of workmanship that the Kenyan fundi can't attain under present circumstances. Reason being that fundi has no moral principle enshrined in his practice.
Masons and technical personnel used to be part of guilds, and these guilds had deeper ethical structures that the further back in history we find them as the elite of a society(there may have been a detour from ancient Egypt towards the Mediterranean and away from most of the African mainland). But even when we look at the traditional African architecture we find ontology and ethic being woven into resultant structures.
But with colonization, architecture lost most of its authenticity. Masons became the less educated and cared for members of our society. And then we go all the way down.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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How do you expect our fundis to do great jobs yet you don't give then space to breathe or hata kujikuna? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,516 Location: nairobi
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muandiwambeu wrote:maka wrote:MugundaMan wrote:Nope. Cutting edge architecture that someone probably paid 10 metre+ for 10m...Hiyo ni pesa ya corruption Or somebody offloaded a heavy weight. ๐ค Someone built a house and lives in it.. Cha muhimu ni uhai
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