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Realtreaty
#1 Posted : Sunday, July 29, 2018 5:23:28 PM
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While our leaders look at the Chinese faces, the Chinese themselves look at our brains!!!!!!

The easiest way to hoodwink an African by other world is to blackmail their leaders.
Our leaders feed large and well and forget their intention.
This is one reason our economy went to Indians during Moi Era and same was killed by Kibaki but given to Chinese whom Uhuru inherited.
The first blackmail is Mama Lucy Kibaki hospital by Chinese done free as a blackmail that we will pay for at the end.

Now we have the Somali and Arabs traders flooding the country with everything from Alibaba, brazil beet and corn sugar that most are sneaked without paying taxes
Remember corn sugar is a precursor for cancer due to high Aspertum levels

To reverse this Kenyan systems must ensure import duties are paid to balance trade and keep its human resource busy developing its own country
Realtreaty
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:18:19 PM
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d'oh! d'oh!
Any average Kenyan House has 85% products of China.
I think only the mud, stone and wood on the building are local. Everything else even the toilet handle is from China
So count what you have and gauge how rich China is not you!!!Sad Sad Sad
We now have shippers to Africa originating from China and even if from Middle East the products are just a diversion and comes from China.

Kenya need to develop our sea area to encourage docking, war games being brought to Kenyan harbor

More International Hotels need to open with top security at the port city of Mombasa.

China may use our ports to import everything from China which at the end pays themselves as they operate everything under BOT
wukan
#3 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 11:31:35 AM
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African leaders haven't changed. Back in the colonial days they sold out their people for shiny mirrors and trinkets. Today they leverage their populations for shiny airports and railway stations. If african leaders chose to sign those hefty loans, don't blame the chinese-they didn't put a gun to someone's head to sign the loan. If you take on debt then your productivity must be able to meet the repayment terms. If you don't then you must accept economic invasion. The economy must re-set to displace the former owners of capital.


wukan
#4 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 11:43:57 AM
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Francis Galton, letter to the Editor of The Times, June 5 1873.

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My proposal is to make the encouragement of the Chinese settlements at one or more suitable places on the East Coast of Africa a par of our national policy, in the belief that the Chinese immigrants would not only maintain their position, but that they would multiply and their descendants supplant the inferior Negro race. I should expect the large part of the African seaboard, now sparsely occupied by lazy, palavering savages living under the nominal sovereignty of the Zanzibar, or Portugal, might in a few years be tenanted by industrious, order loving Chinese, living either as a semi-detached dependency of China, or else in perfect freedom under their own law.


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The history of the world tells a tale of the continual displacement of populations, each by a worthier successor, and humanity gains thereby....The Chinese have a land hunger, as well as a love for petty traffic, and they would find a field in which to gratify both of these tastes on the East African Coast. There are many Chinese capitalists resident in foreign parts who might speculate in such a system and warmly encourage it. If once successfully started, it ought to maintain itself. The colonist could not starve; and when they began to succeed they would send money to their relatives to enable them to follow, just as they now do from the many other parts of the world where they are located. For these reasons it is probable that the streams of emigration from China have sufficient "head" to enable them to reach and overflow the coasts of Eastern Africa if they were watched and judiciously diverted in that direction.


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aemathenge
#5 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 1:01:33 PM
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wukan wrote:
Francis Galton, letter to the Editor of The Times, June 5 1873.

Quote:
My proposal is to make the encouragement of the Chinese settlements at one or more suitable places on the East Coast of Africa a par of our national policy, in the belief that the Chinese immigrants would not only maintain their position, but that they would multiply and their descendants supplant the inferior Negro race. I should expect the large part of the African seaboard, now sparsely occupied by lazy, palavering savages living under the nominal sovereignty of the Zanzibar, or Portugal, might in a few years be tenanted by industrious, order loving Chinese, living either as a semi-detached dependency of China, or else in perfect freedom under their own law.


Quote:
The history of the world tells a tale of the continual displacement of populations, each by a worthier successor, and humanity gains thereby....The Chinese have a land hunger, as well as a love for petty traffic, and they would find a field in which to gratify both of these tastes on the East African Coast. There are many Chinese capitalists resident in foreign parts who might speculate in such a system and warmly encourage it. If once successfully started, it ought to maintain itself. The colonist could not starve; and when they began to succeed they would send money to their relatives to enable them to follow, just as they now do from the many other parts of the world where they are located. For these reasons it is probable that the streams of emigration from China have sufficient "head" to enable them to reach and overflow the coasts of Eastern Africa if they were watched and judiciously diverted in that direction.


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1873, abai !!
wukan
#6 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 1:16:33 PM
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The battle for heart of Nairobi petty trade rages on

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“This is a constituent of traders that the President has asked us to handle very carefully and he is expecting an assurance that we have resolved the issue,” Mr Waita said.

KRA announced that it had introduced a regime of pre-shipment verification for consolidated goods that will, for instance, see goods consolidated in Guangzhou deal with quality benchmarks at the source before the cost of shipping is incurred.”

Mr Waita further told traders that government had started a crackdown on foreigners who are posing competition to locals by running small businesses after applying for licences to run big corporations.


https://www.businessdail...212-15jb9nuz/index.html

For those who don't know what the battle is all about. Consolidators are the somali/Arab traders(they take small goods from different traders put it in one container). The Chinese are the producers and now want to be distributors/retailers. Kikuyus who displaced the Indian traders and are now feeling heat of competition being pushed out of retail trade and run out of CBD by Chinese, Somali and Kisii.

Me thinks let fair competition prevail whoever is more business savvy should succeed...I love downtown biashara battlessmile smile Mbeca ni mbeca

hardwood
#7 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 1:22:22 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
wukan wrote:
Francis Galton, letter to the Editor of The Times, June 5 1873.

Quote:
My proposal is to make the encouragement of the Chinese settlements at one or more suitable places on the East Coast of Africa a par of our national policy, in the belief that the Chinese immigrants would not only maintain their position, but that they would multiply and their descendants supplant the inferior Negro race. I should expect the large part of the African seaboard, now sparsely occupied by lazy, palavering savages living under the nominal sovereignty of the Zanzibar, or Portugal, might in a few years be tenanted by industrious, order loving Chinese, living either as a semi-detached dependency of China, or else in perfect freedom under their own law.


Quote:
The history of the world tells a tale of the continual displacement of populations, each by a worthier successor, and humanity gains thereby....The Chinese have a land hunger, as well as a love for petty traffic, and they would find a field in which to gratify both of these tastes on the East African Coast. There are many Chinese capitalists resident in foreign parts who might speculate in such a system and warmly encourage it. If once successfully started, it ought to maintain itself. The colonist could not starve; and when they began to succeed they would send money to their relatives to enable them to follow, just as they now do from the many other parts of the world where they are located. For these reasons it is probable that the streams of emigration from China have sufficient "head" to enable them to reach and overflow the coasts of Eastern Africa if they were watched and judiciously diverted in that direction.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


1873, abai !!


That's the same strategy that was used in Singapore and now chinese constitute about 75% of the population. NB Singapore used to be part of Malaysia, something like the "Mombasa island" of Malaysia and the original Malaysians were colonized/displaced by the chinese.
hardwood
#8 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 1:33:33 PM
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wukan wrote:
The battle for heart of Nairobi petty trade rages on

Quote:
“This is a constituent of traders that the President has asked us to handle very carefully and he is expecting an assurance that we have resolved the issue,” Mr Waita said.

KRA announced that it had introduced a regime of pre-shipment verification for consolidated goods that will, for instance, see goods consolidated in Guangzhou deal with quality benchmarks at the source before the cost of shipping is incurred.”

Mr Waita further told traders that government had started a crackdown on foreigners who are posing competition to locals by running small businesses after applying for licences to run big corporations.


https://www.businessdail...212-15jb9nuz/index.html

For those who don't know what the battle is all about. Consolidators are the somali/Arab traders(they take small goods from different traders put it in one container). The Chinese are the producers and now want to be distributors/retailers. Kikuyus who displaced the Indian traders and are now feeling heat of competition being pushed out of retail trade and run out of CBD by Chinese, Somali and Kisii.

Me thinks let fair competition prevail whoever is more business savvy should succeed...I love downtown biashara battlessmile smile Mbeca ni mbeca



Kenyans are very selfish. When they go to foreign they are happy to run small businesses. But when foreigners do the same here, they complain.

Many have also been bragging about going to china, dubai, turkey etc to bring "mizigo" and they have been making lots of profit at the expense of kenyans. Let kenyans enjoy the discounts offered by the chinese who bring mizigo from home. I am happy that japanese used car exporters are opening offices locally so as to make vehicles cheaper for customers. Hope the used car importers (traders) won't also start complaining.
tycho
#9 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 1:46:46 PM
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If there's such a thing as fair competition in contemporary economics, then there'd be zero or near zero trade wars, and immigration would be less contentious than it is now.

So far, competitiveness is about forcing markets and populations to behave in certain ways.
hardwood
#10 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 2:05:46 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
d'oh! d'oh!
Any average Kenyan House has 85% products of China.
I think only the mud, stone and wood on the building are local. Everything else even the toilet handle is from China
So count what you have and gauge how rich China is not you!!!Sad Sad Sad


Some time back everything was Made in England. From cooking stoves, lamps, radios, jembes, spoons to toilets. Even the vehicles on the road - land rovers, leyland buses, cars, bicycles etc. Things have changed since then. Global manufacturing has moved from the west to the east. At least the chinese offer better prices than the british.

NB. We are not alone. Even in the west they are complaining that lots of goods in their shop shelves are made in china....including the iphone.
simonkabz
#11 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 3:19:36 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
d'oh! d'oh!
Any average Kenyan House has 85% products of China.
I think only the mud, stone and wood on the building are local. Everything else even the toilet handle is from China
So count what you have and gauge how rich China is not you!!!Sad Sad Sad


Some time back everything was Made in England. From cooking stoves, lamps, radios, jembes, spoons to toilets. Even the vehicles on the road - land rovers, leyland buses, cars, bicycles etc. Things have changed since then. Global manufacturing has moved from the west to the east. At least the chinese offer better prices than the british.

NB. We are not alone. Even in the west they are complaining that lots of goods in their shop shelves are made in china....including the iphone.


Visit Walmart and realize like 70% of the merchandise therein is Chinese. Apana cheza na mchinku. He has screwed American factories and industries big time.

Indeed, China is the World's factory, and it's NUMBER ONE market is.........the USA!!! Who are we to complain?

The only difference is that China religiously protects those western markets and cannot stand any manufacturer messing up with them. You export some low quality, fake or dangerous product to the US or Europe ata unaweza nyongwa. The products are of very high quality.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Realtreaty
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2018 9:39:12 PM
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As I NOTED earlier we can repay for SGR from Chinese import taxes still.

If China import is linked to SGR we do not need to tax Kenyans to repay the loan but to use the import duty correspondingly to earn money from imports to build and maintain the SGR and other projects.

That means "China must buy our Market as we buy their Technology"smile

https://www.businessdailyafrica....11162-ymfxglz/index.html
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