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Kenya Economy Watch
wukan
#1641 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2018 2:53:19 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Convert KES holding in USD...because CBK may not be able to defend once default looms.


There will be no default;Gok has began cost cutting measures,freeze in projects and raising taxes to repay the debt.
You heard last week no starting new projects before completion of the existing ones.


The International Martha F... were around Nairobi for assessment and they left without releasing the usual public statement told GoK to read and comment (balls were squeezed). These Martha Fs are no joke, next time they will just break GoK knee caps. They went to Haiti demanded end of fuel subsidies and praised the govt for cutting fuel subsidies. Long story short the Haitian govt collapsed and went home after violent street protests. Same thing in Jordan.
VituVingiSana
#1642 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:38:59 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
That robinhood tax is an IMF tax, preparing us for debt default. Mark this post.


If we default even on one single payment that will be the end of this country...


Reminds me of Cyprus when they taxed bank deposits for "one time only"
In Kenya, this "haircut" could be applied to:
- Bank deposits
- T-Bills/Bonds
- Higher corporate tax
- Additional taxes on dividends

No matter how one looks at it, we will be effed.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guka
#1643 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:47:38 AM
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How are folks preparing when sh*t hits the fan? I foresee a very shaky next one year.
KulaRaha
#1644 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:12:30 AM
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KES will get hit, no matter how much CBK defends.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
lochaz-index
#1645 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:39:38 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Convert KES holding in USD...because CBK may not be able to defend once default looms.


There will be no default;Gok has began cost cutting measures,freeze in projects and raising taxes to repay the debt.
You heard last week no starting new projects before completion of the existing ones.

Freezing of projects is just but the start of what will be a long, arduous and acrimonious journey. Even some of the ones that had already commenced will stall as is already happening. Remember it is the IMF calling the shots not GoK. For now thank the heavens KES has remained stable.

Next comes increased taxation...that is when the rubber will meet the road aka public anger and protests. Alot of political capital(heads) will have to be spent or sacrificed to appease the enraged masses - think in lines of the corruption hullabaloo engulfing the country - just to steady the political ship.

Not only has public spending been less than prudent, both current and future opex + capex don't appear to be funnelled to enhance KE's repayment capabilities. Some are a complete waste.

KES losing ground vs the dollar adds strenuous weight on the debt burden and most importantly worsens the debt service ratio which makes repayment of interest and principal sums due almost impossible.

Depending on the debt holder various options exist none of which is exactly palatable:

1. Default then blacklisting quickly follows. The resultant interest rates will make the pre-cap interest rates look like free money.

2. Cede strategic assets, which is something China is particularly fond of.

3. Restructurings and haircuts aka soft defaults which implies KE econ will be in a slump for a long time.

4. Inflation finance.

5. A fortuitous forfeiture by some creditors - not sure exactly who this might be and is very unlikely.

For a sneak peek into the future, have look at what is happening to MENA countries(take your pick of the lot) or even Haiti.

FYI politics had nothing to do with last year's economic slowdown.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
KulaRaha
#1646 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:33:39 PM
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China never forfeits, never.

they hold 67% of of our foreign debt (maybe more).

Heads will roll to pretend they are trying to clean up...
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
tom_boy
#1647 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:59:13 PM
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How best can an individual hedge against run off inflation? I am wondering if a home safe is really a good idea. Quite risky as the help will tell the watchman who will then bring some thugs. How about a bank safe deposit box stashed with usd and euro? How does one buy bitcoins?
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
KulaRaha
#1648 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:21:09 PM
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cash USD like guys did in 92/93. Then convert up there and into GoK paper which will be at crazy rates.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Fyatu
#1649 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:31:00 PM
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With the impending doom, what will happen to the monkeys i hold at the NSE? Will i be left holding feathers ama what?
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ericsson
#1650 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:39:10 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
With the impending doom, what will happen to the monkeys i hold at the NSE? Will i be left holding feathers ama what?


Nothing will happen,the kenyan economy will remain strong.
The kenyan currency has been the best performing this year in SSA
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Fyatu
#1651 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:14:54 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
With the impending doom, what will happen to the monkeys i hold at the NSE? Will i be left holding feathers ama what?


Nothing will happen,the kenyan economy will remain strong.
The kenyan currency has been the best performing this year in SSA


Thanks. This bear(2015-today) has really eroded my portfolio. The last time i saw a turnaround was after nane nane but the high sparrow Maraga and his landmark ruling halted the mini rally. Sasa ni maombi tu that H1 2018 results might awaken the sleeping bull.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ericsson
#1652 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16:36 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
With the impending doom, what will happen to the monkeys i hold at the NSE? Will i be left holding feathers ama what?


Nothing will happen,the kenyan economy will remain strong.
The kenyan currency has been the best performing this year in SSA


Thanks. This bear(2015-today) has really eroded my portfolio. The last time i saw a turnaround was after nane nane but the high sparrow Maraga and his landmark ruling halted the mini rally. Sasa ni maombi tu that H1 2018 results might awaken the sleeping bull.


Proper rally of a lifetime wait till 2020
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Angelica _ann
#1653 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:22:12 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
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Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
With the impending doom, what will happen to the monkeys i hold at the NSE? Will i be left holding feathers ama what?


Nothing will happen,the kenyan economy will remain strong.
The kenyan currency has been the best performing this year in SSA


Thanks. This bear(2015-today) has really eroded my portfolio. The last time i saw a turnaround was after nane nane but the high sparrow Maraga and his landmark ruling halted the mini rally. Sasa ni maombi tu that H1 2018 results might awaken the sleeping bull.


Proper rally of a lifetime wait till 2020


Maraga Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly All these are as a result of #Jubilee and their gluttony!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ericsson
#1654 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2018 7:04:53 AM
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https://www.businessdail...3264-a6ni34z/index.html

Kenya should take majority ownership/become top shareholder of this institution
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
rwitre
#1655 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:15:26 AM
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Mbona hamnunui shares

"This is the lowest monthly turnover since October last year when the Presidential poll rerun affected economic activity across the country."

Sad
wukan
#1656 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 11:05:23 AM
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rwitre wrote:
Mbona hamnunui shares

"This is the lowest monthly turnover since October last year when the Presidential poll rerun affected economic activity across the country."

Sad


NSE has too many soko mjinga manenos...you buy mangoes only to find they were boiled, you buy cereals full of weevils, you buy a goat full of worms. After that you stop going to soko mjingasmile smile
littledove
#1657 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 11:09:52 AM
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rwitre wrote:
Mbona hamnunui shares

"This is the lowest monthly turnover since October last year when the Presidential poll rerun affected economic activity across the country."

Sad

investors fatigue, sellers have given up, buyers are waiting for more discounts
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
Swenani
#1658 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 3:54:57 PM
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IOUN, naskia people have been advised to be extra cautious with Dubai.Rumour has it that it will start going faster kuliko ngotha za Martin Khafafa upon seeing two chics
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Angelica _ann
#1659 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 4:11:33 PM
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Swenani wrote:
IOUN, naskia people have been advised to be extra cautious with Dubai.Rumour has it that it will start going faster kuliko ngotha za Martin Khafafa upon seeing two chics


Papanua & peel the mask - further!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Swenani
#1660 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 4:55:18 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Swenani wrote:
IOUN, naskia people have been advised to be extra cautious with Dubai.Rumour has it that it will start going faster kuliko ngotha za Martin Khafafa upon seeing two chics


Panua & peel the skirt - further!!!


What happened to google? anyhoo, here we go
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The financial structure is connected to its economic structure in the strangest manner, a phenomenon not found in many cities of the world. The phenomenon of “I OWE YOU and will pay you later”.

And this comes in the form of a “Post Dated Cheque”. Nobody asks you before gladly receiving that cheque from you, what would happen 8 months from today if your business has collapsed or sees a cash crunch.


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Your cheques are mostly to other businessmen who write cheques to their creditors based on your postdated cheques. I owe you on top of I owe you multiplied by the umpteenth factor.


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Abraaj Capital had a $48 million dollar cheque bounce two weeks ago.

You think that’s was a big cheque. Wait till you read this. From January 2018 to the end of May 2018, 26 billion dirhams worth of cheques have been bounced. 1.2 million cheques in total. Or 39.3% of the total number of cheques issued in 2017 which were to come due in 2018. They came due and they bounced. 39.3% is not an amount to be taken lightly, neither is the number of checks that is 1.2 million nor the amount of 26 billion dirhams, that’s $7 billion dollars in just 6 months of 2018. In the coming months of 2018 from July to December this can become the trigger for a disaster in the making to be dealt by the authorities with no recourse. And the reason I said no recourse is because you need to see by researching other related clues in order to establish if the people who have written the cheques are still in Dubai or most of them have fled the city.

You need to look at two things if you want to do related research to establish the above point if the people have fled Dubai or not. First, if their phones connections are cancelled. And Second, if they have fled with their families. Best thing to look at to see the second part is to see as to how many children have been withdrawn from their schools. Let’s look at the biggest phone carrier of Dubai, Etisalat and its data. 32,000 phone connections were cancelled between March and April of 2018. Just in 38 days in total. 28,000 children were withdrawn from schools without registering themselves for the end of summer sessions. Meaning those families do not plan to come back.

I wish it ended here. I wish the signs were not as obvious. But they are. Dubai property that used to be sold at 2300 dirhams per square foot is selling at less than 600 dirhams per square foot. Or in simple words, it’s selling at 25% of its value.

Gold Souk has empty stores for the first time in 35 years. You could not find a single empty store to rent or buy earlier. Arabian Center, Sunset Mall and Al Ghurair have stores shutting down every week. Emirates Towers with the most chic restaurants is witnessing a closure upon closure of restaurants. Hotels have cut their average price to 30% of what they used to charge and last month alone 18 hotels shut down including Savoy, Ramada, Richmond, Crest, Jarmond and the list goes on. Lamcy plaza, one of the busiest malls had a fire and was supposed to be opened in August 2017 and it’s still closed down. Bur Juman and Wafi Mall have the highest vacancy rates of shops. The list can go on and on and I can pen down more signs of an economic meltdown than you can read.

Abraaj Capitals’ collapse is a nail in the financial system coffin of Dubai. The biggest confidence eroding incident ever to have taken place in the history of Dubai’s financial system.

The point is not to sit and laugh at what has happened. That is cruel and arrogant. Livelihoods have been lost and families have been ruined. The point is for other counties in the GCC to stop this postdated cheque based economic model immediately before they face the same fate. And for the businessmen the lesson is to develop a sustainable business model where your freedom is not hinged upon one bounced cheque. Because anybody’s cheques can bounce unintentionally and based on unforeseen circumstances. With the OECD restrictions, Anti-Money Laundering initiatives around the world. FATF watching. Counter Terrorism financing watchdogs sifting through every transaction. The biggest appeal of Dubai will be dead as well. The appeal of having unquestioned transactions for the world’s corruptly earned funds.

This is a bad cycle that Dubai is going through and in my humble opinion we have yet to see its bottom. What is happening right now is only a glimpse of what is yet to come. With media censorship and controlled release of any and all news, you will not even hear these stories in Dubai. Unless you want to be a journalist who loves jail food..


If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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